RE: JParkerfan, Notre Dame has investigated this out or they wouldn't be
circling the wagons. Yet Manti was considered but was he excluded because of
questionable character or (LDS)non-Christian?The Vatican has invited
top-tier Christian athletes Tim Tebow and Jeremy Lin to help bring ethical
values back to a scandal-ridden world of sports.Instead of sports
being an activity that builds important values, respects human dignity and helps
shape the whole human person, "it has reduced people to merchandise. U.S. cyclist Lance Armstrong's admission to doping was just the
tip of the iceberg, he said, since high-stakes commercial interests pressure
almost every professional cyclist into the illegal practice. The world of
cycling and soccer is "a world that is rotten,"
Very funny comments again.. It's obvious that Notre Dame has investigated
this out or they wouldn't be circling the wagons. The independent
investigation, one would expect, would include his phone records. Take a chill
pill and let the facts come out. I see a lot of similarities here to the Duke
case. Everyone wants to rush to judgement and convict athletes, before they
have a chance to defend himself. I'm going to give him a chance to tell
his story and then decide what to think of him. I don't see how this
changes his draft stock that much. Good kid, great player. If he can tackle,
someone will draft him in 1st 10 picks.
I am all for supporting high profile LS athletes but in this case Manti himself
told the story of the fake girlfriends death to Sports Illustrated 2 days after
he got the call from the alleged girlfriend who had "died". This
isn't looking good for him.
Bye Bye 1st Round! Stock has dropped and is dropping by the minute.
I find this story typical of the hypocrisy in this country. You see football
players everywhere who beat their girl friends and wives, frequent strip clubs
regularly, get busted for drugs and a host of other felonies and the media says
little if anything. Now you have a great - clean - athlete who plays with his
heart and they want to destroy him. I suspect some of the feeding frenzy on
Manti has to do with him being a Mormon and the hatred and bigotry in this
country that is always on display regarding Mormons. I could care less what
goofy thing happened with some on-line dating experience. I could care less if
the whole thing was a hoax. BIG DEAL!! Holy geez, the kid is head and shoulders
better than most who get drafted both athletically and morally and he is only
22. I think back when I was 22 and the goofy things I did but that didn't
make me into some sort of Lance Armstrong con artist.
Hoax?Life imitating art?"...It's not a lie, if
YOU believe it...".George Costanza
I guess that the sympathy vote for Teo didn't work for the Heisman. Why
doesn't he just admit he and his friend concocted this story as a ploy to
help win the Heisman. Since there is no award for coming in second no one would
care.The story and its many permutations, as well as the denials, do
not pass the smell test.
I commented last night with a little disbelief, but as information comes out it
becomes clear that something bizarre was happening.What I don't
understand is why. Assume he was getting pranked. Who was the girl
he met personally? Why invest that much time into an elaborate hoax? Te'o
is on record as talking to her for hours and hours. This "relationship"
went on for a long time. I've heard of pranks like this lasting for weeks
or even months. But years? Why would someone be invest time in a prank for
that long? That goes beyond just trying to embarass him, but I've seen no
evidence of another motive like trying to scam him.Assume he was in
on the joke. Why do it? Why didn't he think someone would figure it out?
If he needed sympathy, his grandmother also passed away. Was it necessary to
get more attention? Part of the Heisman run? A joke with his friends that got
out of control?I think this is the most bizarre sports story
I've ever heard.
CF Mom you are ignoring the comments from Te'o's parents saying she
came out to visit, more than once.
always- sanctimonious n.d. milked this story for all it was worth; probably knew
it was bogus from the get-go. I'm a (nominal) caatholic u of u grad wyo
native but i believe the only class operation in d-1 sports is in provo.
He is lying. He said he met her, visited her, sent her flowers, etc. He played
terrible in the BCS championship because he knew it was going to come out.
Didn't BYU sniff out the character issue when he did his campus visit?
True story: My cousin was in her early 50’s and had a terminal illness.
I asked her to come and live at my place, gave her the use of my computer, and
taught her to use the internet so she could find some online support. We set up
a phone line in her room. Soon, she was talking about all of the men she was
meeting online, and her phone was ringing off the hook. I was amazed that she
(not an attractive woman and not well) was getting so much attention. She told
me some of these men wanted to meet her or even have her move in with them!
