Poll: Many say let illegal immigrants stay in US

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  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Jan. 28, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    To "Baccus0902" that was tried back in teh 1980's, and it failed. The illegals did not work with the system to become legal, some did, but more just came across the border.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Jan. 25, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    @ Redshirt

    Immigration Reform including amnesty and a pass to permanent legal residency.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Jan. 25, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    To "Baccus0902" you have explained yourself just fine.

    What you have not considered is that by allowing illegal immigrants to remain and not pushing them to come here legally, they will remain in poverty. You want people to be able to progress, but how can a person progress if they can only get jobs where the owners are breaking the law? There are many cases where businessmen didn't pay the illegal immigrants what they had promised. The illegal immigrants have no legal recourses to use against the businessman. Had they come here legally, they would have all sorts of legal means to ensure they are protected.

    So again, as a legal immigrant, would you want to keep a group of people working essentially as slaves, or do you want them to come here legally and have the abilty to improve their lives as you have done

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Jan. 24, 2013 7:15 p.m.

    @ Redshirt

    I'm sorry it seems, I didn't explain myself well.

    I'm from Chile and came to this country originally with a student visa. My first visit to the consulate I was rejected because I didn't bring any papers proving monetary solvency.

    Do you think this field workers will obtain a visa if they go to the American consulate in their places of origin? I doubt it. I have met many illegal aliens who have crossed the borders because of their inability to obtain legal papers.

    I have also met many illegal aliens who come with tourist visa and let it expire. However, they are able to fix their paper because of their connections, education and other resources that are not so apparent.

    I have nothing against poor people. I have plenty against poverty. I reject any attempt to curtail the progress of other human beings. From my point of view, you and those who oppose immigration reform are the ones trying to prevent the progress and the option of a better life for a large segment of our population.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 24, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    Someone once posted this:

    A person makes a living by going to college and getting a masters degree. Another person drops out of school, and claims it's unfair the other is rich.

    Illegals are here because they put in corrupt leaders in their home country. Perhaps they can fix their own problems, while we need to fix ours.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 24, 2013 5:32 p.m.


    Let's see how compassionate you are when someone moves in your house, and eats your food.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Jan. 24, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    To "Baccus0902" actually it isn't more complex than that. By allowing the illegals to stay, we essentially have created a working slave class with no rights and no possibility of advancement.

    Why do you hate the poor and not want them to come here legally so that they can really improve their lives? Do you like the benefits of cheap labor more than you want to have the compassion to help them come here the right way so that they can advance and do more than just manual labor?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    Polls are easy to skew for desired results.

    Moreover, any political shift that MAY have occurred, largely is the result of a major-scale FALSE propaganda campaign. No doubt some now favor legalization because they have been DECEIVED into thinking that there is no other way.

    The propaganda includes the following lies:

    - Illegal aliens would never voluntarily return to their home countries under ANY circumstances.

    - Deportation of the nation's illegal aliens is impossible.

    - Deportation is cruel and unusual.

    - Legalizing illegal aliens would result in a fiscal windfall for the country.

    - Latinos in this country hold all of the political cards.

    - The GOP cannot survive unless Latinos are appeased and in order to do so, illegal aliens must be legalized.

    - All Americans' ancestors were illegal aliens.

    Again, these are LIES.

    "We act as if our grandparents got here legally... What does that even mean?"

    What it means, Nick Nanos, is that UNLIKE today's illegal aliens, our grandparents actually loved this country and WHAT IT STANDS FOR. They did not come here to steal from it and then send the spoils to another country.

    Baccus0902: "Love thy neighbor" works both ways. And why no compassion for VICTIMS of illegal immigration?

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Jan. 24, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    @ Redshirt
    The reality is a bit more complex than that.

    We as a country have the resources to close and secure our borders to prevent future illegal migrations.

    However, I think that immigrants who have been here for certain number of years and have roots in this country should have a way to become legal residents and U.S. citizens later.

    They broke the law? Yes, they did. However, I have always wondered how much illegal immigration is "officially" tolerated to keep a percentage of cheap labor force.

    Redshirt, probably your ancestors came to this country when our immigration laws were more relaxed or there were no immigration laws at all.

    Most of those people who cross the border with the help of a "coyote" do it because they cannot receive papers or they will not be even admitted in the American Consulate office in their countries of origin.

    The U.S. immgration rules mostly benefit the rich and do not consider the poor.

    I am not oppose to stop illegal immigration. But, let's be real and do what we can do to fix the problem. Punishing children and good workers is not good for them or the country.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 24, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    To "Baccus0902" which is more compassionate, sending the illegal immigrants back to their country of origin or allowing them to remain in the US essentially working as slaves?

    The illegal immigrants have no possibility of advancement in their position if they come here illegally. Those that come here legally can improve their life above manual labor jobs.

    Why do you wish to keep them in such a lowly position?

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    It would be nice if they were not also entitlement seekers. For them to live in the US or Utah for that matter and the low-slave wages they work for, they have to be entitlement seekers which having anchor children give them. Entitlements are killing this country. At least make it law that employers have to pay decent wages, health care and workman's compensation benefits so they can leave the poor taxpayer alone. We are losing our jobs or working for low wages because of illegal alien workers and the businesses that love them. Sorry employers but your killing those off that support your pocket book, (The Citizens) Play fair employers or you will lose in the long run by having a country that can't afford to buy your goods.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Jan. 23, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    I am always inspired by the love and compassion of my brothers from Utah!

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    I say let them stay as long as they want. However, there are 2 restrictions that they will have to abide by.

    First: They cannot work in the US without first going through all the waiting and legal gymnastics to be a legal worker.

    Second: Any child born to an illegal immigrant while in the US will not receive US citizenship without following the same legal procedures that any other immigrant must follow.

    They can stay as long as they want and spend their money in the US for as long as they have money. But they cannot work or automatically get their kids US citizenships.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 3:58 p.m.


    Does Mexico allow anyone to enter their country illegally and stay as long as they'd like?

    Does Canada?