And how is taking away our defenses going to protect us? That's right, it
won't. There's more to this than simply wanting to save a
single life. It has a lot to do with control, expanded power, and finally
tyranny. It has everything to do with freedom. I'm amazed at
how quickly the American people have been lulled, duped, and now willingly give
up all liberty and freedom. They've been bought and sold.This
issue will not go down without a fight. And an executive order will only invite
civil unrest. Oh, by the way, this president knows the fight's coming.
That's why government agencies (not the Defense Department) have purchased
1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammo during the past year. They're
expecting to use it against us. Don't believe me? Look it up.
Re: "Is it time to put distorted rhetoric aside and start looking for things
that make good sense without demonizing others?"Oh, it's
way past time.We've have a Second amendment that has made good
sense for more than 200 years. It's WAY past time that liberals put
distorted rhetoric aside and start recognizing it, without demonizing others.
old man,the PATRIOT Act was extended by a dem congress and reauthorized by
a dem POTUS.we did not have stripper visions in all the airports
when bush was POTUS.and what, you don't like you're own
words being used on you?and repeating the same quote twice does not
mean two people said it.Redshirt,liberals NEVER complain about
dem dictators - didn't you know that by now?
CONGRESS is the body that makes the laws. If another entity starts to make them
(up), we are looking at a choice - do we follow an un-constitutional law change?
To "Darrel" "executive action" is not the same as a
recommendation. Either Obama is going to try and make law through
"executive orders" or else Joe Biden is totally incompetent and has no
idea what is going at the white house. No matter how you look at it, it
doesn't look good for this administration.
@RedShirt Why not wait to see what the recommendations are before we
start screaming "dictator?"
one old man:[ways to identify and treat people who appear to their
neighbors to be mentally unstable.]I believe that was the
methodology used for Witch Hunts.
Why is it that the liberals cried "dictator" any time Bush wanted to
push his policies through congress, yet have no problem with Obama creating laws
through "executive action"?Where is the outrage that Obama
and Biden are acting like dictators?
Lost, may I point out a couple of cases right here in which the patriotism of
people who disagree with some of the pro-gun folks is questioned?"bring in some educated, and honorable people with common sense. Patriots
who love the country.""bring in some educated, and honorable
people with common sense. Patriots who love the country."And
when it comes to deliberate distortion of facts, here's one who
conveniently forgets that it was President Cheney and his conservative little
buddy who brought about the Patriot Act which: "We are all now subject to
unreasonable search and seizure in our telephone calls and internet use,"Is it time to put distorted rhetoric aside and start looking for things
that make good sense without demonizing others?
ProcurSecular progressives long ago won their assault on the first
amendment freedom of religion, the 4th (stripper visions at the airports), and
the 14th (Affirmative action denies equal protection). Is it any wonder they
are going after the 2nd?Xscribe,No is going to lose their
guns... that is what they said in Australia when they required a registry; next
thing you know, the guns were confiscated.Old man,Where, in
all of Biden and BO's bluster do they address the REAL cause of the recent
mass shooting - mental health? NOWHERE. They are abiding by Rahm
Emmanuel's mantra, never let a good crisis go to waste.And you
seem to be accusing anyone more moderate than yourself, or anyone not agreeing
with you, of being unpatriotic
What's really disturbing is the large number of comments here that use
hatred, fear, paranoia, and NRA catchphrases like "oppressive
government." They accuse anyone who is more moderate than they are of being
unpatriotic.Whatever happened to the idea that good sense is a
valuable part of American democracy. People who spout opinions like many here
are not being sensible. Instead, they are being part of the problem.SENSIBLE control of guns and ammo are long overdue. I hope we, as Americans,
will somehow find the way and will to enact -- and then enforce them. Sensible
gun control must go hand-in-hand with sensible ways to identify and treat people
who appear to their neighbors to be mentally unstable.It's not
going to be easy, but it must happen.
@ Manny You have it right on. This is how it works. How do you eat and
elephant? One bite at a time. King Bronco is right on his agenda. He told the
Russian President of his intentions. Remember I will have more leeway after the
election. Communism is here alive and well.
