Maze of gun laws complicate control efforts, Associated Press analysis suggests

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  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Jan. 30, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    I think it's psychological. Perhaps some of these men really can't handle the change in society from a patriarchal structure to a more matriarchal structure or at least 50/50 equality that we see as nations develop.

    We are just barely seeing more women in politics but I see the signs of some other men being very uncomfortable with the change in political power women have.

    Most of the conservatives base issues are women's rights. Abortion and post rape abortion, equal pay and birth control. And their leading fantasy seems to be a return to anarchy where the men fight with guns and I suppose they believe they will be completely in charge again of their lives with no government.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    I'm dismayed by the tendency in these letters to label anyone to the left of the John Birch Society as "communists". Despite what Mr. Limbaugh feeds to his listeners each day, the cold war is over and we won. Communism is no longer even relevant as a threat. China is the only large communist country, and they're slowly turning into a capitalist Mecca, focused almost entirely on profitable manufacturing and exports. They have no interest in going to war with their largest retail customers, as that would bring economic ruin on themselves. The only other two genuine communist nations are North Korea and Cuba, and Cuba only remains this way because our embargo has prevented them from being "corrupted" by capitalism and the tourism industry. Without our embargo, their system would have collapsed long ago. This leaves only North Korea, and even the most fanciful thinking can't equate the ideals of the Democratic party with the paranoid self-isolation of the NK government. I would encourage people to debate the facts and opinions rather than to resort to name-calling. It's an established tenet of debate that name-calling means you've already lost the argument.

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    The gun industry and its sock-puppet, the NRA, need the sort of panic-buying of guns that has taken place recently in order to remain profitable. Their problem is that guns, for the most part, don't wear out, and when parts break or do wear out, they're easily replaced. Hence, the only way for them to survive is to continue pumping as many guns into the market as possible. Their current marketing approach is to push the idea that a dictatorship is almost upon us and we need personal arsenals of AR-14 rifles and their derivatives to fight off the Army and Marines when they come to take those rifles away. Of course they also insist that those weapons aren't assault rifles or military weapons by any stretch of the imagination, so it's unclear how they will be effective against trained and well-equipped professionals. I submit that this sort of thinking is better left for video games rather than dreaming longingly of a civil war or breakdown of society where we can shoot it out with our neighbors.

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    @one old man:
    "And what part of 'well regulated' does Alfred not understand?"

    It's not clear what the writers had in mine when they penned the phrase 'well regulated.' By the time the 2nd Amendment was written the Independence War was long over and the need for a militia had substantially diminished. They were probably looking back and reminiscing thinking what if something like another war against a tyrannical government was needed? How are the citizens going to put down another tyrannical government?

    That our current government would need to be overthrown by a peoples' militia some day is hard to imagine... but it could happen. Look at Libya. Look at Syria. I'm not saying that overthrowing the governments of Libya or Syria is a good or bad thing. But, for sure, those people would have a very difficult task with an overthrowing effort if they had no arms to do it with.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    Love the NRA. Great organization and I am proud to be a member. The Communist left will continue to attempt to misrepresent the NRA but what else is new? No surprise here. This fight is between freedom and BIG brother central committee tyranny.Make no mistake there is NO compromise here - only a fight to be won. Concealed weapon holders are some of the most law obeying law respecting people I have ever met and there is a reason for that - The NRA!!! There is another point to be made and this is the insultingly dishonest attempt by the looney left to ban guns in the false name of a safer America. Chicago banned guns and violent crime sky rocketed but you will NEVER hear the lefties talk about that fact because it goes against their real agenda of a gun-less , communist manifesto like society. The left in this country - including their big boss in the White House - is no respecter of the US constitution make no mistake. These people would love to tear this document to shreds.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:08 p.m.

    When the laws we have are fully enforced, then, and only then will we know if we need to revise our thinking about our firearms. It will however, never happen with the people who inhabit our cities and towns in this generation. We will hold fast to our guns, even with cold dead hands in the meantime. The second amendment was inspired and must be respected. Let the criminals bear the burdens of gun misuse with maximum jail time, not law abiding gun owners.

    The NRA should be our resource for educating every American about how to safely use and store our firearms. Liberals have distorted who these folks really are and what they could and do contribute in educating law abiding gun owners. There is no organization better at doing that job than the NRA.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 7:48 p.m.

    Looking at these two constitution hating communists is enough to make a guy lose his dinner.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    @one old man

    "well regulated" does not mean what you think it means.

    'regulated', circa 1790 meant working or functioning.

    The right was given to the people, NOT teh states, and NOT militias, but to the people,

    The intent being the people have the right to be adequately armed to be able act as militia against tyrannical government if ever need be.

    And as a deterrent to the government becoming tyrannical.

    Self defense and hunting go without saying.

    And this right shall not be infringed.

    So it is irrelevant why someone would need some arms or to shoot alot of bullets or want some arm or to shoot alot of bullets.

    I would rather be able to shoot alot of bullets at the bad guys than die trying to reload or by missing with a few bullets.

    I believe gun education and moral education, and better mental health treatment are much better solutions,

    than deprivations of rights and liberties based on unreasonable fears and extremist views or the foolish notion that government can or will help you before the bad guys get you or that government will not abuse their power over an unarmed citizenry. (TSA? Police?)

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    And what part of "well regulated" does Alfred not understand?

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    I don't want a gun in every hand. I am a gun owner, but I don't care if you have one or not, just don't try and take mine. I'll let you marry the same gender, you can even have an abortion, but why then, do those that enjoy their freedoms try and take others away?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    True. And yet it meets mindless outrage from those who want a gun in every hand.

  • Alfred Ogden, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    If the government is truly interested in reducing death of humans it would do something about carnage on the interstate and other highways. The death rate is much, much higher there than from guns.. yet vehicles speed down the freeway at ten to twenty miles over the posted speed limit while the cops, who are supposed to be monitoring speeders, just yawn and go back to sleep.


    The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

    And, what part of 'shall not be infringed' does Obama and Biden NOT understand?

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    More half-truths and advocacy from the chronically biased Associated Press propaganda ministry.

    One of their goals is to leave the impression that the rampant violence in Chicago, Los Angeles, or Washington DC is the "lax gun laws" in other states that allow guns to flood into those cities. This ignores the very real fact that the cities have virtually total bans on guns, and horrendous crime rates. The "lax gun law states" have in tiny fraction of the crime of the gun ban areas. It's not the guns, it's the criminals!

    This implies you can walk in and buy tommy guns and bazookas, later vaguely alluding to the fact that you need approval from the BATFE, a FBI background check and approval from the local cops-- on top of a huge price and expensive "tax stamp"-- a process that takes about 6 months---- and NONE of these legally obtained weapons has been used in a crime!

    Gun control fails every time it is tried. Try controlling the criminals and crazy people instead.

    At least prosecute felons trying to buy guns- less than 10 out of 2,000 cases in Utah reported to the Feds were prosecuted last year!