Utah keeps growing

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 1, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    To "Pagan" the 7 kids that are born into the same can support more Senior Citizens than a 2 kids can.

    I love to see how liberals set up entitlement programs and assume that everything will remain the same forever.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 10:43 p.m.

    A family having 7 kids when it can only afford two is not a 'liberal' idea.

    And a family that has 7 kids drinks more water than one with 2.

    I enjoy watching conservatives praise when business objectives are met...

    and do nothing when they can't see the mountains in the valley.

  • Halospawn FARMINGTON, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    @Ultra Bob,

    "Why do we need to grow?" is a very good question, and it would be a great topic for a follow-up article. However, I do not think we have a realistic choice in whether we "should" or "should not" grow, but we have choices in policies that can influence the rate of growth. The reasons we do not have a "real" choice in growth stems from biology, cultural traditions, and critical mass. Our region's cultural traditions foster both a biological imperative and industry (which facilitates the former). The result of population growth is a steady stream of human capital and a byproduct of an industrious culture is economic development. At a certain population point, an urban center seeks to become self-sustaining and spontaneously starts an economic chain-reaction which creates its own gravity. The urban center's gravity attracts new talent which snowballs until limiting factors constrain it.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    To "Ultra Bob" we need to grow because population grows. If we had 0 population growth, then we would not need new jobs.

    You say that "Phrases like Economic growth, job growth, business growth, business friendly and even the notion of encouraging business startups are simply descriptions of a world where the people are easily subjected to more and more of the predatory takers who live off the labor of others." But couldn't that also be said of those who are on welfare and entitlement programs? In that case, you have the recipiants living off the predatory tactics of the politicians.

    The imbalance you are so concerned about is due directly to government interference and manipulation of the markets.

    If you want to fix the problem, get government to stop trying to "fix" the economy and economic disparities.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    Why do we need to grow? Who benefits from economic growth that brings more businesses, more people, more government and more problems. It is as if the masters of our world are applying the feedlot mentality to their quest for riches. While we really don’t want to be treated like cattle, we are constantly bombarded by efforts to convince us it will be good for us.

    Phrases like Economic growth, job growth, business growth, business friendly and even the notion of encouraging business startups are simply descriptions of a world where the people are easily subjected to more and more of the predatory takers who live off the labor of others.

    The fact is business is a taker. The object of business is to take more money than has been invested, it‘s called profit. The problem of profit is that it is mostly not spent in the same community where it was earned. For the welfare of people, business is a necessary innovation, it provides the redistribution of wealth needed to keep the engine of the society running. But the overabundance of business seems to cause a breakdown in the cycle.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    I like this article because over the past few weeks I have constantly heard from liberals that businesses don't want to come to Utah because of the air.

    If we are growing as fast as Forbes claimes, doesn't that mean that businesses are not so concerned about the air?

  • Halospawn FARMINGTON, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    This article would be a great introduction to a series of editorials that focus on in-depth analysis of the factors contributing to developing Utah's economy. A Dan Jones survey commissioned by the CPPA and the state legislature shows that economic development is the second most important issue to Utahns, as reported by KSL and the Deseret News. However, despite having a conclusion that I like and which re-affirms my choice in residency, I find the premises from which the conclusion is drawn to be vague, insufficient, or not pertinent. What are the specifics criticisms people have and about what aspects of Utah? What are the key indicators of economic development, and why? Do these criticisms actually moderate or interact with indicators of population growth, economic growth, or business relocation?

    (By the way, Pam Perlich is a well-respected economist. If she isn't the foremost expert on Utah's economic and population trends, she's certainly within the top echelon. So, she deserves more than indirect reference.)

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    Jan. 31, 2013 8:06 a.m.


    As long as people are moving into more densely situated housing, the water issue is a non-issue. If people are moving into single family homes in new subdivisions, then water is a big concern.

    What needs to happen and I think is starting to happen, more densely situated housing options are coming online. As cities across the Wasatch Front begin to plan for the future, more and more housing options are being located near transit options.

    This means that we will be able to easily double the population of the Wasatch Front in the next 30 years (already projected), without causing a strain on the existing infrastructure.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Jan. 31, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    Where do you folks expect to get the water to support all these new people moving in? How many do you expect to die off due to inversion and major air pollution?
    Growth sounds rosy but your sweeping under the carpet real problems is ignoring reality. Utah is still a Desert state and that will be felt more in years to come with greater demands on water you do not have and increasing air pollution.