@Navel LintWow, you're still using that tired ol'
"frantic and emotional" line?! Haven't you been using that since
the '90s? Maybe its time to retire that and come up with some new material.
It was probably good the first few years you used it but years later it sort of
becomes a little passe and pathetic, like using the terms, "Grooooovy"
or "Far out Man!", "Bees Knees", "Cat's Meow", or
"Gnarly dude", etc.As for Joe Kruger, congrats to him on the
choice. I think he'll be happy with it. He's got a unique build and
enough athleticism to be an intriguing prospect as a 5 technique defensive end.
Teams might consider his potential enough to take him fairly high, middle rounds
maybe. He benefited this past season with STar taking double and triple teams
from opposing OL's and that freed him up. He won't have that luxury
next year and is smart to strike now while the iron is hot.
@veGASute"Reality dudes, you should try it sometime."Ahhhh yes...reality....I think ute fans are now getting in touch with it.
I'm hearing fewer and fewer bold pre-season predictions of Rose Bowl glory
and Pac12 domination. It's interesting to note that a few yrs ago on these
very message boards (and countless others) BYU fans were predicting Utah would
quickly settle into being a middle to lower tier pac12 team while most ute fans
were defiantly predicting quick Pac12 domination and Rose Bowl berths.Looking at the "reality" of it, utah is plummeting fast and looks to
be pretty much on the mark with the "reality" that BYU fans had
predicted than the "reality" that ute fans were wishfully dreaming of.
To little Ducky - where's Fangupo?To all little kitties -
where's Reid?To all the happy little southies and their
"giant" fan base - 2.2 million viewers for the big bowl game?
Seriously? Utah State drew $2.6 this year. Navy - SDSU drew 3.6 for the same
game two years ago.Reality dudes, you should try it sometime.Go Utes!! One more Ute in the NFL!!
Duckhunter:Still with the redirection? It didn't work before.
What made you think it would work THIS time around? Quit being so frantic and
Knew him in High School. Almost as big of a jerk as his dad.
@naval lintSo you can't answer the quetion huh? Or you are just
to embarrassed to answer the question. Either way FAIL!LOL!
Duckhunter:So in other words what you're saying is, you
don't disagree with anything I said. Your failure to refute is noted in
your poor attempt at redirection. Typical.Congratulations on
playing in your 3rd consecutive bowl that nobody really watched. Mid-majors
Good luck Joe - it was fun watching you play for the right team!!All
you little kitty trollers just crack me up!! You southies have NOTHING to be
hopeful for in happy town, so you have to troll Utah stories. Too funny.Keep dreaming southies!!
@naval vetWhat "post season" did utah participate in this
year?Talk about "frantic and emotional".LOL!
tooWACish&midmajoreyfortheU:Wayne Howard? Still stuck in the
80s are we? Don't be so frantic and emotional. Your obsession with Utah
and Ute fans had left you keenly aware that Wayne Howard hadn't coached on
the Hill in over 30 years, and that the U is now on its 5th head coach since he
left. Here is what Utah's CURRENT head coach has had to say:"Our goal is to try to win the (Pac-12) South. That's going to be
our goal year in and year out." -- Kyle WhittinghamSo it looks
like I got it right. How miserable for you. In fact, what a miserable decade
these past 10 years had been for you and your kind. No BCS bowl invites. No
relevant conference invites. Only 3 wins against your big brother, and yet
ANOTHER mid-majorey postseason.And of course you've all been
forced to jump on the TCU, Colorado, and Utah St. bandwagons these past few
years, since you weren't able to do as they did -- beat Utah.LES only sold out 1 home game these past couple of years. And that was the
Utah game. Case closed.
Smart decision. Get out while the getting is good. The PAC 12 maybe isn't
such a great draw after all. USC is rolled by Georgia Tech who was trounced at
home by the Y and Stanford barely slips by a 5 loss Badger team.
@ Naval VetYou're got it backwards. That's because
you're looking in a mirror. Why did the Utah fans rush the field three
times after their bloggers derided BYU for doing it once in a previous game?
