Evangelical churches refine message on gay issues

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  • tgurd Gonzales, LA
    Feb. 5, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    In regards to comments, I believe to love the sinner and abhor the sin. If you believe the Bible is the word of God then its quite clear on the case of homosexuals. I for one do not believe anyone is born homosexual, I believe its taught in various ways and after awhile it becomes a choice of the person. Everything we do is a choice, yes we can excuse wrongs, make them appear as though they are correct, look for others to back our wrongs ( and many will) however in the end we know. I believe that if homosexuals are willing to refrain from that which they do they should be welcomed in any organization, however if they choose not to then as was stated go to that place that will accept your behavior. Heavenly Father loves all of us because we are his, how ever just like earthly parents he doesn't have to love that which we do. Gods Love is unconditional as should ours be, however to condone the behavior of homosexuals is not part of the love of the person. If you desire to change it can be done, get help.

  • brokenclay Chandler, AZ
    Feb. 5, 2013 1:12 p.m.

    Search on the government site pubmed for the article, "Associations of sexual identity or same-sex behaviors with history of childhood sexual abuse and HIV/STI risk in the United States."

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Feb. 2, 2013 3:53 p.m.


    First, you make an assumption that acting on homosexual feelings is wrong. I would agree with you if it were a straight person having gay relations. As it were though, you're applying your own biases to others.

    Second, I'd provide references to the studies you cite. Not one single gay that I know personally was "sexually abused" as a child, and, being gay myself, I happen to know a fair number of gays.

  • brokenclay Chandler, AZ
    Feb. 2, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    False dilemma, Ranch.

    If alcoholism has a genetic component, would that excuse the abuse and other destructive behavior engendered by it? Certainly not-- that individual must still be held accountable for his actions.

    Many homosexuals were victims of some trauma or abuse as children (especially sexual abuse). Some new studies indicate that somewhere between a fifth and a fourth of homosexuals were sexually abused. Certainly this victimization needs to be dealt with with a great deal of compassion and patience. There is hope.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Feb. 1, 2013 9:34 p.m.

    @chris b

    Thanks for the hit and run , nice to know we can still have civil discourse.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    It doesn't matter how much you change your tune, you're still preaching discrimination and that means that you won't have the fellowship of those of us who are gay. - RanchHand.

    I agree.

    The only reason for the change in 'tone' is because of examples like the Westboro Baptists', who made famous the signs that read, in part: 'God Hates...'

    What has changed? Nothing. There is still zero tolerance for gay Americans in majority religions that claim they are based on love and understanding.

    'Boy, 15, reprimanded for backing traditional family in school paper' - By Joshua Bolding, Deseret News - 01/27/12

    'He (Wegner) also quoted scriptures like Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to DEATH...' – article

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 9:11 p.m.


    Assuming of course, that your god is the only god and his word is the last word. I, personally, couldn't care less what your god wants. You believe in him, so you obey him and leave everybody else alone (i.e., mind your own business).

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 7:10 p.m.

    It doesn't matter how much you change your tune, you're still preaching discrimination and that means that you won't have the fellowship of those of us who are gay. There are plenty of churches out there, both Christian and non-Christian who accept us just as we are. They're the churches who'll benefit from our memberships.

    If you accept the possibility that there's a genetic component to homosexuality, then you have to ask yourself: "Why did God create gays?" If God is our creator, and we are gay genetically, then he must have a reason. You don't understand that reason, but is that good enough to continue the bigotry?

    Either God created us and wants us to be gay, or we choose to be gay (unlikely). I don't recall ever having made any such choice; I've just always been different than my male friends growing up. Which is it guys? God made us and wants us to be us or God made a mistake.

  • jttheawesome Scranton, PA
    Jan. 31, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    Generally speaking, I concur with Pastor Jeffree's attempts to minister to homosexuals, and doing so without compromising his biblical values. It is indeed unfortunate that so many so-called Christians have assumed a "scorched earth" method to deal with anything and anyone who differs from them. or whom they label as sinners. Nevertheless, the Bible remains crystal-clear on the subject of all sexual immorality, hetero or homosexual. God's Word does not, of a surety, single out homosexuality as THE sin of sins; it is rather contained within a larger group of many sins. God gave us the gift of sexuality to be practiced between one man and one woman who are married to each other. One can certainly choose some other path to fulfill their physical needs, but ultimately, they will answer for their choices. We do no one any favors by watering down the Scriptures, or "nuancing" them to fit our particular point of view. The Bible truly is the Word of God; one may not like it or agree with it at all, but then again, one can take that up with God in the next life.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    @chris b
    "I'll stand with you on this one issue."

    So I have to ask did you read the article? what do you think of the authors and many of evangelical leaders conclusions with regards to the way they need to address "this one issue"?

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Jan. 31, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    " Giglio did not say he had changed his views on homosexuality, but instead noted how old the sermon was and stated, "Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years."

    Mr. Giglio is just one among many preachers who feel free to destroy lives, not really understanding the damage they cause with their poisonous words.

    His declaration that "this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years." indicates how callous and irresponsible this type of people are. This issue is no longer a priority for him. I wonder if when the issue was a priority, or later, if he ever thought in the harm his declarations made on young people trying to understand themselves. I wonder how many churches or individual Christians have taken the time to think in how much harm their words have caused in people who needed to feel as members of God's family.

    They may refine their words as much as they want. Can they revert the harm they have inflicted?
    The new generation is a generation of hope and justice. I'm proud of them.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    I think the Mormon approach is very good. I dont agree with the Mormons on almost anything related to their doctrine, but their approach to homosexuality seems about right.

    Treat everyone kind, while never accepting what is wrong.

    People who have challenges should be helped. People can overcome those challenges and caving into their challenges is never what is best.

    While I dont agree that sexual relationships need to wait for marriage, I agree they are only acceptable to God between a man and a woman.

    Keep up the good work in this regard Mormons. I'll stand with you on this one issue.