Vice President Joe Biden says president will move on guns, mentions executive action

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  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    And how is taking away our defenses going to protect us? That's right, it won't.

    There's more to this than simply wanting to save a single life. It has a lot to do with control, expanded power, and finally tyranny. It has everything to do with freedom.

    I'm amazed at how quickly the American people have been lulled, duped, and now willingly give up all liberty and freedom. They've been bought and sold.

    This issue will not go down without a fight. And an executive order will only invite civil unrest. Oh, by the way, this president knows the fight's coming. That's why government agencies (not the Defense Department) have purchased 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammo during the past year. They're expecting to use it against us. Don't believe me? Look it up.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 6:24 p.m.

    Re: "Is it time to put distorted rhetoric aside and start looking for things that make good sense without demonizing others?"

    Oh, it's way past time.

    We've have a Second amendment that has made good sense for more than 200 years. It's WAY past time that liberals put distorted rhetoric aside and start recognizing it, without demonizing others.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    old man,
    the PATRIOT Act was extended by a dem congress and reauthorized by a dem POTUS.

    we did not have stripper visions in all the airports when bush was POTUS.

    and what, you don't like you're own words being used on you?

    and repeating the same quote twice does not mean two people said it.

    liberals NEVER complain about dem dictators - didn't you know that by now?

  • cindyacre Shelley, ID
    Jan. 10, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    CONGRESS is the body that makes the laws. If another entity starts to make them (up), we are looking at a choice - do we follow an un-constitutional law change?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    To "Darrel" "executive action" is not the same as a recommendation. Either Obama is going to try and make law through "executive orders" or else Joe Biden is totally incompetent and has no idea what is going at the white house. No matter how you look at it, it doesn't look good for this administration.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 12:19 p.m.


    Why not wait to see what the recommendations are before we start screaming "dictator?"

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    one old man:
    [ways to identify and treat people who appear to their neighbors to be mentally unstable.]

    I believe that was the methodology used for Witch Hunts.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Why is it that the liberals cried "dictator" any time Bush wanted to push his policies through congress, yet have no problem with Obama creating laws through "executive action"?

    Where is the outrage that Obama and Biden are acting like dictators?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Lost, may I point out a couple of cases right here in which the patriotism of people who disagree with some of the pro-gun folks is questioned?

    "bring in some educated, and honorable people with common sense. Patriots who love the country."

    "bring in some educated, and honorable people with common sense. Patriots who love the country."

    And when it comes to deliberate distortion of facts, here's one who conveniently forgets that it was President Cheney and his conservative little buddy who brought about the Patriot Act which: "We are all now subject to unreasonable search and seizure in our telephone calls and internet use,"

    Is it time to put distorted rhetoric aside and start looking for things that make good sense without demonizing others?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    Secular progressives long ago won their assault on the first amendment freedom of religion, the 4th (stripper visions at the airports), and the 14th (Affirmative action denies equal protection). Is it any wonder they are going after the 2nd?

    No is going to lose their guns... that is what they said in Australia when they required a registry; next thing you know, the guns were confiscated.

    Old man,
    Where, in all of Biden and BO's bluster do they address the REAL cause of the recent mass shooting - mental health? NOWHERE. They are abiding by Rahm Emmanuel's mantra, never let a good crisis go to waste.

    And you seem to be accusing anyone more moderate than yourself, or anyone not agreeing with you, of being unpatriotic

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    What's really disturbing is the large number of comments here that use hatred, fear, paranoia, and NRA catchphrases like "oppressive government." They accuse anyone who is more moderate than they are of being unpatriotic.

    Whatever happened to the idea that good sense is a valuable part of American democracy. People who spout opinions like many here are not being sensible. Instead, they are being part of the problem.

    SENSIBLE control of guns and ammo are long overdue. I hope we, as Americans, will somehow find the way and will to enact -- and then enforce them. Sensible gun control must go hand-in-hand with sensible ways to identify and treat people who appear to their neighbors to be mentally unstable.

    It's not going to be easy, but it must happen.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    @ Manny You have it right on. This is how it works. How do you eat and elephant? One bite at a time. King Bronco is right on his agenda. He told the Russian President of his intentions. Remember I will have more leeway after the election. Communism is here alive and well.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 10, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    "I want to make it clear that we are not going to get caught up in the notion (that) unless we can do everything we're going to do nothing," Biden said. "It's critically important (that) we act."

    I think this is wonderful! No one is advocating complete gun take over. It is a false argument given to advocate doing nothing.

