Hatch's 'radicals' harmful

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  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Hatch's whole campaign was about getting power, not about conservatism.

    1 vs 5. So who is the out of touch radical?

    There was a more conservative candidate on the ballot, from the constitution party, named Shaun McCausland.

    If you want to shape politics beyond just waiting to vote for whomsoever the parties put up, you have to get involved with some party and shape the nominations. Registering as non-affiliated, or choosing not to actively participate in your chosen party is not an excuse, it is a choice. You own it.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    Mike, Hatch is not a doctrinair Republican. He does have a pragmatic streak and he thinks about the good of the whole, instead of the good of the few. He knows more about the Constitution that you will ever know and in my opinion, understands it better.

    While I haven't always agreed with some of the things that Hatch has done, he has done much to keep the Democrats from totally giving away the farm on may issues. He largely kept Ted Kennedy in line. Most of the problem lately has been with "moderate/liberal" Republicans (Snow, Spector, Hagel, etc). Hatch is no moderat/progressive like you accuse him of being. He's conservative in the Ronald Reagan vein.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 12:58 p.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" tell us, what was the option to Hatch? Did we have a more conservative person available in the general election? Was there a person who better represented Utah during the general election?

    You and your ilk would have put in the most liberal canidate available. Would that have represented Utah or not? Is Utah a liberal or conservative state?

    Since I am not registered Republican, I could not do anything during the primary election.

    Again, are we to elect somebody who represents the state as a whole, or do we elect somebody based on your criteria alone?

  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Utah is a red state. Demcrats are almost extinct in this state. Utah sends people like Chafftez, Lee and Hatch to washington, where they do nothing except waste time. The nation or the state should not be ran with a 1 party rule. Corruption is sure to follow,( John Swallow) with no accountability being had by the party in power. Untill the voters in this state wake up and send these guys packing, like our republican state legislators, the state will continue to be dead last in education spending, and first in ignorance.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Jan. 15, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    @J Thompson

    Ever notice how boarish some people are when they pretend to have knowledge about something that is none of their business. One poster claimed he "knew" how another poster voted. How does he know? Was he there?


    So you don't like Senator Hatch, we get it.

    But I gotta ask the same question as Mike and RedShirt....

    Why did YOU vote for him?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    It seems that everybody is willing to give Hatch a pat on the back for voting to put each of us, man, woman and child, in debt to the government $50,000. That's right. The $16,000,000,000,000 deficit comes to $50,000 per person. That's the problem. Hatch ignores it, even though he campaigned to stop the spending, even though he campaigned to oppose Obama's budget policies.

    He caved.

    He caved the first time he had an opportunity to vote. He caved after having just six minutes to read a 150 page bill. He caved without knowing what he was voting for. He caved without thinking what he was doing to you and me and every other Utahn. He caved to political pressure.

    Four of his fellow Congressmen had the courage to stand for the principles of Utah. Even Jim Matheson voted against that bill. When four honorable men vote one way and one man votes the other way, what does that tell us about Hatch? Is he the "radical"? Is he the "rebel", or is he just someone who cares about Orrin Hatch?

    He thumbed his nose at his fellow Congressmen and everything that they stand for.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 15, 2013 5:43 a.m.

    I have no doubt that Hatch doesn't represent Mr. Richards. I have no problem. I am sure he doesn't represent a lot of people. But unlike Mr. Richards opinion, Hatch does represent Utah... and he represents a lot of Uthans who consider themselves just as much as conservatives as Mr. Richards - just not Mr. Richards brand of conservatism.

    It is all fine and good for anyone to have an opinion. It is grand to express that opinion. But it goes a bit beyond that to declare that Hatch doesn't represent this state, any of its people, or the constitution of this country. Hatch may not express Mr. Richards views, but it is safe to say Mr. Richards is not the arbitrator of what is or is not constitutional, or conservative. Opinions yes.... authority.... no so much.

    Bike Mikes voice is worthy of listening to, as is anyones voice.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:17 p.m.

    There is no doubt in my mind that if Hatch had lost in his primary he would not have thrown his support behind the Republican nominee a la Richard Lugar in Indiana. It doesn't really bother me that Hatch voted for the McConnell deal. I think it was smart to do that. But why make comments attacking the alleged "far right"? Is it going to be the tea party's fault when countries start dumping the dollar as their reserve currency and it all collapses? When it all falls apart though I'm sure Senator Hatch will be jetting away on a Gulfstream with Pelosi, Durbin, Schumer et al to warm latitudes far from the chaos that ensues.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:06 p.m.

    Wouldn't it be nice to just pat Hatch on the back and forgive him for putting me, my family, and my grandchildren $1,800,000 in debt to pay for the programs that he authorized as a Senator.

    He is worthy of every bit of contempt shown him because he treats us as if we were all fools. "Uncle Orrin" may think that he is benevolent, but he has bankrupted us. We will never be able to pay off his and his friends' pork barrel projects.

    He embodies everything that is wrong with the Senate. He promised to keep Obama from spending. The FIRST vote that he cast was to allow Obama to have unlimited spending.

    What do you call a man who does that? It certainly is not "friend of the people". Utah cannot afford him. America cannot afford him. If YOU can afford him, show us that you've paid in full the $50,000 that you now owe to the government because of the government's spending spree. After you've paid your bill in full, then we'll listen. Until then, please tell us just who you expect to pay your portion of the deficit.

