Education as a No. 1 priority must unite everyone in Utah

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  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    Funding education in this state is a joke...Herbert states he wants to fund WPU at a small percentage increase, yet they stop funding travel expenses to pay for this...they stop funding retirememt to pay for this...they stop funding FICA to pay for this...they require programs with no funding attached.

    The local school boards use up this WPU increase as well as funding with local taxes the cuts the state has made and are now going into their depleted reserve funds to keep status-quo.

    This state is a joke!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:32 p.m.

    This is really not logical for this Governor to come up with this statement in a non-election year when he has 4 years to go before running again. It is more rhetoric than words that will happen. He has said his point and the Legislature will do it's typical thing about public education and downplay any positive efforts that have happened in the past year. They will highlight how great charter schools are with all their "successes" and their positive efforts.

    It is amazing how those efforts to tear down public education and the outstanding teachers that are required to teach all students, not just the rich and brilliant in private and charter schools. The dedicated teachers who teach in public school read the Governor's letter to the world and wonder where the real meat is as the Legislature will tear down anything good in their dream world of getting elected to such an important office.

    We need Legislators to stand up for the educational system and the leaders and teachers in that whole process. Is it perfect? No, Governors and Legislators always find a problem and highlight it when millions of interactions happen daily in public schools.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    Please double my property taxes and use the money in our schools. First order of business, fire the teachers who perform in the bottom 10% and fire 20% of administrators. Next, hire better teachers to replace the bad ones (don't replace the administrators.) Then the next year evaluate how many more teachers need to go - perhaps another 10%?
    Our kids aren't ready for the real world. Period.
    We need better teachers. Period.
    We have some of the best teachers in the world, they will tell you than many of their piers have no business being in front of kids.
    Our schools are terrible because we hire the wrong adults.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:49 p.m.

    I am single, I claim one exemption, myself. Every year at tax season my friends with large families can hardly wait for their large tax refund. I usually pay federal and claim a small state state refund. hmmm.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:11 p.m.

    Thank you Governor Herbert for placing an emphasis on education in the State of Utah. While it is easy to criticize from the sideline, you have worked hard to fund education during very difficult financial times. Our demographics are such that matching the average per capita student expenditure would be difficult. Your willingness to at least make a move in that direction is to be applauded.

  • Bob Pomeroy Bisbee, AZ
    Jan. 28, 2013 7:57 p.m.

    sounds like UT needs to reconceptualize its taxation system. sales taxes are inherently regressive.

    Jan. 28, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    Utah does NOT need vouchers. Anyone who is not satisfied with our schools can do like many Catholic parents and take their children to a private school even though their Utah Income Tax dollars support public and charter schools.

    BTW, what is the graduation rate for the excellent Catholic parochial schools in this area?

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    voucher students in Milwaukee, Wis graduate 94%. Are we doing better. We need vouchers. They would result in better education. ISn't that our goal. Simply spending money does not result in better results. Look at the big cities they give teachers $75,000 in Chicago and $12,000 or more for each student twice what we do and hardly half graduate from high school.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    Thankfully Sir Robin Utah isn't like Washington D.C. with hundreds of thousands of urban poor youths, most of which come from high crime areas and single parent families.

    And how has cutting the purse strings helped Utah. Years ago when we weren't last in funding our education was much higher ranked compared to other states. We weren't dead last in educational rankings for states with similar demographics (racial/ethnic make-up and poverty levels).

    So I guess it's all about perspective and how one really looks at the data...

    I also think that common sense dictates that smaller classes would be better for kids. It also make sense to me that highly paid and highly motivated teachers would be better for kids. It also would seem that having experienced teachers versus less experienced teachers, which Utah is getting more of, is also better for kids.

    Or Sir Robin you can use your statistics to compare Utah to Washington D.C. and think you have a legitimate argument. I would argue they probably should invest more there and certainly much more here unless mediocrity (or worse) is our end game.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    I am an "underfunded" product of the Utah Public Education System. I will put my K-12 education up against anyone's (private or public) and I did not take AP classes in high school . Brave Sir Robin hit this right on the head. I applaud Utah for it's efficiency in creating competitive people on a low budget. We need more government run programs that run as well as the Utah School System. Certainly we wouldn't worry so much about the national debt if that were the case.

    I must say that I am probably the best of the Utah School System. I went to some of the best schools and I came from a family that taught me the importance of education. Money may have played a role in the school I went to, but when push comes to shove a good education is a personal responsibility and no amount of money can force someone to be successful in school. Spending less does not always equate to getting less.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    I just can't believe him when he says this. The pattern of the Republicans in control is simple: Big words, less money.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 28, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    Those of you who are clamoring for more money for schools: I challenge you to provide objective data that shows school funding leads to better test scores, higher college acceptance rates, or any other educational metric. You won't be able to do it because it doesn't exist.

    But did you know that America's best-funded school district also has America's highest high school dropout rate? Stark proof that funding does not equal educational success.

    Now back to your regularly-scheduled uninformed ranting about our underfunded schools.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    Where are the parents in this discussion?

    Typical liberal mentality is to blame someone other than the main people responsible for the problem.

    It is a parents responsibilty to make sure their children advance in education. Parents should be spending several hours a night doing homework with their kids 7 nights a week if that is what it takes to make sure their kids are where they need to be.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Actually the state constitution said that 100% of the income tax was to go k-12 education until back in the late 80's or early 90's when the legislature illegally changed it to include higher education as well. This was done before anyone realized what they were doing and our schools have suffered terribly ever since then. We didn't used to be last in every category when it comes to public ed but we are now.

    I'm hoping some of the more moderate conservative legislators that have recently joined the legislature will fix the mess the good old boys have created over the last 10 years or so.

    Get back to basics. End the charter school fiasco which is producing schools that are achieving BELOW the normal schools in the same neighborhood. They are a joke and we need to end this experiment NOW.

    Fund the schools. Our roads are in good shape. We don't need more crazy message bills.


    Jan. 28, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    Governor Herbert can show he REALLY cares about education when he supports adequate funding for education starting by eliminating the deductions for dependents from the Utah Income Tax since all Utah Income Tax dollars currently go toward funding education.

    Why aren't Utah parents willing to pay as much to educate their children as they expect others to pay?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 9:02 p.m.

    It is 2013.

    When are we going to see this actually happen?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    Re: "We need a new paradigm for capitalism that brings back the redistribution of wealth . . . ."


    Sounds a lot like the old paradigm for redistributive socialism [communism].

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    The unfortunate truth is that education will not guarantee a job, let alone a good job.

    Beyond the strategies of the rich and powerful to favor their own, the need for workers is becoming a lost cause. Technology and automation has not only destroyed jobs, but for the few jobs remaining has reduced the education required. The jobs created by the new technology and automation fall short of the jobs displaced. This plus the availability of well educated people from foreign countries spells death for the capitalist system as we now know it.

    We need a new paradigm for capitalism that brings back the redistribution of wealth that was a mainstay of the old system because business cannot exist without consumers and consumers have to have a way to get money to spend. Without killing the incentive of business to innovate, invent and improve, we must legitimize a new way to redistribute wealth.

    The only way ordinary people can obtain money legally and honestly is with a job. If the private businesses won’t hire, the government must. Unemployment should be eliminated from the path for the future of our civilization

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    In other words: "I think education is a very high priority for our state, and I have no intention of doing anything meaningful to improve it." Business as usual for Republicans: empty rhetoric, but no action.