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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 2, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    @Christian 24-7 - your kidding me, right? After each president we just hit "restart" and the game begins a new? This isn't some video game where you get to start with a blank slate each time. I can see it now, you halfway through a game, down by 21 points, so you swap quarterback and claim "restart - set the score back to zero/zero".... what world does this kind of stuff happen in?

    The national debt doesn't start over with each president. Unemployment. Conflicts? Which of these do you get to just cancel out? Pretend they didn't exist? And the president after this one - no matter which party - will get the pleasure of continuing on.

    The reality is some of the issues Bush had were legacy from Clinton. And Clinton has legacy issues from Bush I - what to do about the Taliban for one. And oh mighty, did we ever hear about the legacy of issues Reagan got to clean up from his Carter... thought we would never hear the end of that. And Carter and Ford - lots of clean up from Nixon. Nixon himself got to clean up Vietnam.

    So lets stop pretending it doesn't count now.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    Discussion and debate does not equal filibuster. Discussion and debate is what the congress is supposed to do. They are not supposed to be "yes men" for the president.

    Democrats showed their stripes yesterday when they only gave senators a few minutes to read a 157 page bill before the vote. No debate, no comment, not even time to read it. That is what it takes to please the senate dems. Anything else they call a filibuster and obstructionism.

    Isn't it interesting that even Matheson, the democrat, wouldn't vote for that bill? Being in the house, he did get to read it first. Telling, isn't it?

    Yes Hatch voted for it, but the elderly have always been more vulnerable to scam artists.

    Again, Obama and the dems have been running the show for 4 years, hand in hand. The current state of the nation is their doing. They do get the blame for Afghanistan, Pakistan, the lackluster economy, unemployment, 6 trillion new debt, expansion of out of control spending, lies about Benghazi, lies about turning things around in one year or not running again, all of it.

    My compliments to ugottabkidn. You didn't blame Bush.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    To you that want to blame the POTUS for the budget crisis, there is a small detail you continually overlook. This is a Constitutional responsibility of the House of Representatives. It must then be approved by the Senate at which time the POTUS must sign it into law. With 4 years of fillibusters and intentional obstruction and nullification an objective person can see why we are here. In short, the Congress has been expecting Obama to do all the heavy lifting while they were sitting in their offices collecting campaign funds from their true constituents, America's real governing body, the Plutocrats.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 2, 2013 8:33 a.m.


    You make my point perfectly. You start with Bush. He's gone. Get over it. Go rock.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 1, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    @Christian 24-7 - do you also remember in the last quarter of the Bush administration the nation was looking over 800,000 jobs a month? Do you also remember the stock market plummeting from over 13,000 down to 6,600. Per chance do you remember the housing collapse that happened between 2006 and 2007? Do you recall Oil hitting $150 a barrel in the final year of the Bush administration.

    Now I am not one who put all the blame for these events at Bush's feet. There were a lot of factors that all came together to create a financial storm of biblical magnitude. We had a banking system on the brink of total failure. Those are simply the cards in play at the time. Not factoring in the playing field is totally self indulgence.

    Obama hasn't done everything right - plenty I disagree with. But the market has regained 98% of the 7,000 plus points lost. Housing is rebounding. Employment is improving. We have a solvent banking system again with most TARP money repaid. We are winding down two wars that have lasted over 10 years. Pretending these are all failures is a bit of creative interpretation.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    The liberals seem to be like Alzheimer patients; they seem to have no short term memory. All they remember are the old days. They seem to forget the last 4 years completely. I wish I could.

    I repeat, Obama is president. I remember him saying shovel ready jobs and then laughing that they weren't shovel ready. I remember 4 years of horrific unemployment. I remember 4 years of empty promises. 4 years of executive order power grabs. I remember that we now have 6 trillion in new debt. I remember that the only solution Obama offers to our fiscal problems is to spend more money we don't have. Talk about a thoroughly tried, failed, and recycled idea.

    All you who can't remember who has been president for the last 4 years need to go sit in your rocker and dwell on Bush. We need to move forward, and you are not helping. Let those of sound mind run with this.

    Blaming Bush, Fox News, and the TEA Party is code for denial about the disastrous current administration and president.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    "He hasn't proposed anything budget wise that is realistic."

    Really? Can you "Christian", concisely lay out President Obama's budget plan? You should be able to do it easily since you have such a strong opinion on it.

    "All the wars we are in are Obama's doing."

    Really? Please tell us how.

    "It is not his (President Bush's) fault any more."

