Senators reach agreement on immigration reform

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  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Jan. 29, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Amnesty by any other name.......

    All this Congress can do is kick the can down the road. FIRE THEM ALL.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    And Congress becomes more useless than ever. Vote them all out and start over. We couldn't be any worse off than we are now.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    Try teaching a child honesty, and then try teaching him about illegal immigration.

    The open border movement is destroying this country at the core.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    Weird, their agreement is even more liberal than I am on the issue. Been a long time since I've thought that about a bipartisan agreement.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    Tom... you do realize that if every nice person in the world that had a good work ethic and you were able to find something likable about, were to just come here unregulated by law, we would have more people living here than in China... in the billions. Yes, we are still the envy of most of the world, which is why so many people still try to sneak in here illegally. But without laws and immigration controls (even for nice, likable people), we would now be living in horrible, overcrowded conditions... a situation that even people like you would finally understand needs to be regulated and controlled.
    There's a reason that every industrialized country in the world has and maintains their immigration laws. America needs to start maintaining hers better, regardless of how nice and likable the law-breakers are.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    Tom - what is the party of "hate and do nothing"?

    You do realize, I hope, that comments regarding illegal alien enforcement are coming from BOTH sides of the aisle?

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    Here's another idea. What if instead of allowing illegals to stay under the guise of "they do the work, that others won't" maybe we should allow all of those individuals on welfare (47%ers) to get out and work. I'm not saying all, because I know that there are those that truly can't work, but there are plenty of able bodied people on assistance that could benefit from doing some labor.

    The other thing that bugs me is that some of these companies that "can't afford" higher wages for American citizens, are the same companies with profits in the millions. Maybe if we stopped supporting these companies that hire illegals, they would figure out a way to get it done.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    Hey Tom- I love those immigrants that I've come to know too. The real issue here is how did they come to be here? If they did it illegally then they are law breakers and need to do it correctly. How's this? What if someone you love commits a crime, you know, breaks the law (see the deal here) should we just forgive them and say it's ok, I know you mean well and you work hard? NO! Laws are there for a reason. I have no problem with any immigration as long as it's done legally. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand? Follow the proper channels, get it done legally and then there is no reason to fear getting sent back home, wherever that is.

    I just don't understand why some people think it's ok to break laws. The problem is, if you break a law to get here, won't you think that it's ok to break more laws down the road? Breaking the immigration laws is a gateway to breaking harsher, more serious laws right?

  • Tom Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    It would be a great day for America if we could reach some consensus on meaningful immigration reform. It saddens me to see that the hate and No Nothing party are still alive in Utah. But you are a dying breed. The majority of Utahans have realized that these are real people with real families and that on the most part they make up an important part of our community. I love the many undocumented people I know. They are incredible people who have grown uses to putting up with your bigotry and misinformation.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    As easy as 1, 2, 3...

    "...For Republicans, the November elections were a stark schooling...".

    Stark schooling?

    We got'em right were we want'em.

    "...In order to satisfy the concerns of Rubio and other Republicans, the senators are calling for the completion of steps on border security...".

    How high to build the fence as well as how much electricity to put into the fence, in order to get the job done...

    And finally...

    "...It's a race to the bottom...a guest worker program guarantees wages will never go up...".


  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    At least Mike Lee had the integrity to leave the gang of eight.
    Let's hope more senators follow him.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    It's always sad to see politicians who are willing to sell out their principles for votes. Unfortunately, it happens all too often. This is yet another example. Instead of fighting for what they previously and publicly stated to constituents that they believe in, many are now in effect saying, "if we can't beat em (after a couple of tries), let's just join em." Sad, indeed.

    There is no valid reason to ever offer to illegal alien law-breakers any additional path to citizenship. They already have one. They can at any time go back to their countries and file legally thru the existing system for green cards and then follow the rules... just like everyone else who are already doing it correctly and legally. That it takes some additional time is just part of the price to be paid. We should never, ever encourage or reward illegal behavior. Yet, this latest so-called reform bill will do exactly that! There is no good excuse. Period!

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    I wonder if the Border Patrol agents who put their lives on the line day in and day out are fuming about this? They must be thinking, why? Why am I out here getting shot at and crawling through snake infested desert, when Barry and his Lemmings want to just let these guys in? Maybe we should just open the borders, legalize drugs, and see where that gets us. Canada is looking pretty good right now. Problem is, they already see what is going to happen and are tightening up their side. I think there should be a law that says if you don't enforce the laws already on the books, then all laws are null and void. Chaos. It's coming my friends.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    Why do our lawmakers favor foreign citizens over actual U.S. citizens?