    I think the problem lies in that we have to wait for a tragedy before we do anything. The excellent article published shortly after the tragedy "I am Adam Lanza's mother" beautifully showed this.

    We are strongly advised to get an annual physical checkup, go to the dentist at twice a year, why not an hour with a shrink a year? This would help anyone just analyze their life and its direction, pick up a few coping skills a long the way, and dispel the awful notion of that seeking mental help is somehow a weakness.

    Why would anyone not in law enforcement need 30 round clips? Why not teach basic gun safety in schools? Why not set up training on how to properly react to a mass shooting?

    There is plenty of room for discussion without hysteria.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 10, 2013 7:23 a.m.

    Utah is a very popular CCW license state. Very popular with out of staters.


    Valid for 5 Years
    Valid in 34 States
    NO SHOOTING required for the course
    No test

    So, people can get a license to carry a concealed weapon without every firing the weapon.

    Does that make sense to anyone? Seriously?

    To you gun enthusiasts. Would you be comfortable around someone who is carrying, but has never shot the weapon?

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:05 p.m.

    "Vice President Joe Biden says president will move on guns, mentions executive action"

    I don't think he will get far until he runs into the Second Amendment.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    Sorry xscribe,
    After the way Obamacare was passed, I believe everything this administration says they are going to do.

    Maybe you should take a step back, stop mocking those who believe the words that came straight from these people's mouths, and question what your dear leader is up to.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 9:39 p.m.

    America is the last major power to force its citizens into disarmament. After the Obama executive order, we will have no ability to control tyrants foreign or domestic with firepower. We may have to learn to bow to a dictator and obey a less heavenly law like the rest of the enslaved world.

    "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." LDS 12th Article of Faith

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 9:39 p.m.

    I think there will be some compromise to suit rational gun owners as pressures begin to build. States should have more say about what goes on within their boundries. Gun ownership and use varies state by state. It is a state issue, not that of the Federal Government. Of course, our present administration is power hungry. They will have to be watched and controlled. Let the states handle the issues and enforce the laws. Ther rambos will have to modify their activities and attitudes. This, from a Life Memger of the NRA with over 60 years tenure and a CC permit holder. I've seen it all. Moderation always wins out. We must make Criminals who use guns in crimes pay the full penalty and justice should be swift. this is one of our problems in this liberal society.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 9, 2013 9:11 p.m.


    You say corruption should run me out of the country? You're so patriotic.

  • tejas washington, utah
    Jan. 9, 2013 8:50 p.m.

    This assault weapons ban will be a declaration of war on the american people. The people wont lose.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 9, 2013 8:49 p.m.

    "We need more guns; everyone should be armed; classes full"

    Who are the ones freaking out?

    I'll say it for the third time: No one is going to lose their guns, at least the ones without 30-round clips and assault-type weapons. I've heard this since I was a kid. It's not going to happen.

    Worf: It would seem it is time for you to move, as you seem very dissatisfied with this country. And why wait another four years to see if your type of president is elected? Because your type might not get elected, and then you'll have another four years. I've heard you say great things about Switzerland. I'd start there!

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    Re: ". . . radical progressive liberals have been waiting for a moment in time like we have right now to enact their real agenda. . . . [f]irst they go after the 2nd Amendment. Then the 1st, then the 4th and so on."

    Actually, they started long ago with the 4th. We are all now subject to unreasonable search and seizure in our telephone calls and internet use, to "safety" and "environmental" inspections in our factories and workplaces that may result in large fines, even jail time. Even in our homes -- before the body of a recently-deceased loved is even cold, if they needed narcotic painkillers during the final illness.

    And, liberals already established a secular religion, in violation of the 1st. One that can dictate to what religious practices are acceptable, and that believing people violate their conscience, funding [day-after pill] abortions, as well as offering them in employee health plans. Even performing or assisting surgical abortions, if they're medical providers.

    We're way, WAY further down that road to liberal totalitarianism than many people realize.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    Evidence Obama loves this country:

    * control of health care, so we'll all be healthy
    * wants our money, and possessions to equally redistribute
    * wants our guns, so we won't hurt ourselves
    * wants total control of our schools, so we'll all be educated
    * make sure everyone is taken care of.

    No wonder he won re-election.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    Re: ". . . president will move on guns, mentions executive action."

    Which could NOT be a clearer violation of the Second Amendment.

    High crime or misdemeanor?