    Of course "it" is. If by "it" you mean two wars and making the economic collapse worse. There were many causes of the collapse, such as vast under regulation of the economic sector due to Republican's ideological opposition to regulation. President Bush and the Republicans can directly be blamed for the massive run up of debt, especially being handed a surplus and a plan where the debt would be paid off by now. Because of the incredibly irresponsible handling of the government's fiscal house the collapse was much worse.

    You choose to forget history and have amnesia concerning anything that happened over four years ago. I don't.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Obama created the fiscal cliff? Sorry, the fiscal cliff exists because Congress refused to deal with fiscal matters in a responsible way.

    But then, to Republicans, Obama is responsible for everything. Just a few months ago, they were blaming him for soaring gas prices. Of course, now that prices are slumping, do we hear them giving Obama credit? Of course not. Grow up, Republicans. Come to the table and do something productive for a change, and stop the incessant whining.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    No wonder he won big over Romney. The haters will still find something or make something up.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    Greedy, spoiled, pampered. Those words come to my mind reading this letter. That is how I feel about this vacation cut short by duty. It is Michelle that pops into my mind. She stays in Hawaii and the taxpayers as usual have to pick up the tab for a seperate Air Force plane to transport her home. She likes to fly seperate on almost every occasion. Thus the three words that I started with.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    I don't understand why, when it is so easy to check the truthfulness of any statement from anyone, some people simply refuse to do it.

    Isn't repeating a lie without checking to see if it is a lie is just another form of lying?

    And if it came from a hate radio station, then we can be pretty sure it's not the whole truth. It will be very interesting to see the sudden change in attitude when people who spout right wing mantras suddenly find themselves getting what they say they want.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 1, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    While the administration and the Senate hammered out a plan with the Senate Republicans into the weee hours last night, the House had headed home to ring in the year with their family and friends, only to wander in for their first meeting afternoon today.

    So I am lost here at which side "working" and which was popping corks and cheering in the new year. The Senate Democrats and Republicans worked together for a solution. The Speaker of the House didn't put anything forward... nada... nothing.... other than a bunch of press events.

    We need a "house" cleaning done here.... and purge the ranks of the house of those who are more concerned with publicity opportunities and less so with actually getting stuff done - both sides - doesn't matter. Get to work, and off of TV.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    Obama is president.

    That means the he signed on for the fiscal cliff. If he hadn't, it wouldn't be law.

    He hasn't proposed anything budget wise that is realistic. His proposals look like a spoiled child's letter to Santa Claus.

    He doesn't negotiate with congress, he makes demands and then runs to the press to campaign for those demands. This is not leadership. This is no compromise. The campaign is over. When will he lead? Probably never.

    Whine, whine, whine, it,s Bush's fault. Bush isn't president and hasn't been for 4 years. It is not his fault any more. All the wars we are in are Obama's doing.

    Republicans PASSED a resolution in Congress in AUGUST to solve the fiscal cliff.

    The senate, under democrats, FAILED to act on it. They waited for the election, with Obama's blessing. The president said he wouldn't sign it. Obama should have encouraged debate, but instead he told them to kick the can down the road, AGAIN.

    It is 2013. It's Obama's America. Let's give him credit for it. He's had 4 years. It IS OBAMA'S FAULT. Get over it.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 7:01 a.m.

    So... when is the letter going to blame Republicans too for also being on vacation?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 6:43 a.m.

    Obama created the fiscal cliff? Let's check your math:

    The Republican congress allowed the Bush Tax Cuts to expire.
    The Republican congress created the automated spending cuts.
    Therefore, Republican plus Republican equals Obama's fault?
    That doesn't add up.

    You say Obama waits "until the last minute on key issues".
    The Republican congress waited unil the last minute, because they thought their candidate would win the presidential election.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Jan. 1, 2013 1:41 a.m.

    Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine. If you've paying attention, Obama and the Democrats have been the ones taking the initiative here. Boehner couldn't even convince his own House to bring his plan to a vote.

    And presidents go on vacation. If anything, his vacation time has been lower than average (Do some research and find out how much time Reagan and George W. Bush spent away.)

    Obama won and Romney lost, guys. Time to get over it.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 1:08 a.m.

    All this president has to do to be better than the last one is keep us out of a ground war in Iran. That's it. After that, it's all gravy.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Jan. 1, 2013 12:24 a.m.

    This letter could be summarized by, "Baahhhhh! I hate Democrats! Bahhhh!"

    Of course, Jim's ranting was surprisingly absent in the 8 years between President Clinton and President Obama. Why is that Jim? Where was his concern over Bush's focus while New Orleans was underwater?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 1, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    Happy New Year!

    Mr. Dublinski
    Pres. Obama has submitted a budget proposal every year he's been president.

    I'm sorry you are misinformed.