Capitol Hill 'divas'

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  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Jan. 4, 2013 5:54 a.m.

    The phone program you are referring to is called Lifeline, and provides assistance for phone service to the poor. Like food stamps and medical care. It was started in 1985 and expanded to include cell phones in 2008. Both of which preceded Obama, so I am not sure why you think it is honest to hang it on him. Pop quiz, who was president during 1985 and 2008? Conservatives frequently lied during the campaign by claiming that Obama promised free cell phones to win votes. That's been debunked, and that is "the truth of the matter". And I never said or suggested that phone companies were providing this service, so don't put words in my mouth in an attempt to make your flawed argument stronger.

    Perhaps it was rude to call Mike Lee a blowhard. He is, however, an extremist and an embarrassment who has less influence and garners far less respect than his predecessor. I'm sorry if you like him, but that is the truth.

    The 2% rise in payroll taxes is the byproduct of a dysfunctional congress that should have addressed these issues long ago. Conservatives share the blame, so don't try to hide from it.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    is it the phone?

    I do realize that Obama himself does not personally physically hand out or pay for all the phones. They are funded by government-collected telecommunication fees (ie a tax), paid by consumers (not the phone companies).

    Obama happily takes credit by lending his name to these Obamaphones, and his picture for the website, similar to the way he likes the use of the term Obamacare, as he stated in the debates. He was well paid for that name association, in votes. That is the truth of the matter.

    Don’t try the lie that the phone companies pay for the phones. I have looked it up. I know it is a lie. Phone companies are saddled with collecting the tax for the federal government, in the same way stores are saddled with collecting sales tax for local governments. Taxes pay for the phones. Taxpayers pay for them. And Obama takes the credit for them and gullible people voted for him based on that.

    By the way, some people who qualify for a free government cell (Obama)phone, will be getting a tax increase. Don't you love that? I don't.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 10:54 p.m.

    Emajor You say that Mike Lee is a blowhard, and then pretend that you are speaking in generalities.

    Your liberal friends say:
    "Chaffetz, Bishop, Lee, Hatch, etc need to go the way of the dodo bird...". You realize the dodo is extinct, as in dead. So Mav is wishing death on these men. Okay with that?

    "Jan is talking about the recently reelected Utah delegation being divas." (Jan actually didn't say that.) So Grover says the Utah delegation are all Divas and you're okay with that.

    "Dude, you just compared John Boehner to Paris Hilton. Awesome." So John Boener is a spoiled rich heiress? Such a civil comment.

    Why so offended? Is it who I applied it to? Women? Diva is generally applied to women only. The 5 characteristics? They fit with the dictionary. The untouchable Obamas? They are not perfect. Get over it. Or is it that your tolerance ends when criticism is aimed at the democrats?

    Or the tax increase? Everyone getting a check from an employer will have a 2% tax increase. FICA went back up. Didn't you hear? That hits every class, not just the rich. Obama has promised to sign it.


  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 8:56 p.m.

    You can avoid watching the movie or tv show by doing nothing. But sending the same people to washington over and over takes effort. Which 'divas' should you be using as the bad example to which you compare the others? Hollywood is subject to public fickle. But we'll do anything for someone with the R beside their name in utah.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:14 p.m.

    So why do we here in Utah keep voting the same way?

    If we want change then we need to change who we keep sending to DC.

    Chaffetz, Bishop, Lee, Hatch, etc need to go the way of the dodo bird...

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    It's no wonder this country is so polarized and nothing gets done in our national government when someone writes a non-partisan letter to the paper complaining about general government incompetence, and folks like Christian 24-7 can only write snark about the other side.

    Christian, it takes real effort to write a comment as rude and unconstructive as your first one above. Opinions are one thing. Character assasinations are another. And Obama didn't give out phones to curry votes. Look it up. That way you won't inadvertently be perpetrating a well disproven lie.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Jan mentions no names, nor does she hint at any one person or persons.

    Diva is almost exclusively applied to females.

    We have no female "congressmen" from Utah.

    The Utah congressional delegates have not been on the national news night and day for the last month.

    So is it such a stretch to think that she is speaking of female congressional delegates from other states?

    I just picked the ones that act the diva part in the national press most often.

    You don't have to like it. That is way okay with me.

    Happy Obama New Year! Enjoy your tax increase, or free phone, whichever applies.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    Dude, you just compared John Boehner to Paris Hilton. Awesome.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    Chris: Jan is talking about the recently reelected Utah delegation being divas. If you disagree, you could cite some instances of their non-diva behavior and state your support for the lot. Instead we get this blather about women who represent other citizens (unless Murray is now part of California) who do not act as you would choose. I am guessing the people of California would not value your commentary since they have elected most of the women you cite more often than Utahans have picked Orrin Hatch. Hey, maybe you could move to California and work to get them replaced by people more to your liking.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    As that great philosopher’s mother would say, “Obnoxious is as Obnoxious does”.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Divas in congress? Oh yeah!

    Maxine Waters
    Nancy Pelosi
    Dianne Feinstein

    Come quickly to mind.

    There is also the diva down the street on Pennsylvania Avenue, Queen Michelle.

    You can tell these are real divas because:

    1. They like being called divas and think it's a compliment
    2. They think they the laws of the land shouldn't apply to them.
    3. They think the world revolves around them
    4. They think they know what is best for everybody else
    5. They love cameras on them

    Yup, I see just what the writer is talking about.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Perhaps the real problem is that some relatively small, but very loud and very wealthy power groups have been able to intimidate the lawmakers.

    If anything is going to change it will require some very real changes. Such things as extensive campaign finance reform, term limits, and overturning Citizens United would be good starters.

    What will it take to make Americans so angry that we DEMAND adequate and effective reforms in our government?

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Jan. 3, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    You mean we are just now getting to "obnoxious"? I thought we passed that mile marker a while ago.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 5:34 a.m.

    I think it is more than just seeking public attention. A lot of our congressmen are completely ineffective because they are unwilling to compromise. They take the extremist position and refuse to yield any ground, citing moral authority that doesn't exist. Bob Bennett is just one example; he lost his primary race because he was a reasonable person. Utah didn't want reasonable, we wanted a blowhard. And we got one. And lost a respectable senator who was at least willing to reach across the aisle.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 3, 2013 12:46 a.m.

    The operative question becomes... how bad will it get before voters do something meaningful to end the charade?