Dear Mr. President: One glimpse of your nation

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 21, 2013 9:45 p.m.


    Tells you our voting system needs fixing, and why we have major corruption.

  • ApacheNaiche PINETOP, AZ
    Jan. 21, 2013 8:12 p.m.

    First of all, it never was nor ever has been Hussein Obama's nation. The United States of America belongs to all Americans, not just one.

  • Rural sport fan DUCHESNE, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    The original US voters were not the poor and uneducated; they were those with a stake in things. That changed with universal suffrage, and the Electoral college was thought to be a way to ensure the "correct" candidate would win, so the screaming masses could't put in some popular fellow. Unfortunately, the parties co-opted that as well, and now, we DO have rule by the uneducated masses; which, despite our democratic system, was never what the founders anticipated, and which, as predicted by Washington and others has led to factionalization, and the inability to be objective and do what is best for ALL of us.

    Add in the lack of a real media to act as a voice, a lack of questions asked and far too much editorializing and posturing for profit by the talking heads on both sides of the questions, and political leaders who lead not to improve our country, but to gain power and influence; and we get the current state of affairs.

    Anyone willing to compromise at this point is a fool, regardless of their position, This thing is broken, time to replace it.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    at worf

    "...people on the dole shouldn't vote. This way, votes can't be bought."

    But, special interests, lobbyists, PAC's, etc.. are okay?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 21, 2013 1:56 p.m.


    Since when is a loophole a government dole?

    You don't think Obama, Pelosi, and Reid don't use loopholes?

    LDS Liberal:

    Glad the Constitution means something to you, and yes, people on the dole shouldn't vote. This way, votes can't be bought.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 21, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    If "oppression and tyranny" are genuine and not just conservative hyper-speech, then all discussion of such things is forbidden. Just posting about such terms means that, wherever and when ever they have existed, it isn't HERE or NOW. If Tom really thinks that the president is actively working toward general ruin, then he should start looking into the healthcare options of Costa Rica and the free economy of Bangladesh.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 21, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    When conservatives start deciding who should be able to vote we are doomed as a nation. Democracy will be replaced by a Plutocracy. Our country's freedom is already under attack with the GOP's unspoken strategy of voter suppresion. When it comes to open, fair elections all Americans should not give an inch. If we do our country sezizes to exist.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 21, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    Oppression and tyranny for four more years. 8% (plus) unemployment, Trillion Dollar deficits and 1% growth are the new norm. Last week even the GAO audit concluded that, absent policy changes, the United States is headed for fiscal disaster. Obama will not stop until he fundamentally transforms this country to a place we want no part of.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 8:16 p.m.

    @ conservative scientist, complete and utter nonsense. I reiterate my earlier point. Please, no more conditional patriotism.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 20, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    If worf is looking for conflicts, then would defense contractor employees, military and NRA employees be disqualified from voting, too? The HS grad part might seem to make more sense, but...why HS, when that was once a goal not everyone could reach? And it just might cut off a number of deep south GOP votes in the Party's new homeland.

  • cavetroll SANDY, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 5:27 p.m.


    "Because of a conflict of interest, people on the dole should not be voting." Should that also include those who benefit from tax loopholes because they "lobbied" a congressman? Or how about those CEO's whose companies have government contracts?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 4:19 p.m.

    Meanwhile --

    I'm thoroughly enjoying watching watching the Republicans canibalize themselves in their political purity witch-hunts for RINOs,
    let alone trying to compromise and get alone with the majority of us "other" Americans.

    worf --
    Where does either of your silly proposals pass the Constitutional muster?
    Thanks again for trying to Trample all over it.

  • conservative scientist Lindon, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    It was stated we don't know what the rules are. But the rules are whatever BO states they are. He and his administration are not constrained by congress, the constitution, or anyone else. Just listen to what the President is saying and that is what the rules are.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    Yes, duly elected.


    Obama got more votes on his 2nd term, than his 1st.

  • Way of the Warrior ANACORTES, WA
    Jan. 20, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    Why is this under the NEWS section and not the EDITORIAL section?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Duly elected?

    Because of a conflict of interest, people on the dole should not be voting. Neither should those without at minimum of a HS degree.


  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    "To get things done," says Connolly, "you need other people."

    Not so says FOX News, the RNC, Repub losing candidates, as well as the lowest rated in years Repub led/dominated House etc., etc., etc..

    Repubs lampooned that one pretty good during the last election cycle.


    "...a story of clustering in two camps. You inherited deep divisions, and you say you are trying to make things better. But, to hear your adversaries tell it, you have made them worse..."

    What else are adversaries supposed to say?


    "...I'm looking for a little more thoughtfulness and discussion and compromise and a little less knee-jerk political posturing,...".

    Repubs say they will never compromise.


    "...Both sides have strong, passionate arguments. Both sides make sense — some of the time...".

    Isn't that the nature of strong passionate argument?


    "...remember, though more than half of us think the country's on the wrong track, more than a third think it's on the right one...".

    Checking the vote totals, I would say a little more than half think it's on the right one and a little less than half think it's on the wrong one.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    I'd love it if we could be a bit more thoughtful and introspective in our response to national affairs, too. Unfortunately, those days are gone. Everyone has a stage now, and some can scream pretty loud from it. Consensus is almost impossible anymore, for this President and anyone else to hold the office going forward. I'm not sure what the answer is yet, but I'm working on it.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Jan. 20, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    This is certainly not something new. We are now, and have always been a divided nation. Did anyone out there pay any attention to the Lincoln film? What about the country prior to Lincoln's presidency?
    As a teenager, one who was instructed by teachers to provide current events for class...
    Parents would "guide" me to the news articles and express their views. It is still easy to recall my predominantly Republican parents, grandparents and extended family, loudly express their unhappiness about the President of the United States and others in government positions. Many times it mattered not who was in charge. Republicans and Democrats were both "wrong" in their policies.
    Politics makes great conversation and it is really exciting when there are lots of differing views. Ruined family gatherings sometimes, but it sure was wild, crazy and fun!
    Our news cycle is different now. We simply hear more news much more often.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Yes a glimpse reveals not at meaningless symbolic war In Iraq, winding down the other one, working on slowing gun violence, economy coming back after being torched by banks and hedge funds.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    All in all, I am optimistic about our future. The biggest problem we have is those who refuse to extend the same respect to a duly elected President of the party other than their own, and who listen with rapture to hate radio and TV. Their corrosive partisanship has a demoralizing effect on the people and suppresses the optimism that we have historically have had as a nation. Our greatest accomplishments have come when we have sought change to solve our problems rather than do nothing. This Administration is trying to make things better for our future and was elected by a majority of the people to do just that. I plan to support our leaders, even if at times I may want a different course of action. I think the nation will be better for it.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Jan. 20, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    This article reinforces the truth of strong polarization. The basic foundation of this dispute lies in urban versus rural America. Here in Missouri, the legislature is controlled by rural Republican interests while the governor has been reelected on the platform of a rural Democrat who is working with urban interests. In reality, there are doubts about his true intentions. What remains in Missouri as in many areas such as Utah is the apparent lack of any willingness to compromise from these two factions. Both groups have strong philosphical beliefs which on first view do not allow for any type of compromise to either core belief.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    Jan. 20, 2013 7:15 a.m.

    Well that was a waste of my time.