After 40 years, Roe v. Wade's legacy is deep divide across U.S.

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  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    There is no proof that people who have abortions will someday have to stand before the savior and defend themselves. The only ones who know for sure are the dead, and they're not talking. Follow your own conscience and let everyone else do the same.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 25, 2013 1:20 p.m.

    I would hate to have to stand before the Savior and attempt to defend an abortion

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 23, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    To "xscribe" how about he buys the birth control? Most honorable men will pay for dinner when they ask a woman out, so he could at least pay for the birth control since it doesn't really cost that much.

    Better yet. How about he keeps his pants on until he is married to his girlfriend.

    How many abortions would we see if women told men that they will not have sex until after marriage, and then only with their husbands?

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 22, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    Redshirt: Where's the man's responsibility in all this? If men were the ones that got pregnant, this would not be an issue. And when men are held responsible monetarily, maybe there would be less abortions. Abortion is not because of women; it is because of men!

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Jan. 22, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    To "Pagan" I hate to tell you this, since your Jr. High and Highschool health classes failed to teach you this. The woman chose to risk pregnancy when she had sex. All Row v. Wade did was to remove the consequences of her bad choice.

    Think of it this way. When people go to Vegas to gamble, they accept the risk that they may lose their money. Your ilk have worked to make sex consequence free with respect to pregnancy.

    To "Truthseeker" and "atl134" how much easier do you want access to contraception to be? Costco sells boxes with 50 condoms in it for $15, and Target has birth control pills for $9/month. Keeping clothed is free, and is 100% effective.

    If the problem is birth control and paying for it, maybe those women should insist that their man buy them some instead of buying them dinner once in a while.

  • Conservative Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    I think the LDS Church has the 2 inter-related "right" principled policies:

    1. Abortion is against the standards of the Church except in the rare occurances of rape, incest or a serious risk to the mother.

    2. Birth control is a personal choice, and should be used under the guidance of the Spirit.

    The Church is opposed to the use of violence, threats or intimidation related to keeping someone from using their agency in this matter. A Christ-like approach of offering love, hope, scriptural advice and empathy is appropriate.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Jan. 22, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    @ Pagan. At least you HAD a birthday! Millions of others never had a birthday because their lives were snuffed out before they could be born. God help this nation, if it is not too late!

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Jan. 22, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    If you had a child that got pregnant at 15, and they were healthy, not raped, hated the TV, loved guns, and supported wars, would you let them have the baby?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    Another twisted irony --

    The anti-abortion folks who call themselves "Pro-Life",

    Are also the:

    Pro-Death Penalty,
    Pro-Assault rifle, mass killing weapons, no background checks, no restrictions what-so-ever, I'll kill you if you try to steal my television, supporters.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    When Republicans can accept a policy of aborations for "rape, incest, life and health of the Woman, and viability of the fetus, and th decision is to be made by the Doctor, the woman, her family and her clergy if desired -- with NO Government and NO bosey-busy-bodies business." -- then, I can support it.

    The GOPs extremeist all-or-nothing stubborn mindset of No aborations, ever, not for ANY reason -- is both archaic and totally against my LDS Church beliefs.

    From a political stand point - they can continue to loose the minority [soon to be majority] ethnic voters, women, young people, gays, muslims, etc. and every other American not just like Archie Bunker.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Jan. 22, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    Pagan. Do you have kids?
    Did you stop drinking alcohol and smoking while pregnant?
    If they aren't born yet, then why did you stop?

  • windsor City, Ut
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    "I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?

    ...By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And, by abortion, that father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. The father is likely to put other women into the same trouble.... Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. This is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion... abortion which brings people to such blindness." Mother Tereasa, Washington DC, February 1994

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Statistically the nations with the lowest abortion rates in the world aren't even nations where it's illegal, but are the nations with the lowest pregnancy rates (no pregnancy, no need to consider abortion). Belgium and the Netherlands have the lowest abortion rates and it's not like they're choosing life more than others since they also are among the lowest for birth rates. If you stop unintended pregnancies from happening then you'd get rid of most abortions. Of course, the pro-life movement opposes Belgiums' methods.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    @Belching Cow
    "In most cases abortions are done for convenience. "

    So naturally you oppose ways to get them better access to contraception that would have probably prevented the consideration of abortion since there wouldn't have been an unplanned pregnancy.

  • UTAuley Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    It's quotes like this, by Shields, which show the problem to me:
    "And a 2011 survey of 3,000 adults by the Public Religion Research Institute found many who classified themselves as both "pro-life" and "pro-choice. Shields, like many scholars of the abortion debate, doubts a victor will emerge anytime soon."

    A victor has emerged. It's the people who are both pro-choice, in that they believe that the option of a safe and legal abortion should be available. And yet are personally pro-life, in that were they in such a situation, their choice would be to have a child.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    Another way to combat Abortion?