Utah's #1 priority since Wayne Howard became the coach is to "beat
BYU," saying "the hatred is just beginning to grow" and Urban Meyer
wouldn't give his opponent the respect of saying their name, but had his
cutsie "Team Down South" mentality firmly entrenched on the gullible
Muss.This year that's all we're heard about---how Utah
again beat BYU---but then, that's all Utah did this year, too. They lost
to USU (who BYU beat) and they didn't go to a bowl game, either. Oh (my
bad for forgetting) they did beat Northern Colorado, too.Speaking of
Colorado, they are your new rival. You and they and Washington State can enjoy
the cellar of the PAC 12 and not have beating BYU to crow about any more. Good
riddance, I say, to that unnecessary game where Y fans are in jeopardy for their
personal safety when played in SLC.I think Max was right after all.
Duckhunter writing before thinking again.You're talking about
the wrong Reynolds dude. Dallas is the one who starts for the Eagles, not
Matt.Tough to reach all those lofty first year levels as you
described when you are on the practice squad.As you would say
Naval VetHow depressing it must be for our delusional little friends
on the hill to realize that after all of their chest beating, that the Utes are
nothing more than cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference.Washington State and Colorado appreciate the company.
worf:To answer your question, the Pac-12 has a contract with ESPN
AND FOX, of which Utah's 1/12th share DWARFS the Indy-WACers. And that
fact leaves you teeming with jealous rage. How miserable it must be for you to
know your boys will be mid-majors forever. Haha!
KVN/Hoff want 0-4 against UTAH,Cougars, and Aggies went bowling
while the utes stayed home. Ha! Do the utes have an ESPN contract, or are they
in the PAC to improve the win/loss records of the others?
IndyWACerBlue:"The whole BYU team just doesn't seem to get
up psychologically for the Utes as the Utes do for BYU."Beating
our little brother 3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11 isn't about winning the
"psychological" battle on the field. It's about simply being the
better team, with better players, and a better coaching staff.Besides, Utah's priority #1 each year is winning the Pac-12 South
Division. On the other hand, "job one" for the cougars is beating the
Utes. So the Y "gets up for the game" with deeper fervor than the U
does. Just because we keep beating you doesn't imply that this game means
more to us than it does to you. The truth is, you're just not that
important to us anymore. And that's why Utah will be playing Michigan and
Fresno St. in 2014 and 2015 instead of the Y, and that's also why Y fans
are more up in arms about it than U fans.
This will obviously hurt the Utes defense next year no way around that. They
have a lot of big holes to fill with guys graduating and I don't think many
saw this coming. I thought the same thing about his brother Paul a few years
ago but the Utes regrouped and it ended up ok for both parties.There
is good and bad but if he can get drafted, that also helps recruiting as
well.Good luck to Joe and all the rest of the Utes trying to make it
to the next level!Go Utes!
It was just too painful to not play in a bowl game this year and that was likely
to happen again next year (two misses in a row) so it is time to leave the
Titanic. Good luck in the NFL.
@DuckhunterAre you possibly getting your Reynolds brothers confused?
According to the Eagles website, Matt was signed to the practice squad after
being cut by the panthers. He hasn't even been on the active roster all
year. So how do you say he is a "sure fire all rookie" and being
mentioned for the pro bowl? So the point still holds that Utah puts players in
the NFL while BYU doesn't. Just look at the comparison between Matt and
Tony Bergstrom. They were recruited at the same time, with Matt being ranked
higher. Bergstrom gets drafted in the 3rd round, plays in half of the Raiders
games this year and starts in the last one. Meanwhile Reynolds gets cut from one
team and gets signed to the practice squad of another. We'll see how long
he last there now that Andy Reid isn't around. Anyway,
it's going to be fun rooting for another Ute in the league. We'll miss
you Joe, but wish you nothing but the best in the NFL.
Both Kruger and Van Noy are crazy to leave and stay respectfully. One won't
get drafted and the other is risking alot by choosing to stay. I wish them both
lots of luck but the odds are against them making a team or raising their stock
with another season.
@goredIf any of that were the case you wouldn't have to be on
here trying to convince us of it. Fail.