  • glendenbg Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 4:50 p.m.

    @Mike Richards - I don't agree with Orrin Hatch on much of anything. I do not believe it is accurate to say he mocks the state of Utah, the people of Utah or the US Constitution.

    I have had the opportunity to meet with Sen. Hatch about various issues. He is very conservative, but deeply respectful of Utahns and our opinions; he is truly concerned about the well being of the people of Utah, the state of Utah and the United States of America. He takes seriously his role as our representative in the Senate and his oath of office. I don't agree with his policies but I respect him and I believe your characterization of him does not conform to the reality of his words or behaviors.

    We can disagree with one another's policy positions and politics without resorting to extreme rhetoric.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    Ever notice how boarish some people are when they pretend to have knowledge about something that is none of their business. One poster claimed he "knew" how another poster voted. How does he know? Was he there? Is it possible that Mike Richards wrote in Dan Lindquist? Is it possible that Mike didn't vote for that office? Is it possible that someone is so desperate to prove the unprovable that he would ASSUME something when he has absolutely no facts to support his claim?

    Hatch is a disgrace to Utah. He is a disgrace to anyone who trusted him. He is a disgrace to his party. He lied about how he would act as a Senator. As others have said, Hatch is taking a page out of Obama's play book and blaming others for his own failures. None of his spending has helped America. None of his bluster and bravado has helped Utah. We already have seen what he thinks of "integrity".

    We can be certain that he will do exactly has he has done for the past thrity-six years and that is to ignore the needs of Utah as he feathers his own bed.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    Hutterite: "I hope the GOP gets closer to the tea party."

    Of course you do. Liberals and their cohorts in the media have successfully convinced a large part of the American public that the tea party is a radical group. Instead of a legitimate protest group against abusive government power made up of ordinary citizens, it is often viewed as radical as the OWS crowd. A complete farce in my opinion.

    In fact, I'll bet a large number of liberal commenters on this site think that the OWS crowd is more "normal" than the tea party.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Mike Richards --

    1. You are a devote Republican, and have by your own admission stated you vote for the party, and not the person.
    2. You have never denied it.
    3. Your comments by themselves are telling.

    So, Why did YOU vote for him?

    RedShirt --
    Stop playing Spin-Doctor.

    Same Question...

    So, Why did YOU vote for him?

    Guess What ---
    I didn't vote for him.

    I have integrity.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    I hope the GOP gets closer to the tea party.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    There was one person in the voting booth when I cast my ballot and that person was me. No one, including members of my family watched me vote. Hatch was not there. My wife was not there. Not one other person was there.

    In communist Russia, everyone could see whether you voted with a "white marble" or whether you voted with a "black marble". This is not Russia, yet there are those who belittle citizenship by mocking those who vote. Insecure people mock others. Bullies mock others. Tyrants mock others. Christ and his followers don't mock.

    Hatch was elected to represent the State of Utah. He was elected to represent the interests of Utah. He was elected to uphold the Constitution.

    He does not uphold the Constitution.

    He does not represent the State of Utah.

    He does not represent the interests of Utah.

    Utah is the most conservative state in the nation. Hatch should be one of the two most conservative Senators in the nation. He MOCKS the people of Utah. He MOCKS the State of Utah. He MOCKS the Constitution that he is duty bound to uphold.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    I think that the letter is wrong. The radicals in the GOP are the Progressives that have taken control. Unfortunately Hatch often sides with those Progressives.

    If you look at the vote last election, the majority of Republicans voted for the canidate that most reflected the Tea Party conservative ideas. The radical Progressives opposed him, and tried to stop his canidacy.

    The radicals are the ones trying to brand themselves as different than the Democrats while taking the US to the same Socialist destination.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    Mike R. I think Hatch would say you are part of the problem. And Hatch was not the only Republican that voted for spending that "have Bankrupted" America. There were a whole bunch of sole called convervatives that joined in on that during the Bush years and sadly some democrats as well.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah
    Hatch cares about Hatch. He lied during his campaign. He lied during his thirty-six years in the Senate. He IS the problem.


    Why did YOU vote for him?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Hatch cares about Hatch. He lied during his campaign. He lied during his thirty-six years in the Senate. He IS the problem. He voted for the spending bills that have bankrupted America. Now, he joins with Obama in blaming people other than himself for the problem.

    He lied to us - intentionally. He promised us that he would stop the excessive spending. His first vote after the election was to increase spending and to pass as much of that cost onto a small percent of Americans.

    Maybe he can tell us just where in the Constitution he is allowed to redistribute wealth from one segment of society to another. I can't find that provision. There is no mention of "graduated taxes" in the Constitution, but there is mention of equal responsibility to pay taxes based on population - not on ability to pay.

    He lied to us about his intentions and now he mocks those who demand that elected officials abide by the rules set by the people. All government in America operates by the will of the people. No government in America has rights independent of the rights allocated to it by the people.

    Hatch ignores that restriction.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Great letter.

    There needs to be a Moderation is ALL things.

    It's an eternal principal.
    Even in politics.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 8:30 a.m.

    Great letter. Spot on