Sale of public lands

Return To Article
Add a comment
  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 1, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    Dwayne... your land? Really? And by what process did that land become your own? Does the money you spend say United States of America - or State of Deseret? I think you are a bit confused here. Utah is part of the United States of America. It was admitted to the Union as a State by arrangement crafted and signed by Utahns. No one captured, took by force, lands that were as you call it, your own.

    Your attempt to say that Utah citizens are dying and sacrificing disproportionally to tyrant states, Utah has contributed the least of any other state and suffered the least cost of lives other than Connecticut - period. Look the numbers up. Additionally, not a single Utahn fought in the Mexican wars. They were on their way, but never made it to combat.

    But that isn't the point. Utah choose the conditions of its membership. It is sad that there are those who now think it unfair that they actually have to live by those commitments. If you want the federal land - buy it. Talk about a group of takers - I think we've found the 47% crowd.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    dwayne: "If you wont let us have lands in our states that Utahans are risking their lives to protect its because you are tyrants."

    At last someone has finally identified the tyrants that we have been stockpiling our weapons to fight. Turns out they are in North Carolina. Not one to let a little punctiation stand in the way of expressing a concise thought (how Faulkneresque!), the sage of Provo surveys federalism and finds it deficient.

    Utahns object to non-Utahns, acting through the constitutional entity of Congress, having a say in what happens in Utah, but don't seem to mind imposing their will on other states. The Utah delegataion routinely votes against things other states want. That's just how things work in this country.

    By the way, Utah is a net importer of federal tax dollars. We receive more in federal largesse than we pay in taxes. In general, the blue states are net tax exporters and the red states are net importers (ahem, takers). It would behoove Utah to learn to get along with the other states, especially the blue ones, lest they decide to take their toys and go home.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    If we are going to sell the land belonging to the American citizens, we should open up the bidding to all nations, corporations, individuals and groups. I think China would pay a much better price than the locals.

  • Demo Dave Holladay, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Stegner was a visionary who understood the consequences of too many people living in a desert, and taking more from the land than the land can give. Utah has a pathetic record as a steward of our state lands. God forbid they should get their hands on our federal lands.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    Just watch the yearly shenanigans up at the capital for the only reason necessary for opposition to Utah taking control of Federal lands. The land is better served by being protected for all than some private mismanagement.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 1, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    The idea that the state of Utah should be handed the keys to lands they didn't win or own, and let Utah only profit from these sales, shows a real lack of understanding of the history of the Utah Territories... and the ensuing path to statehood. These lands never belonged to the state of Utah - they have been federally owned lands since The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed on February 2, 1848.

    Can we (as a nation) do a better job managing these lands... probably. You can say that just about anything. Should there be more local influence, I would argue yes to that as well. Should these lands that were fought for and won with federal lives and dollars be just handed over to Utah so that the state can garage sale them to the highest bidder... I don't think so.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Unfortunately, Curmudgeon, you are absolutely correct in your last sentence.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    The federal government doesn't have the funds to manage the lands they have. Why not turn some back over to the states, and sell some? Income from sales, and less outlay to manage; it would help with the budget and deficit issues.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 5:31 a.m.

    What gripes me is that the legislature is wasting scarce and precious taxpayer dollars--my dollars--tilting at this windmill, when the money could go toward something useful, like education. Specifically, education of the legislators on the folly of this misadventure. But maybe they are incapable of even this rudimentary lesson.