George F. Will: Weighing in on the price of moral grandstanding

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  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    ...and let's say Obama raises the debt from $8 trillion to $16 trillion. In relative terms they are the same. - Tekakaromatagi

    1st, George W. Bush left the national debt at $10 trillion dollars. So your figures are off by..

    $2 trillion dollars.

    2nd, the fault of Republican arguments about Obama and the debt is that if Obama added ONE dollar to the debt...

    it would, technically, be 'more' debt than any other President.

    I guess we are ignoring the fact that Bush did not end his wars in Iraq and Afgahnistan. And that Bush did not budget them, so we have to pay them retroactively after he left office. Right?

    So, to be ON PAR with Republican spending Obama wold have to put the national debt at $20 or $30 trillion dollars.

    Has he?


    So, if my motivation in any upcoming eletions is the budget, why would I vote Republican?

    When they double and triple the debt....

    and Democratic Presidents, do not?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Feb. 4, 2013 7:54 a.m.


    You are correct on one thing. Bush was a disaster and Obama will bean equally big disaster, if not worse. Obama was supposed to be the liberal alternative to Bush and he isn't and now we have nothing. (I am so thankful that I voted for Nader in 2004).

    You are looking at relative debt. Yes, Bush raised the debt from $4 trillion to $8 trillion and let's say Obama raises the debt from $8 trillion to $16 trillion. In relative terms they are the same. But in absolute terms Bush raised $4 trillion and Obama will raise $8 trillion. So he raised it twice as much.

    If you don't believe me do a little exercise. Get a credit card with a $100,000 limit. Go and buy a hamburger on the credit card. Your debt has gone from $0 to $4.56. It has gone up infinity times, even more than the Gipper but that is OK. No problem. Go buy a big screen TV. $2000. A 500 x increase. So far, so good. Now go and max out the card. That only a 50x times increase.

    Which purchase will kill your finances?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    Politics becomes amusing when liberalism becomes theatrical with high-minded gestures. - Article

    This is a joke, right?

    Obama raises the debt ceiling, x4 times.

    W. Bush, x7 times.

    Ronald Regan, x18 times.

    Obama, has not doubled or tripled the national debt.

    W. Bush, doubled the national debt.

    Ronald Regan, tripled the debt.

    And yet today, the Republican House refuses to pass legislation citing financial concerns about the debt. Passing only 3% of it's legislation in the last 4 years, and getting paid $175,000 a year, per person, to do so.

    There is a REASON the Republican House has only a 10% approval rating.

    Because they claim others are 'moral grandstanding'...

    while they hope our President 'fails', and work to ensure they put their political party, before the needs of our country.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    I used to read and heed Mr. Will. But he was unfortunately swept up in the rightward drift of the GOP toward polar extremes.

    I had hoped he would have had better sense than to allow himself to slip to the edges of sanity.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    For a moment I thought that, based on the headlines, perhaps Mr. Will was going to observe all the right wing moral grandstanding in state legislatures and their "message" bills, what a waste of time and taxpayer dollars they are, and how poorly that grandstanding reflects on modern conservatism.

    But no - just same crotchety whining about liberals.