@rbnActually Matt Reynolds probably will make more money because of
this. He signed a small, one year, free agent deal. If he had been a 3rd round
pick or lower he would have signed a small multi year deal. He can now sign a
much larger multi year deal. That is the irony of it. Hoffman
probably would have been a low round pick this year so for him it was easily the
right decision, Van Noy on the otherhand appears to have been a likely high
round pick, at least 2nd round. It is absolutely a risk, just like it was for
Star, to stay, but it is what he wanted to do, just like Star.Some
guys want to finish what they started, some guys want to hold off getting a job,
some guys want to stay a youth for just one more year, some want to get their
degree. I'm not sure which of those reasons were Van Noy's, or
Star's, maybe all of them, but they made the decision that was right for
them now matter how it turns out. Just like Matt Reynolds.
@CougarBlue"The whole BYU team just doesn't seem to get up
psychologically for the Utes as the Utes do for BYU."Haha.
Don't you wish that were the case. The truth is, the Utah's program
is simply much better than BYU's.@CougFaninTX"Is it just my imagination, or did Hedgehog change his moniker to Chris B?
And has now changed to KVN/Hoff."Not sure about that. But it is
obvious that "duckhunter" and sammyg are one and the same.@BYU fans in generalIt's pretty sad when so many of you have
to spend all of your time and efforts trolling articles on the Utes in an
attempt to bring them down. But what you all don't realize is that to
people outside of the state, it's all about the results on the field. And
that would be in Utah's favor, starting with 3 in a row, 4 out of the last
5, 8 out of 11, and overall 56-34-4.Please show a little humility.
@DuckhunterMatt Reynolds left a ton of money on the table by staying
his senior season. I'm glad to see him playing and playing well. The fact
remains that he likely would have been better off not staying his senior
season.I think Star staying his senior season was a risk.
@ Troy town I don't have a problem with a player leaving to the NFL
early. They should go when they are ready. I just don't think that Joe
Krueger was ready. I think KVN is ready and should leave before he hurts his
shoulder again. How is that inconsistent?
Is it just my imagination, or did Hedgehog change his moniker to Chris B? And
has now changed to KVN/Hoff.
Bad for the Utes. Good for everybody else. NFL? Not likely.
Joe Kruger played for UTAH this year?
Early depth chart looks like Hunter Dimick and Nate Fakahafua will take over the
ends now, with Niasi Leota rotating in. Junior Salt and Tenny Palepoi will be
at tackle with Seni Fauonuku getting significant reps as well.The D
line will be alright. It's the linebackers that really need some work. I
think Coach Whitt would be smart to move Thretton Palamo off D-end and put him
at linebacker. He's fast enough to pick up receivers coming off the line
and out of the backfield and he's big enough to help with run support.
@big jYou actually made the most level headed post of any utah
"fan" on this article. utah does have a record of developing dlinemen so
based on that one would have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they
will get a good one to replace him. But there is a "but" to that. He was
a 3 year starter wasn't he? At minimum he was a major 3 year contributor
and was going to be a senior, that is not that easy to just replace. Does anyone
know who that replacement might be and what they have done up to this point?
Regardless it is a blow to them, no way around that fact.
I wish Joe all the luck in the world, but wish he'd stay for his senior
The great thing about D-1 football is the ever changing landscape. Utah has had
many great D linemen over the years and each time one left another took over.
Utah will replace all those leaving this year. I am sorry to see Joe go but that
is life. I wish him all the bestGo Utes!
Kyle Van Noy - 51 tackles, 36 solo, 13 sacks, 2 int, 2 TDRated number 4
out of 244 OLB'sJoe Kruger - 30 tackles, 19 solo, 6 sacks, 1
int, 1 TDRated number 17 out of 235 DE's
RBNThe inconsistency of Utah fans and their misguided spin is
laughable.Star stayed an extra year because he expected the Utes to
have a special season in 2012.After watching Utah's sorry 2012,
Joe decided there was nothing worth sticking around for. Why waste a year
playing for another losing team?
This is obviously getting blown out of proportion by fans on both sides already.
I expected Joe to come back, but I'm sure he did a lot of consultation with
draft analysts and is making the best decision for him at the time. Now time for
Nate Fakahafua and the crew to reload and work hard for next year. Good luck to
Joe and Dave both.
RE: CougarBlueThat's the best excuse I've heard yet!!
"BYU team just doesn't seem to get up psychologically for the Utes as
the Utes do for BYU"I guess I'd be searching for answers as
well if I was a byu fan.