After a few months, she died. As I went through her personal things, I found an
unmailed letter to one of the men she’d talked about. In it was a photo
of a beautiful young friend of hers. I found phone numbers and started calling
men. They thought she was the young woman in the picture, so they were stunned
when I unraveled the deception! No matter how this turns out, I don’t
think we should rush to judgment!
Wasn't this guy an inspiration just a day ago?
If as I suspect he planned and orchestrated this what a disgrace! Glad he
didn't go to BYU..
Manti is a good player - big, fast, smart, and plays 100% whistle to whistle.
Also he is squeaky clean off the field. The girl friend thing is weird but who
cares??? This is blown way out of proportion. If I am an NFL team and I need a
linebacker I am taking Manti first round. No brainer.
Has anyone thought of the possibility that those invoved in the hoax used a real
person to start the game, to meet Teo at Stanford so that he had a picture of
her in his mind. Someone whose voice would match when he heard on the phone,
match pictures on a facebook page etc. Why is it so far fetched that those who
planned and execued this would have planned all angles including a face to face
meeting or two. From my point of view, that only is common sense Duh
Hope this is a rumor? This is more true than the false story ever was! I just
really want to know who made it up and why? Why did someone have the gall to
make it into a national headline? I believe journalists world wide learned
something from this, and if not... What are they teaching in school these days?
How required is the BS in Journalism? Heaven forbid there is anyone with a
masters that would run with such an unproven story! Anyhoo, what the world
learned is that before you run a story make sure there is proof that people
exist. Don't wait until 10 months later to find out you ran with a LIE. It
shoots your credibility into the dirt and buries it 40 feet under. And agreed.
There is no LDS Church guilt by association to this! No more from this than the
sad regrettable association of Harry Reid!
Bluto wrote:"This has nothing to do with the LDS Church, thus,
it have no reason to be embarrassed."Of course, when Te'o
is in the national media, on the front pages, and a Heisman nominee, then it has
EVERYTHING to do with his "faith" and the LDS Church!But
when something goes awry, it has NOTHING to do with the Church!Sounds like fair-weather friendship and cherry-picking to me.
RE: Brave Sir RobinI hope you don't think you came up with that
yourself. I've only seen it in about 100 other places since yesterday.
Great player that has now been discovered to be nothing but a phony outside the
Manti just changed his Facebook relationship status to "it's
The world is full of lonely people. The world is full of cruel people.Trust is ruined when the first meets the second.
Correction: Manti admits that the scam was revealed to him on December 6th. And
he didn't tell anyone. And all those adults (parents, coach, AD...) kept
it under wraps and didn't call police.
I know a group of guys that invented a girl to meet up with one of our friends
online. They let their relationship go on for about two months before letting
him know. I'm not saying that this is the case her. However, I don't
think it should be ruled out as a possibility.
Even if you accept the story, you have to wonder why Notre Dame and the family
didn't come clean with the public on December 27th.Going public just
as Deadspin is ready to expose the story tells me they were willing to hide the
deception. That's not integrity in my book.Sure they were dealing
with post-season play, but the truth is a priority; even more so when you are
dealing with an LDS player and a Catholic university. Shame on them.
Sorry, no way Teo didn't lie. His story is so bogus it's ridiculous.
I'm getting tired of the Obama's, Armstrongs, Teo's of the world.
Doping, fast and furious, Lybia, cycling, only going to tax the rich, phony
girlfriends... enough is enough.
Still, too many unanswered questions? Why would Te'o and family go along
with such a stunt?
This is hilarious!In an October interview with ESPN, Teo said:"Faith is believing in something that you most likely can’t
see but you believe to be true. You feel in your heart and your soul that
it’s true. You still take that leap."
One of Manti's friends says he is 80% sure that Manti was in on it.
Doesn't sound like much of a friend to me. Way to have your friend's
back there pal.That said- I will wait to form my final opinion until
everything comes out, but I find it very hard to believe Manti is the victim in
@ScandrusThis has nothing to do with the LDS Church, thus, it have
no reason to be embarrassed.Assigning guilt simply by association, is
never a prudent thing to do.People make individual choices and have
to live with them.Nobody knows the full truth at this point, but what is
interesting, is how quickly everyonewants to condemn him, long before all
the facts are known.Having sat on a jury for six long weeks, I
learned not to be quick with conclusions until both sides have presented their
case in full.Chill out folks and let the process fully materialize.