    Our neighbors are unemployed. Illegal aliens cost the taxpayers of this country hundreds of billions in subsidies (free healthcare, free education, WIC, foodstamps, etc), yet politicians, in their pandering to business tell us we need ever more cheap labor.

    Lately, high-tech companies have tried to make a case to hire more educated workers also at a discounted wage rate.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    "Allowing more low-skill workers into the country and allowing employers to hire immigrants if they can demonstrate they couldn't recruit a U.S. citizen; and establishing an agricultural worker program."

    NO!!! This will NOT work! Employers will have so many loopholes when demonstrating that they couldn't recruit US citizens. There are already enough immigrants - illegal and legal - to satisfy an agricultural worker program. I speak from experience - the H-1B visa in the technology fields have a similar requirement - that the employer must demonstrate that they "tried" to hire US workers first before hiring a foreign worker. The loopholes are numerous and ridiculous, such that if an employer does not want to hire a US worker, even if there are hundreds applying for the job, then the employer has dozens of loopholes to choose from to bypass the requirement of offering the job to a US worker first.

    Let's not forget that all of this is about one thing and one thing only: unlimited supplies of dirt-cheap labor.

    Please see the following Youtube video demonstrating this: "Lou Dobbs: Law Firm teaches how to avoid hiring Americans".

  • curious george Smalltown, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    It's the same old same old, just politics and rhetoric. The only thing this will accomplish is to tell those that break our laws and thumb their noses at our society that we can do what we want and still be given a free ride as long as we vote for a particular party. It will simply encourage more of the same. Rome was destroyed following the same path we as a country are following. It took them several centuries to accomplish it, we are setting a new record for history. Many around the world are cheering on the process. I distress for my children and their children. I'm old and I will not watch much longer. I'm sad to see much more pain and anguish for Americans because of a selfish few.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    I already sent emails to hatch, lee, and matheson. Let them know how you feel, deluge their mailboxes.

  • Enough is enough! Saint George, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    WHY does he have to go to Las Vegas again?! The campaign is over. How MUCH does this trip cost US?!

    Somebody in the much does this cost the taxpayers?

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Best comment on illegal immigration. Vernon Briggs, a Cornell University labor economics professor: "The toleration of illegal immigration undermines all of our labor; it rips at the social fabric. It's a race to the bottom. The one who plays by the rules is penalized... a guest worker program guarantees wages will never go up, and there is no way American citizens can compete with guest workers."

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    Oh the trick question for Rubio.
    Either way he rolls on this, he can loose the next election.
    One day, in a land far far away, there will be a politician that stands up, and stands by what they say.
    And they never change there minds for votes.
    Until then, there all cons on both sides of the isle.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Apparentally both political parties care more about illegal aliens than their own LEGAL constituents. The burden in terms of "free stuff" for illegal trespassers is massive.

    If the givernment bureaucrats pass this amnesty, there will be yet another group of illegal trespassers lined up at the border.

    They certainly can't enforce illegal immigration if they don't TRY. E-verify would cost next to nothing to implement and would solve 80-90% of the problem.
    Why would they ENFORCE a new law when they don't enforce the existing law?

    Maybe its time for a 3rd political party that will be dedicated to enforcing laws rather than making excuses for lawbreakers!

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    Their priorities should put the 20 million Americans looking for full time work first.

    There is nothing new here, promises of enforcement that won't be kept, and amnesty for 11 million that will encourage 20 million more here illegally. We have had seven amnesties, if you want to reform the system, you start enforcing the laws. The same old amnesty is not reform, it's business as usual.

  • WhyNotThink North, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Bravo to the statesmen that are in the Senate! Where they have failed on other issues they have recently shown signs worthy of redemption. A great deal of credit should be given to the humility and willingness of the few Democrats and Republicans that are willing to place aside ideology and develop a resolution.

    This is something that the President and the House have failed to accomplish due to childish name calling and innuendo. The fact that we have not put an end to this quasi-slavery issue is a stain and curse upon this nation. I hope we finally can move forward and fix this situation.

    I am not a big fan of Obama but if he will stay out of the way and let these statesmen fix this problem it raises my opinion of him. Equally I am not a fan of the extreme right but if they will allow these statesmen in the senate to put an end to this unacceptable treatment of people within our boarders, the accolades should be likewise shared.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    The problem for Americans is that only the business interests are considered. The problems for the American people will not be solved.

    A help for America would be if a tax were to be put on business to pay for all the expenses of the illegal aliens. Business is the reason they are here.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Clearly Rubio doesn't agree with the GOP platform.
    They are working a deal for their political benefit, not in our best interest.