Dixie's ultimate tribute

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  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    lost in DC said:
    "Happy valley, Does 49.2% yet constitute a majority? You have no credibility."

    What are you eight years old, you've posted that a dozen times and I don't know where you even originally got it from.

    when you actually have something to contribute you should do so otherwise it's like talking to a child who just interrupts to be heard.

    Tradition is no excuse to continue bad behavior.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Jan. 13, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    Well southern pride does go hand in hand with the republican party. Proven by the fact they used to be democrats until LBJ passed the civil rights act and knew he had lost the south for democrats.

    Sure enough the south went republican protesting civil rights. A one issue mass change in party is pretty rare but it happened. There's your confederacy.

    It's not just the name of Dixie. Or show me the protests against Dixie cups. Your claims have no merit. Not until they have a rebel flag on the cups, then there will be.

    Dixie college through it's actions now needs a rebirth and new name. But the board already decided that so you can huff and puff all you want that it shouldn't be so but they have already decided themselves that their confederacy imitating days are behind them.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    @lost in DC -- Are you trying to say it is "conservative" to honor the Confederacy? I don't think conservatism = Southern pride, but what do I know I guess.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    To sergio 10:24 a.m. Jan. 11

    Eventually, you get used to JCS's Joe McCarthy like rants.

    To lost in DC 11:06 a.m. Jan. 12
    West Jordan, UT

    "Or do you just enjoy harping at Utah conservatives?"

    I know I get a fair share of laughs that way but truthfully... its like shooting fish in a barrel.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    Happy valley,
    Does 49.2% yet constitute a majority? You have no credibility.

    See my 2:24 pm 1/11 post. Are you demanding all those schools and highways honoring confederate leaders change their names? What have you done in that regard? How about Rice University? Or do you just enjoy harping at Utah conservatives?

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    Ok all you people who think Black people (and people of compassion) should "just get over it", how's this -- next time in a church meeting when anyone says anything about how badly the pioneers were persecuted or how badly LDS people are persecuted today, I want you to stand up and tell the complainer to "get over it". If your ancestors had been held as slaves for hundreds of years and then after they were freed were not allowed to drink out of the same water fountains, live in the same neighborhoods, etc,. as other people in the community, then you might just have a clue about how offensive it is to glorify the Confederacy (whose sole purpose was to retain the institution of slavery for southern landowners.) PC nothing. It's common respect and decency to think that perhaps others might not like to see their neighbors glorifying "the South".

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 12, 2013 12:05 a.m.

    Re: ". . . name it Pioneer University."

    I think the folks in Dixie need mascot-naming advice from people living in North Salt Lake, about as much as Salk Lakers need advice from Dixie on what to rename the Utes.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    If it had been called Mountain Meadows University would you still feel the same.
    To conservatives rich white guys are the only ones who experience racism.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    from your comment I don't think you'd be satisfied until they closed the school and razed the buildings and built a memorial to Kunta Kinte on the grounds.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    A very one sidedview is being protrayed in the DN. Shame on all of you.

    From FOX NEWS!

    St. George community activists gave FOX 13 a number of pictures taken from 40 years of yearbooks at Dixie State College. Those yearbooks were entitled “The Confederate.” They showed students hoisting the confederate flag, students performing skits in blackface, and even portraying slaves on parade floats.

    Now, Dixie State College officials are considering an apology for those incidents dating back to the 1960s. At next week’s Board of Trustees meeting, school officials will choose a name and an “acknowledgment” will be made.

    “Even with the statues being gone, there’s Confederate memorabilia,” said Roi Wilkins, a Dixie State College student who opposes the “Dixie” name. “You go into the old gym and there’s (pictures of) guys wearing Confederate shirts. You’ve just got to get all that stuff out and say ‘sorry,’ and we’re good.”

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 2:24 p.m.

    Before we change the name of a Utah institution, we need to DEMAND:

    the Jefferson Davis Highway in Virginia
    Stonewall Jackson High Schools in Manassas and Quicksburg VA,
    Robert E Lee High Schools in Springfield and Staunton, VA; Montgomery, AL; Jacksonville, FL; Tyler, San Antonia, Baytown, and Houston, TX;
    the Dixie High Schools in Due West, SC; Ft Mitchell, KY; New Lebanon, OH; ST George, UT;
    JEB Stuart, High in Falls Church, VA
    Dixie COUNTY, FL

    you get the idea...

    all be renamed

    And while we're at it, since William Marsh Rice just wanted white males educated at his university, we need to change that name, too - and can no longer call ANYTHING rice because it MUST be racist. I have to admit, "rice" is a lot easier to say than "that white centered [I hope "white centered" does not come off as racist] grain that grows in swamps".

