Biden: Limit on magazine rounds a bigger priority than banning assault weapons

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  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    I agree with most of Cougarblue's statement. It's interesting that the base of the problem is never looked at because it isn't sexy enough to get reaction from the media. I own many guns. I am in favor of background checks and don't like that you can purchase at gun shows without one. I think most of us are fearful that if the feds start with magazine sizes, certain types of guns, and so on that it won't be long before they come after all guns. It would be interesting to hear Biden and Feinstein put it out there that they would sign and guarantee that this witch hunt would end if we did more background checks, limited magazine sizes, and made it harder to buy semi-autos. If you are truly using them for sport, there should be no problem waiting for a BC before purchase. However, part of this agreement needs to be that there will also be legislation for mental health and bullying in schools, to make Hollywood and the Video game industry equally as accountable as the gun makers in this. My guess, they wouldn't do it.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 6:28 p.m.

    I appreciate Joe's efforts to get something - anything, done while something still can be done.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:30 a.m.


    * AFT weapons to Mexican cartels
    * F-16 jets, and tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood
    * Legalized abortions

    Our leaders are not consistent.

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    Mass shooters are cowards at their very core. How many school shootings do you think would be stopped dead in their tracks if adminstrators and teachers were required to be concealed weapon carriers? That is the kind of legislation that makes sense.

    What if we allowed open carry of guns? You think anyone would try anything if they knew someone not five feet away was packing?

    What the legislation Biden has proposed will not stop is the illegal sales of guns. What's illegal here is still legal everywhere else? Smugglers will get a booming boost to their businesses. In the meantime, more weapons wind up in the hands of those who shouldn't have them.

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    Jan. 27, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    The worst argument I continually hear is that killers are going to find a way to kill. (i.e. there's nothing we can do).

    I can't accept apathy as a solution. Guaranteed our founding fathers wouldn't have done so.

    Many murders are acts of opportunity (not calculated). Rage mixed with means , or depression mixed with means can equal murder when otherwise that may not have been the case.
    Some murders are calculated and would likely be attempted regardless--but imagine if these calculated murderers had means to more than just an automatic weapon. (Biologic weapons, nuclear weapons, explosives). It happened in OKC, and we've put in place regulations to decrease the chances of this occurring again. I don't believe we'd accept apathy as a solution for these occurrences.

    Nothing is failsafe! (Arming the good guys, weaponizing teachers, bullet-proof vests, security checkpoints, metal detectors, scores of policemen).....NOTHING will prevent all murders, but that is absolutely no excuse for apathy.

    Knee-jerk opposition to 'gun control' and partisan politics are for the ignorant. Join the majority of Americans in pushing to improve our gun control laws! Apathy is not the solution.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:51 p.m.


    take care of the nut jobs. Is that constructive enough?

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Jan. 25, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    Lest we forget.
    Assault weapons banned from 1994 to 2004.
    Columbine happened in 1999. Basically in the middle of the ban period.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Jan. 25, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    The difference between a semi-automatic rifle being referred to as an assault rifle and a sporting rifle is whether it has a standard wooden stock or a military style plastic stock.
    That means that a ban could unintentionally ban sporting rifles also.
    After the OK City bombing did we ban the type of fertilizer that was used? No, we just placed some restrictions on easy access to it.
    Instead of making wild s6tatements let's sit down and rationally determine why these killings are happening and how we can reduce them.
    Remember we don't hear about the hundreds of individual killings every month but only about the ones that get emotional responses. We can't let emotion dictate how we respond to these situations if we want a solution that will actually work.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 25, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Blue, suppose one of your messed up (as you describe them) ex-students wants to buy a gun - anywhere. What's the problem in using technology we now have to check out his background to see if he's someone who can be trusted with a lethal weapon? You object to THAT? Still, I guess it's fun to muddy things up with cliches on the danger of cars, right?

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    wow its funny that one person a shotgun is protective another would keep going to maybe mini gun,maybe rocket launchers are home protection, or a aphache attack chopper. where to stop maybe all weapons like atomic bombs could protect you right. the bill of rights was written before the weapons now and they used single shot black powder we are in the present with a really bad world we need to rethink not reload.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    actually the BIGGEST priority is to stand firm with the NRA against the second amendment haters include Jolly Joe Biden and Diane Finestein. Make no mistake this is a fight for our freedom - the freedom to PROTECT ourselves and families from illegal gun carrying bad guys and crazy people.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Jan. 25, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    Armed people are citizens, unarmed are subjects. I am amazed at the well educated, intelligent people that want a "feel good" law that bans bushmaster rifles. Please think about how stupid that is. If there is no Coke you can always drink Pepsi. If you want to kill you will find a way to kill. We are in a violent, hate filled society and a sane person will want to protect himself and his family. GOD in an eternal member of the NRA!