What's the big deal?Lots of people have imaginary girl friends.
@ bill Please read the deadspin article. You obviously don't
understand the full story if you still think teo is a victim.
Having known the Te'o family sence 1958 when I dated Mima Te'o and
going to Roosevelt High school in Honolulu,Hawaii this hurts all of us from the
Islands. I can tell you that the Island culture is so much different that the
main land. Please know this is real sad and wish the best for this young man.
Boy I just wish them well. Mahalo for your kind thoughts and prayers.Andy
She is the most beautiful girl I never met?
A "huge embarrassment for the church?". Someone needs a clue and a life.
I think that the same old "haters" should sit back and let the story,
and the facts, come out..
I think the hoax is that the girl had died and the girl maybe he met wasn't
the girl on line but part of a broader conspiracy. Just a thought. It probably
started on-line and then gravitated to maybe a couple of face to face meetings.
But in a sense, this whole thing is a poster child of this generation's
infatuation perhaps with facebook and technology vs. actually having human
"Read the article carefully. Manti was the victim in this. He met a girl
on-line. They had a great relationship on-line. They became friends
on-line."When I read it carefully, I see these non-online
descriptions of their "relationship":Te'o and Kekua meet
after Stanford's 45-38 victory over Notre Dame in Palo Alto, and swap phone
numbers.Te'o's father, Brian, told the Tribune in October
2012. "Every once in a while, she would travel to Hawaii, and that happened
to be the time Manti was home, so he would meet with her there."
Read the article carefully. Manti was the victim in this. He met a girl
on-line. They had a great relationship on-line. They became friends on-line.
This happens a lot especially on facebook. He indicates that he told ND
authorities on it as soon as he found out it was a hoax. Now everyone is
jumping on him because of it. Guilible yes but still the victim. Some of you
casting stones shows your own stupidity in this. It doesn't embarras the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints one bit. What it embarrasses is the
individuals who actually pulled this off. It just show how immoral our country
has become. Nothing is sacred any longer, not even a person's life.
Classy move Anything for money and fame
@crawfordzooWell, I'd love to give him the benefit of the
doubt, but if you read the deadspin article, it becomes pretty apparent that
this is going to get REALLY ugly.
Is no one giving him the benefit of the doubt? I am withholding judgement until
the investigation is over.
Lesson # 1 kids: Tell the truth, no matter how dull. Lesson # 2:
Don't put all your trust and faith in any human being.
A diamond just lost it's luster! Just a very sad story. Even more tragic
is the fact that he seemed to have played along with it instead of telling the
truth. And what kind of lowlife would make up a cruel story like that to begin
with? I hope they investigate and find the culprits who started that hoax and
prosecute them. That was one cruel hoax if I ever seen one. I'm sad for
him, his family, and for the Church he represented while at ND.Wish
him well and hope he has a bright future in the NFL.
Looking forward to hearing more about this--I'm guessing there will indeed
be more details. If so, I would probably have to agree with "Scandrus".
I really hope this turns out to be vicious rumor. Though he spurned my Cougars,
I respect Te'o and his accomplishments on and off the field. It'd be
a shame if this was a big hoax.
I would think the biggest embarrassment is ND. The ND PR machine pushed that
story as much as anyone.
What the hey...?!?!? No wonder he played so poorly in the National Championship
Just like "Rudy" and win 1 for the Gipper the Manti Teo story is
marketing not reality. Good thing he didn't go to BYU after all. This is a
huge embarrassment for the Church.
So this girlfriend that he was madly in love with and whose "death" was
such a touching subject all year turns out to be some random girl he never met
but with whom he chatted with online a couple times?Say what you
will about those who are supposedly behind this, but Manti, seriously dude?!You also led the nation to believe this was something a mile apart from
what it truly was.Looking pretty foolish right now.
People can be very gullible. Thus all the "inspiring" Urban legends
that make the rounds in speeches and church all the time.
"She's the most beautiful girl I ever met". Problem was he, or
anyone else, never met her. A girlfriend he never met? Either naive beyond
belief or someone's not truthful.
Uh, what about all the "their eyes met" at a Stanford game, and all of
Te'o's parents quotes? Complete garbage? Made up? This is an