"I want to make it clear that we are not going to get caught up in the
notion (that) unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing,"
Biden said. "It's critically important (that) we act."I
think this is wonderful! No one is advocating complete gun take over. It is a
false argument given to advocate doing nothing.I think the problem
lies in that we have to wait for a tragedy before we do anything. The excellent
article published shortly after the tragedy "I am Adam Lanza's
mother" beautifully showed this. We are strongly advised to get
an annual physical checkup, go to the dentist at twice a year, why not an hour
with a shrink a year? This would help anyone just analyze their life and its
direction, pick up a few coping skills a long the way, and dispel the awful
notion of that seeking mental help is somehow a weakness.Why would
anyone not in law enforcement need 30 round clips? Why not teach basic gun
safety in schools? Why not set up training on how to properly react to a mass
shooting? There is plenty of room for discussion without hysteria.
Utah is a very popular CCW license state. Very popular with out of staters.Why?Valid for 5 YearsValid in 34 StatesNO
SHOOTING required for the courseNo testSo, people can get a
license to carry a concealed weapon without every firing the weapon.Does that make sense to anyone? Seriously?To you gun enthusiasts.
Would you be comfortable around someone who is carrying, but has never shot the
"Vice President Joe Biden says president will move on guns, mentions
executive action"I don't think he will get far until he
runs into the Second Amendment.
Sorry xscribe,After the way Obamacare was passed, I believe everything
this administration says they are going to do.Maybe you should take
a step back, stop mocking those who believe the words that came straight from
these people's mouths, and question what your dear leader is up to.
America is the last major power to force its citizens into disarmament. After
the Obama executive order, we will have no ability to control tyrants foreign or
domestic with firepower. We may have to learn to bow to a dictator and obey a
less heavenly law like the rest of the enslaved world. "We
believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in
obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." LDS 12th Article of Faith
I think there will be some compromise to suit rational gun owners as pressures
begin to build. States should have more say about what goes on within their
boundries. Gun ownership and use varies state by state. It is a state issue, not
that of the Federal Government. Of course, our present administration is power
hungry. They will have to be watched and controlled. Let the states handle the
issues and enforce the laws. Ther rambos will have to modify their activities
and attitudes. This, from a Life Memger of the NRA with over 60 years tenure and
a CC permit holder. I've seen it all. Moderation always wins out. We must
make Criminals who use guns in crimes pay the full penalty and justice should be
swift. this is one of our problems in this liberal society.
xscribe,You say corruption should run me out of the country?
You're so patriotic.
This assault weapons ban will be a declaration of war on the american people.
The people wont lose.
"We need more guns; everyone should be armed; classes full" Who are the ones freaking out?I'll say it for the third time:
No one is going to lose their guns, at least the ones without 30-round clips
and assault-type weapons. I've heard this since I was a kid. It's
not going to happen.Worf: It would seem it is time for you to move,
as you seem very dissatisfied with this country. And why wait another four
years to see if your type of president is elected? Because your type might not
get elected, and then you'll have another four years. I've heard you
say great things about Switzerland. I'd start there!
Re: ". . . radical progressive liberals have been waiting for a moment in
time like we have right now to enact their real agenda. . . . [f]irst they go
after the 2nd Amendment. Then the 1st, then the 4th and so on."Actually, they started long ago with the 4th. We are all now subject to
unreasonable search and seizure in our telephone calls and internet use, to
"safety" and "environmental" inspections in our factories and
workplaces that may result in large fines, even jail time. Even in our homes --
before the body of a recently-deceased loved is even cold, if they needed
narcotic painkillers during the final illness.And, liberals already
established a secular religion, in violation of the 1st. One that can dictate to
what religious practices are acceptable, and that believing people violate their
conscience, funding [day-after pill] abortions, as well as offering them in
employee health plans. Even performing or assisting surgical abortions, if
they're medical providers.We're way, WAY further down that
road to liberal totalitarianism than many people realize.
Evidence Obama loves this country:* control of health care, so
we'll all be healthy* wants our money, and possessions to equally
redistribute* wants our guns, so we won't hurt ourselves* wants
total control of our schools, so we'll all be educated* make sure
everyone is taken care of.No wonder he won re-election.
