Is putting armed guards in our schools a good idea?

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  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Jan. 29, 2013 6:31 a.m.

    The Salt Lake City Police Chief is supporting Senator Feinstein's recommendations for stricter gun regulation - and the Deseret News says nothing? How can the editors of a major Salt Lake Newspaper remain silent when the Chief of Police of the city the paper is located in makes national news?
    If a politician remains silent, it is understandable. When a newspaper remains silent, on a life saving issue, they are shirking their Constitutional responsibilities. Is the Deseret News afraid of the NRA? Does the Deseret News support the NRA? Where does the editor stand on this important national debate?

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 5:28 p.m.

    If it was financially feasible, it would be a decent idea. But it isn't. And though schools shootings are tragic, they are rare events. I'd rather money be spent to improve education overall. Perhaps then we might have less alienated students. Who knows. I like the idea of police officers regularly patrolling schools like they are doing Pleasant Grove but no need to station a police officer in every school but have a presence. Perhaps in high schools a school resource officer is a good idea but it was a good idea for other reasons then waiting to stop a school shooting.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    Ft. Hood shooting.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    The armed guard at Columbine didn't stop anything bad from happening there.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    The political right has spent the last decade or so demonizing public school, er, government school teachers as incompetent, tenure-protected, liberal-philosophy-indoctrinating union thugs. Now they want to arm them?

    Article: "When the NRA's Wayne LaPierre proposed armed security at every school, the media reacted with a tidal wave of derision and contempt. How could anyone dare say that we live in a society where our children need armed police protection, and need it now?"

    No, the derision is because the NRA's propsed solution is inadequate to address the problem of mass shootings in schools and the larger problem of gun violence generally. What about school children on buses? Should each bus have an armed guard also? It would have done nothing to prevent the Aurora theater killings or Camp Bragg or Virginia Tech. The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is a country with armed guards on every corner.

    Ironically, the NRA, a bastion of conservative thought, can only come up with a taxpayer-funded big government program to address the problem. Surely they could have conceived of something more creative and freedom-affirming.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    one old man
    Ogden, UT
    The idea of putting armed guards in all our schools is nothing short of ludicrous. What's next?

    Razor wire fences and guard towers?


    Hahaha, agreed!

    And uniforms,
    and metal detectors,
    and photo- I.D. cards for students,
    and dogs,
    and video cameras,
    and barred windows and doors...

    Leave the criminals and THEIR guns to roam free on the streets,
    and make the schools look like prisons...for Security's sake!

    A regular NRA Utopia!

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    In Utah many schools already have background checked armed guards. These are teachers who have Utah concealed carry permits who volunteer to take on the added responsibility of defending themselves and their students. This costs us NOTHING.

    Utah would do well to offer these teachers additional training at one of our police academy's and give these teachers credit towards their license renewal for this time spent.

    As a parent I am grateful to these teachers and to our far sighted legislators for passing the laws that make possible. Utah is also consistently recognized as the best or one of the best well managed states (depending on which study). Thanks again legislators and Governor.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Jan. 27, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    Nobody is comming for your guns. You just have to be incredibly gullible for the last 30 years of hype to believe that.

    The NRA isn't going to say, "They want background checks to keep bad people from having guns!" because nobody would care and it wouldn't make guns fly off the shelves.

    It's been 30 years since the NRA started this scare tactic and no democratic president has EVER threatened to take or has tried to take, your guns. But you believe it anyway.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 8:13 p.m.

    More fibs from the right. There are NO proposals to disarm the good guys. NONE.

    Is it too much to ask for some simply sensible solutions?

    Is it too much to close the gun show loophole and require background checks for EVERY gun sale -- whether through a dealer or private? Is it too much to restrict magazine capacity? Is it too much to provide a way for psychologists to report to authorities people they believe are dangerous -- and provide a way to remove guns from their hands if they own them? Is it too much to look at the need to begin counting convictions for MISDEMEANOR offenses that involve violence instead of waiting until someone has been convicted of a felony?

    There are SENSIBLE solutions out there. Both sides will need to give up some of their fear and paranoia -- which exists on both sides of the issue.

    Those few left wing extremists who want to ban all guns and those on the right who would open the door to anything. Neither side makes any sense. And certainly the NRA does not.

    We CAN find answers. But we must be willing to THINK and SEEK them.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Re: ". . . you can't take the gun out of gun violence."

    But, you sure can take the common sense out of arguments over how to address it.

    Just look at all the liberal "solutions" that involve disarming the good guys -- decent, law-abiding citizens -- without seriously addressing the real issue. Bad guys with guns.

    It's a well known fact, proved time and time again by the failure of liberal gun control measures to affect gun violence -- laws disarming Americans will only be obeyed by those Americans least likely to be involved in gun violence.

    They will do NOTHING to actually address gun violence.

    So, what is liberals' REAL agenda?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    99,000 public schools times an average salary of $40,000 is "only" 3.96 billion each year.

    It is easily paid for.

    Divide 3.96 billion by 300 million private guns and a tax of $14 per gun will more than pay for the NRA-suggested security. As we saw with the healthcare tax, a gun tax will pass a challenge to the Supreme Court.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    The idea of putting armed guards in all our schools is nothing short of ludicrous. What's next?

    Razor wire fences and guard towers?

    Why not work together to try to find some SENSIBLE solutions to gun violence even if that might mean that both sides must give a little? There are good solutions out there. But only if we care enough to seek them.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 27, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    This is available today. It is a states issue.

    Unless of course, you want the federal government to pay for it.

    Otherwise, completely doable today. State by state.

  • Beverly Eden, UT
    Jan. 27, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    The cost of placing an armed guard in schools is very expensive. An entry level police officer, in Utah, is paid close to $35,000 in salary, plus fringe benefits in the neighborhood of 25% of entry level salary, placing the cost at $43,750. per school - not counting equipment costs, etc. Just count the number of elementary schools in Weber County. On one hand you don't want to increase your taxes, and on the other hand you want to bankrupt the school district's budget with armed guard costs. Think this through. Putting an armed guard in every school is the NRA's method of deflecting clear thinking from the reality of gun violence in America. Stopping gun violence is the issue. Keep you eye on the ball. Gun violence is created by the use of a gun. It is not a single issue solution. Yes, we need to do better with funding for mental health, but you can't take the gun out of gun violence. Over 30,000 people will die from gun violence next year if we continue to do nothing.