    He probably won't be found guilty, since the Senate is so highly politicized. But that doesn't change the essential nature of the act -- our Nation's President, the highest ranking law-enforcement official in the land, a man who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic, someone who supposedly taught Constitutional Law, is now "discussing" ways to infringe the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

    Truly, truly sad.

  • LoveLife Riverton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    @No Fit~
    That's an interesting take. I'm curious where you got that information. The free gun class in Salt Lake for educators in December was reported as being mostly female. Reuters just reported yesterday that hundreds of teachers from Ohio and Texas have been flocking to gun classes, and 40% of them in Ohio were women. Last week, I attended my concealed carry permit class-specifically for women. The class was full.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 9, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    We need to flush out the entire government, and bring in some educated, and honorable people with common sense. Patriots who love the country.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    Nothing will come of this. BO will look like Don Quioxte trying to take on the NRA and all the gun advocates. Seems ridiculous that mandatory back ground checks for all gun purchases is not required but America has become the country of the Ridiculous.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    I don't think an administration that is trying to take away guns would set up a meeting with the NRA to try and work with them and get some ideas from their side.

    Reasonable measures like 100% background checks, gun registration database, and longer periods for a more detailed background check are not infringing on rights. I would go further and say that automatic weapons ban should be re-issued and that sale of extended magazine clips should stopped. I don't need a grenade, RPG, or Nuclear Weapon in my possession to protect myself or my property. There should be some level of rational thinking where weapons that should six bullets in one second are not meant to be on the streets.

    More guns is not the answer just like more water is not the answer for drowning victims.

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    @ Mukkake

    Indeed, I'm sure they will. As #Manny stated, we are at a crossroads in our nation. If people are afraid of guns and still refuse to get trained and more about them, then fine! Remain ignorant and live in fear of firearms (bad idea, in my opinion).

    Instead, you could learn how to safely handle them, and recognize them for what they are: tools that in the right hands keep the peace, maintain liberty, and protect innocent lives.

    Or, you could continue to run around tweakin' out like a chicken with its head chopped off, blaming guns and plan on selling our liberty for a mess of security-pottage...

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    no fit in SG:
    [Mothers and women across this country are organizing to assist President Obama and Vice President Biden.]

    And I'm sure the rapists will thank them.

  • Manny Saint George, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    We are currently at a tipping point in our nations history. The radical progressive liberals have been waiting for a moment in time like we have right now to enact their real agenda. They say they are pushing for some gun control measures, for safety, but what they really want is "total control". First they go after the 2nd Amendment. Then the 1st, then the 4th and so on. Before you know it, the basic rights you thought you had are GONE. I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theory advocate, but the evidence is right there. Just listen to what they say, how they say it and so on. For whatever reason, there is a group of folks who believe it would be better to do away with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. While in the 1970's in high school, I learned about oppressive governments. I never ever thought I would live to see the day when the USA would give way to radical progressive ways of thinking that destroyed countries years ago. It's very troubling to watch this happen. Why aren't our elected Senators and Congressmen not going ballistic over this activity??

  • teleste Austin, TX
    Jan. 9, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    @no fit in SG

    I know plenty of mothers who prefer to be armed than not...

    Also, taking away guns from law abiding citizens won't remove them from criminal hands...

    New restrictions "will simply not be the answer" as you say.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    Mothers and women across this country are organizing to assist President Obama and Vice President Biden.
    No other group has the emotional stamina and staying power to get this accomplished.
    Wonder if the NRA will be ready for this fight, a fight where using their guns will simply not be the answer.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:20 a.m.

    this is typical Obama - knee jerk reaction which solves nothing. Bad guys will always get guns - always. The ONLY way to stop a bad guy with a guy is a good guy with a gun. Emphasize GOOD guy. A GOOD guy with a gun has been trained how to use a gun - has NO prior criminal record - has NO mental health issues which would compromise gun use. Any sort of restriction solves absolutely nothing - the bad guys still get the guns and knives and explosives etc... I have the right to protect myself and family and if I want to use pepper spray or an AR15 semi-auto rifle is up to me. Waiting for the cops to show up is is too late as we have seen in all of these mass shootings. The damage has already been done and all the cops do are place the dead into body bags. Other countries already arm their citizens and the violent crime rates drop significantly. Some US cities ban guns (Chicago) and the violent crime rate sky rockets. You can choose to have common sense laws or political laws that do nothing. Obama is all politics.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    What we've been doing up to this point hasn't worked.