Re: ". . . president will move on guns, mentions executive action."Which could NOT be a clearer violation of the Second Amendment.High crime or misdemeanor?He probably won't be found guilty,
since the Senate is so highly politicized. But that doesn't change the
essential nature of the act -- our Nation's President, the highest ranking
law-enforcement official in the land, a man who swore an oath to uphold the
Constitution and to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic, someone
who supposedly taught Constitutional Law, is now "discussing" ways to
infringe the right of the people to keep and bear arms.Truly, truly
@No Fit~That's an interesting take. I'm curious where you got
that information. The free gun class in Salt Lake for educators in December was
reported as being mostly female. Reuters just reported yesterday that hundreds
of teachers from Ohio and Texas have been flocking to gun classes, and 40% of
them in Ohio were women. Last week, I attended my concealed carry permit
class-specifically for women. The class was full.
We need to flush out the entire government, and bring in some educated, and
honorable people with common sense. Patriots who love the country.
Nothing will come of this. BO will look like Don Quioxte trying to take on the
NRA and all the gun advocates. Seems ridiculous that mandatory back ground
checks for all gun purchases is not required but America has become the country
of the Ridiculous.
I don't think an administration that is trying to take away guns would set
up a meeting with the NRA to try and work with them and get some ideas from
their side. Reasonable measures like 100% background checks, gun
registration database, and longer periods for a more detailed background check
are not infringing on rights. I would go further and say that automatic weapons
ban should be re-issued and that sale of extended magazine clips should stopped.
I don't need a grenade, RPG, or Nuclear Weapon in my possession to protect
myself or my property. There should be some level of rational thinking where
weapons that should six bullets in one second are not meant to be on the
streets.More guns is not the answer just like more water is not the
answer for drowning victims.
@ MukkakeIndeed, I'm sure they will. As #Manny stated, we are
at a crossroads in our nation. If people are afraid of guns and still refuse to
get trained and more about them, then fine! Remain ignorant and live in fear of
firearms (bad idea, in my opinion). Instead, you could learn how to
safely handle them, and recognize them for what they are: tools that in the
right hands keep the peace, maintain liberty, and protect innocent lives. Or, you could continue to run around tweakin' out like a chicken
with its head chopped off, blaming guns and plan on selling our liberty for a
mess of security-pottage...
no fit in SG:[Mothers and women across this country are organizing to
assist President Obama and Vice President Biden.]And I'm sure
the rapists will thank them.
We are currently at a tipping point in our nations history. The radical
progressive liberals have been waiting for a moment in time like we have right
now to enact their real agenda. They say they are pushing for some gun control
measures, for safety, but what they really want is "total control".
First they go after the 2nd Amendment. Then the 1st, then the 4th and so on.
Before you know it, the basic rights you thought you had are GONE. I don't
want to sound like a conspiracy theory advocate, but the evidence is right
there. Just listen to what they say, how they say it and so on. For whatever
reason, there is a group of folks who believe it would be better to do away with
the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. While in the 1970's in high
school, I learned about oppressive governments. I never ever thought I would
live to see the day when the USA would give way to radical progressive ways of
thinking that destroyed countries years ago. It's very troubling to watch
this happen. Why aren't our elected Senators and Congressmen not going
ballistic over this activity??
@no fit in SGI know plenty of mothers who prefer to be armed than
not...Also, taking away guns from law abiding citizens won't
remove them from criminal hands...New restrictions "will simply
not be the answer" as you say.
Mothers and women across this country are organizing to assist President Obama
and Vice President Biden.No other group has the emotional stamina and
staying power to get this accomplished.Wonder if the NRA will be ready for
this fight, a fight where using their guns will simply not be the answer.
this is typical Obama - knee jerk reaction which solves nothing. Bad guys will
always get guns - always. The ONLY way to stop a bad guy with a guy is a good
guy with a gun. Emphasize GOOD guy. A GOOD guy with a gun has been trained how
to use a gun - has NO prior criminal record - has NO mental health issues which
would compromise gun use. Any sort of restriction solves absolutely nothing -
the bad guys still get the guns and knives and explosives etc... I have the
right to protect myself and family and if I want to use pepper spray or an AR15
semi-auto rifle is up to me. Waiting for the cops to show up is is too late as
we have seen in all of these mass shootings. The damage has already been done
and all the cops do are place the dead into body bags. Other countries already
arm their citizens and the violent crime rates drop significantly. Some US
cities ban guns (Chicago) and the violent crime rate sky rockets. You can choose
to have common sense laws or political laws that do nothing. Obama is all
What we've been doing up to this point hasn't worked.