    Birth control.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    I find it ironic that the people who claim a baby is alive before it is born...

    celebrate a BIRTHday.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 22, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Wonder what the unemployment rate would be if all those abortions people speak of did not take place!

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 22, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    Roe vs. Wade gives a woman the ability to decide what happens to her body, and the bodies of her unborn children. Mother knows best? Indeed, what a world we live in, in which we have granted women the right to choose murder for their innocents?

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    As a faithful Christian, I support abortion.

    Who knows but that those children we save from abortion would grow up to be drug addicts, thieves, godless atheists, or worse: hedge fund managers!

    (sarcasm off)

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 22, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    I used to believe Republicans cared about the unborn. But no more. They oppose making reliable contraceptives economically and readily available. They oppose age-appropriate sex education. They oppose programs which benefit poor children--like food stamps etc.

    Furthermore there is a huge double standard in our society, where promiscuity for men is acceptable.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Jan. 22, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    Abortion has been a huge backward step for women's rights in India. Parents want male sons so if they determine by ultrasound that their baby is a female, they will get an abortion. There are 50 million more men have been born than women.

    This is one cause for why gangs of predatory men who can't get married are raping women in India. Women are being trafficked to men to be their brides. Women who take a taxi will text the taxi number to their friends in case they get raped and killed.

    Our technology is way ahead of our humanity.

  • Aggielove Cache county, USA
    Jan. 22, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    When is it the babies choice pagan?

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Any society that decides that human life is a matter of personal choice is in serious decline.

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Last I checked the child involved in Roe V. Wade, was born, and grew up to be an anti-abortion advocate. Seriously, say you don't have the abortion. You have the child. I could not imagine having regret over a child you brought into this world. Perhaps you need to arrange an adoption, but even then, it's a win-win on some level.

    On the other hand, how many have regrets over abortion? They've done studies. Its a high number!

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 22, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    More detailed look at the Pew Research poll concerning Roe Vs Wade

    Overturn Dont overturn

    Republicans 48 46
    Democrats 20 74
    Independents 28 64

    Catholic 38 55

    College Grad or more 22 73
    High School or less 36 53

    White evangelical Protestants are the only major religious group in which a majority (54%) favors completely overturning the Roe v. Wade decision. Large percentages of white mainline Protestants (76%), black Protestants (65%) and white Catholics (63%) say the ruling should not be overturned. Fully 82% of the religiously unaffiliated oppose overturning Roe v. Wade.

    The GOP party platform is completely out of touch with the mainstream. Even Republicans are evenly split on this issue. Can you imagine the numbers if the question was about personhood rights?

  • Stephen Kent Ehat Lindon, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    The average adult reading rate is said to be 250 words per minute, with 70% comprehension. (Smith, Brenda D. "Breaking Through: College Reading" 7th Ed. Longman, 2004).

    This article was 1,793 words in length, meaning it probably took me, if I am an average reader, slightly more than seven minutes to read it. (1,793 ÷ 250 = 7.172.) With 70% comprehension, perhaps.

    Applying the same rate of approximately 55,000,000 abortions over the past 40 years -- e.g., 55 million abortions during the past 21,024,000 minutes (40 x 365 x 24 x 60 = 21,024,000) -- one can see that during the seven minutes the average reader took to read the article there occurred about 18 abortions. (7.172 x 55,000,000 ÷ 21,024,000 = 18.76.)

    That's perhaps incomprehensible.

    One more abortion occurred as you read this letter.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Jan. 22, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    I find it ironic that the only people who favor abortions as a form of birth control have already been born.

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    "Roe vs. Wade did nothing besides give a woman the ability to decide what happens to her body."

    That is a lie. In most cases abortions are done for convenience. In those cases the woman made her choice already. Do these woman not understand how people become pregnant? Abortions for convenience are nothing more than trying to avoid the consequences of bad decisions. These women never had control over themselves to begin with.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    Jan. 22, 2013 7:14 a.m.

    OUr body is not our own it is Gods he gave to us. And that fetus is another body God gave us. Pro abortion people were born themselves what hypocrisy. And besides even if you think it should be legal shouldn't it be a states rights issue as decided by the 9th and 10th amendments. Not safe for aborted person.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 22, 2013 6:08 a.m.

    "a new Pew Research Center poll finds 63 percent of U.S. adults opposed to overturning Roe"

    I can assure you that there are many members in the GOP in that number.

    Face it people. Americans in general do NOT want to ban abortion. And they certainly are not wanting "personhood" rights for the unborn. The GOP party platform is out of touch with main stream America and even a large chunk of the Republican party (including Mitt Romney)

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Jan. 22, 2013 5:44 a.m.

    Reducing abortion heavily depends on expanding access to birth control. We can reduce abortions but the same people are fighting birth control in the health care fixes.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 22, 2013 2:44 a.m.

    Roe vs. Wade did nothing besides give a woman the ability to decide what happens to her body.

    In Utah, a 17 year old girl paid a man to beat her in the hopes of terminating the pregnancy. The Deseret news reported on this...