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    The central section of the home was completed in 1818. Arlington won out as a name over Mount Washington, which is what George Washington Parke Custis first intended calling the 1,100-acre tract of land that he had inherited at the death of his father when he was 3. “Arlington” was the name of the Custis family ancestral estate in the Virginia tidewater area. Custis' only child, Mary Anna Randolph Custis, married her childhood friend and distant cousin, Robert E. Lee. Lee was the son of former three-term Virginia Governor Henry ("Light Horse Harry") Lee and was himself a graduate of West Point. It is incorrect that the house was named later, per the national park service. Lee was later buried at Washington and Lee University grounds. Imagine how naming a university after a confederate war hero would prevent out side people from coming. So why is a statue of confederate soldiers bad?

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 12:48 p.m.

    Ummm, Your close on the Arlington Cemetery thing. But the house was renamed the Arlington House after the area was designated as a cemetery. So your right, Lee was involved, but the cemetery wasn't named after his house. His house was renamed after the cemetery. And really, the bigger point is this. As a native Utahn I understand where people are coming from with the Dixie name. But out of state people won't get it, and a University isn't supposed to cater to a regional audience. A University should be striving to get the best students, from all over the country. If Dixie wants to just pull in students from St George maybe it's best if they just remain a college.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    And I married a girl whose great great grandfather served in both the Confederate army first, and then in the United States Army second.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    And by the way, The Arlington National Cemetery is named after the home of Robert E. Lee, who served at the request of his country.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    The idea that Dixie denotes racism and slavery is as bigoted and ignorant as can be. "Confederate and why famous Confederate civil war generals had statues on campus until a few months ago" Really, most of the officers of the Confederate army and navy served in the United States Army and Navy both before and after the civil war. In the Arlington National Cemetery lie over 450 soldiers and officers of the Confederate. A statue and monument honoring the confederate soldiers both white and black stands in the Arlington National Cemetery. Yet you fail to recognize that Woodrow Wilson segregated the US Army and Navy in a racist action, but you honor his racist attitudes and accomplishments.
    As for mock slave auctions, how many charity bachelor auctions and bacheloret auctions take place each year. In effect mock slave auctions. I don't hear you castigating their racist attitudes. Your hate for the word confederate is pure bigotry.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    This has become the extreme version of political correctness (absurdity) similar to the SLC school that would not allow the name cougar to be their mascot. In these cases, names represent what you want them to represent. "Dixie" implies south and "cougar" implies mountain lion, not slavery or predatory females.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    Yes we should seek to be polite. But I also think there many who are either hypersensitive, or are looking to take offense, where none is intended. Nursing that trait is a tough way to live, unless you live a hermit's life.

    There are words which were used to offend and insult various races. They would be inappropriate names. Dixie is not one of them. It is not intended to be offensive. It describes a southern warm climate place.

    It is not racial, or discriminatory, so why ban it?

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    @John Charity Spring, It must be a very confusing world for some people who don't know their left from their right.

  • Noodlekaboodle Millcreek, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    JCS, Teka
    Ok guys. These are straw man arguments. Teka, if in Algebra class you had statues of famous supporters of Arab slave owners and held mock slave auctions where you dressed up as Arabs and sold people we should change the name. JCS, me, you and any other Utah taxpayer have just as much right to input on the name as the people of Washington County. Our tax $$$ goes toward paying for the school we all have the right to give input on the name. Not just conservatives and not just people who live near the school. Remind me again why the yearbook was called the Confederate and why famous Confederate civil war generals had statues on campus until a few months ago if the name has nothing to do with slavery or racism?

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Jan. 11, 2013 7:10 a.m.

    This letter is just another left wing attack against freedom of choice. Contrary to the premise of this letter, the people of St. George should have the right to honor their forefathers.

    The left uses the doctrine of political correctness to attack all speech with which it disagrees. The left claims that because any possible group may take any possible offense, the speech should be prohibited.

    The people of Utah's Dixie must remain true to their heritage. They cannot let themselves be bullied by left wing extremists.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Jan. 11, 2013 6:35 a.m.

    If you are going to blacklist any reference to a culture because of what they did, where does it end?

    I think that the people who are complaining about the reference to Dixie may be basically ignorant about history and multiculturalism.

    Do we want to go through native Americans, Polynesians, Europeans, orientals, India, Japan, Brazil, Hispanic culture and pull out our history books and excise anyone and everyone who did something immoral?

    No salsa dancing. The slave trade to Brazil was six times what it was to North America. No Cinqo de Mayo. Mexicans massacred Apaches worse than North Americans. I retell legends and reserch poetry from societies which formerly practiced cannibalism and infanticide. I guess that needs to go. Maybe all we can do is tell Scandinavian stories when it comes to multi-cultural week. The Norse pillaged northern Europe but that was a long time ago so I guess it is OK, now.

    We have to throw out Al-Jabra (Algebra) that came from Arabs and they had slavery too.

    Learn from the bad as well as the good. But don't ignore it.