LOL at the spin our little brothers are trying to put on Hoffman and KVN staying
at BYU, while one of Utah's few remaining defensive stars is abandoning the
Utes.The truth is, as nice as it would be for Utah fans to see Joe
succeed at the next level, this is a devasting blow to a Utah defense that has
already been gutted by graduation losses.
And the hits just keep coming for utah "fans" LOL!I
can't help but think there is more to this than meets the eye because this
kid has not been projected as any sort of NFL draft pick this year. I'm
guessing he got an evaluation done and it came back somewhat positive? good luck
to him, I hope it works out. I gotta believe he wanted to jump off of that
sinking ship to the north.@rbnSo you hope that for
KVN's sake he doesn't become an NFL starter, sure fire all rookie
teamer and get some actual Pro Bowl mention like Matt Reynolds has/is?
RBN"I'm glad to have a coach the puts players in the NFL
and is glad when they make it, rather than a coach that talks his players into
staying when it's not in their best interests."More Utah
fan hysteria... cite one legitimate source that anybody at BYU talked Hoffman
and Van Noy into staying at BYU.btw, did Whit talk Star into staying
at Utah when it wasn't in his best interests?
"Kind of like he did to Wynn/Hayes last year?"Only a
BYU-hater pretending to be a Utah fan wouldn't know that Wynn's career
was already over before the Utes played BYU in 2012 or this could have been
Wynn's final play:Jon Hays sacked by Kyle Van Noy for a loss of
2 yards...No, the whooping KVN is going to lay on Wilson next season
will be more like the whooping he layed on the Aztecs this year.
@bustersI'm glad to have a coach the puts players in the NFL
and is glad when they make it, rather than a coach that talks his players into
staying when it's not in their best interests. For KVN's sake, I hope
it doesn't turn out like it did for Matt Reynolds.And
what's all this talk about shaking in their boots? That's about as
delusional as thinking that Andy Reid would even consider being the OC at BYU.
Great player, just for the wrong team. Wish him well. The whole
BYU team just doesn't seem to get up psychologically for the Utes as the
Utes do for BYU.
With the loss of Star Lotulelei, Joe Kruger, Dave Kruger, Reggie Topps, Moe Lee,
and Ryan Lacy, the Utes are losing most of their top defensive talent from a
defense that was already struggling.Good luck to neighbors and
friends Joe and Dave at the next level.
@busters:"Can't wait for KVN to unleash a serious whooping
on Wilson next season."Kind of like he did to Wynn/Hayes last
year?And the year before that?And the year before that?
I didn't see that one coming. I hope this isn't another Sealver
Silinga case (although he looks like he's worked himself into the NFL with
Denver). Joe's got talent and size, but also a proclivity for making
Joe leaving the Utes is devasting news to a Utah defense that was already losing
most of its best players.Good luck to Joe!
Gotta laugh at our BYU-hating friend from Ogden trying to spin Hoffman and KVN
staying at BYU as a bad decision. The truth is Utah fans are shaking in their
boots at the prospect of Star and Joe leaving the Utes helpless against the
Cougars next season.Good luck to Star and Joe.--------btw, wishful thinking 0-ferIt was Joe's
dad who was mainly responsible for his sons attending Utah - Whit was barely
involved except to accept their LOAs.Joe is obviously leaving
because he no longer wishes to be part of a program in steady decline.Can't wait for KVN to unleash a serious whooping on Wilson next season.
I don't blame Joe and I wish him the best. Joe had some nagging injuries to
deal with this past season and I'd guess part of his decision stems from
that. Why risk a greater injury next season when his health is good right now?
Not to mention I'm sure he's already got a decent idea of what his
likely draft position will be.I hope Dave gets a shot somewhere as well,
it would be awesome to see three brothers on NFL rosters at one time.Good
Chalk up another kid recruited by Whittingham and put in the NFL. I think that
puts the number around 25 of kids Whit recruited and put in the NFL, compared to
around 2 or 3 for Bronco and Gary Anderson.
Great decision!We all remember what happened when the Reynolds kid
went from multimillionaire and first round pick to ....not even
drafted!School will always be there if you want it in the future.
Go get that paycheck Joe! I don't blame you at all!