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    To go along with Feinstein how about banning cars that travel over 25 miles and hour. We kill far more with our stupid reckless driving than we do with guns. We could dramatically reduce the number of highway deaths if we did that. LOL.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    What every one of you, including our President, Vice President and Feinstein simply cannot understand, it is not the gun, it is the violence our children are being raised under. Violent movies, violent games, sarcastic jokes, hurting jokes, bullying, hate filled comments on blogs. Parents putting down their children, kids being mean spirited towards others. Acerbic, caustic comments abound between political parties. Lies abound between political parties. Half-truths abound between political parties. Letterman, Leno and others get laughs when they make fun of people. Then we wonder why so much violence.

    Believe me after 34 years in education and interviewing thousands of kids, reviewing their discipline files and talking about what they watch, view and read it leaves no doubt in my mind that we have become a violent society. Outlawing or restricting guns will not do anything until we address this issue of violence. Freedom of expression has gone overboard on protecting violent games, violent movies etc.

    Bring sanity back to the discussion and not gut check comments or theories. Feinstein is clueless as ever.

  • 22ozn44ozglass Southern Utah, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    Fienstein, "Sandy Hook is more eloquent testimony than any of us could possibly give," she said. "If members of this body are so insensitive to what happened to those small bodies from that Bushmaster when it all becomes known, America is hopeless"

    What a fallacious argument and an insult to sound logic and the truth. The children at the Sandy Hook School shooting were killed by a person with legitimate mental health issues, a person without a properly developed conscience (this is reaching plague proportions in the US including our politicians), a person who has no regard for human life, a person who values 15 minutes of national fame and the mass notoriety provided to him and his ilk by an incompetent, greedy agenda driven mainstream media and a person who refuses to submit to and honor the rule of law.

    It it time to put much much much more effort into treating/curing the disease instead of treating symptoms and ineffective feel good politics and measures to control law abiding citizens.

  • EDM Castle Valley, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:29 a.m.


    Throwing your hands up and saying "there's nothing we can do" is not an answer to the problem. We are all responsible to do what we can to prevent these mass murders from happening. Shirking responsibility is not an answer.


    What are your constructive suggestions?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    How would gun owners and the NRA respond to legislation that locks up any person who's gun was used in a crime or for an accidental death? If a "responsible" gun owner knew they would serve considerable prison time and fines if their gun is used than they may take more care in how secure it is. It's a fact that a gun is over 20 times more likely to be used on you or a family member than an intruder. Make the penalty for its accidental use severe and innocent lives may be saved.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    "Biden says he wants a ban on assault weapons, even though he acknowledges they don't account for a large portion of gun deaths in America".

    So this will just be to appease the public?

    Ironic that the administration that sold assault weapons to the Mexican cartels, now wants to take them away from Americans.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    Liberal progressives work to accomplish their desired agenda in "baby steps". Usually, (including this time)they tell us we only have to give up "a little" of our rights in order for someone else to (somehow)be safer or have a "better life".

    Tragedies like Columbine and Sandy Hook are disastrous enough without trying to give false hope to Americans that (somehow)government can prevent it from happening again by passing "new laws".

    There is absolutely NOTHING in gun registration, confiscation, regulation, etc., that will end stupid acts by evil people. There is however, many reasons to deny government the permission to remove rights already guaranteed by the second amendment.
    Leave the gun rights alone. There is a REASON they are guaranteed by the second amendment.

  • JapanCougar Apo, AP
    Jan. 25, 2013 2:44 a.m.

    I'm a conservative that heavily supports the measures taken by VP Biden and Senator Feinstein. We have always had gun control/weapon control of some sort. The question currently is where do we draw the line of what type of weapon we will allow to be sold and circulated through the general population. I have yet to meet a person who believes we should sell guns to convicted violent criminals, small children, the blind, or those with significant mental illness--all forms of gun control.
    I also have yet to see a push for citizens to be able to purchase anti-aircraft missiles, RPGs, or anti-tank weapons. Again, further forms of gun control.
    I'd like to believe that reasonable Americans will give this issue some thought and won't follow party politics, or respond with knee-jerk reactions to the words "gun control".

    I'm hopeful that more conservatives will join me in pushing for smart gun control.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 24, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    I'm all for smart gun laws etc., but I'm not for punishing law abiding citizens. I have every right to defend myself, my family or others with the same weapons being used against me. It is ridiculous and illogical to create laws that give advantages to criminals.

    Go after criminals, not citizens!

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    A 15 year old child in NM found his parents gun in their closet and killed his family.

    Requiring a gun safe for guns might have kept that family alive.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    The shooter in Colorado purchased literally 6,000 rounds of ammunition before he went out to kill Americans.

    I can buy any gun, zero back ground checks, if I use cash at a gun show.

    No one wants to take away your guns, but requiring background checks could save lives.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    Biden's comments make sense.

    But making sense is not something advocated by the NRA and its followers.