Last-minute fiscal cliff talks in Senate

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  • inditedby Tooele, UT
    Dec. 30, 2012 8:41 p.m.

    Te need to help the old and the poor Bush tax cuts have to go we need to get back to Clinton do to the rich and upper class what does 3000.00 dollars of tax mean to them one less fundraiser dinner they can attend big deal give the money to who needs it or medicare they still don't have to pay taxes on it. Many charities could use it to help a homeless person eat. That much money would help hundreds have one hot meal. We need to help people get back on there feet. Congrass needs to try staying in a box all night long with a barrow of wood burning to keep warm.

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    Dec. 30, 2012 6:36 p.m.

    I wonder if Mitt Romney rejoices and gives thanks every day to not have this (and every other impossible-to-fix) mess waiting for him--for which, had he won the election--he would have been given the blame and lambasting and vitriol for every little thing that our elected officials cause and then can't fix....

  • George Bronx, NY
    Dec. 30, 2012 10:36 a.m.


    Again you try to rewrite history. Please quote for us exactly when Obama ever stated that the only people's taxes cut under bush where the rich.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 30, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    Jumping off the cliff, then sailing into Obama Care.

    Could someone please define Obama Care?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 11:17 p.m.


    We were told the Bush tax cuts were just for the rich, and now we find it benefited the middle class. BO wants a new separate tax hike for the rich. Hmm? The fiscal cliff should cause that, if Obama had been telling the truth.

    I'm not concerned of the right or wrong of the cuts, but that our commander lied his way into office. Have you no expectations for a president?

  • jeanie orem, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    The "nice, try", "attack the messengers", "leftists", "hate radio". "interesting", "dumb", "uneducated" etc. sounds just like our politician's finger pointing, blaming and name calling. How can we elect representatives that can work together for the good of all if we the people are so acidic to each other? Apparently we can't.

    So where does decency and civility start? I may not agree with your politics or who you voted for, but there are things we can agree on. Why don't we all set the example for congress and start finding common ground to our ever present problems?

    Maybe the real answer is we just like to argue. We really don't want to make progress. From most of the posts I've read here we would rather be "right" and hand out "gotcha's" than find solutions.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 29, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    interesting way you try to twist what has happened and what is happening, to bad as usual it is a nonsense short cut through the facts. what "politicians" have been and are correct arguing is the bush tax cuts for the highest income individuals (not the middle class) hurt the middle class and our economy and therefore should be ended, but nice try.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 29, 2012 9:31 p.m.

    sorry him not hum

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 29, 2012 9:18 p.m.

    So you accuse hum of using the weak strategy of attacking the messenger then call him a leftist? interesting.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 6:36 p.m.

    Photo of Harry trying to squeeze just a little more money out of US citizens.

    He, like many life long elected officials, suffer from the same mind set as royalty: that of elitism, wealthy elitism.

    The only people dumber than this group of people are the voters who believed their promises (or were captivated by their charisma) and elected them, over and over.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 6:17 p.m.

    Truth hurts, eh, Truth?

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Dec. 29, 2012 5:52 p.m.

    Isn't it amusing to watch the sore losers at work? I particularly like reading how 51 percent of us are uneducated, ignorant, uninformed, lazy, not paying taxes, getting gifts from Obama, etc., etc....This is so much fun!

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    @one old man

    I guess when message is so powerful and spot on on,

    all you are left is to attack the messengers.

    Weak indeed, just like your leftest leaders Obama and Reid.

    It should be all about doing what best for the country not for some radical leftest ideology.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 29, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    "Politicians blamed the Bush tax cuts for hurting the economy."

    No, people criticized tax cuts when the spending just kept accelerating and we jumped into two wars. Never in the history of this nation has any administration attempted to go to war, and lower income at the same time. Tax cuts are fine, you just don't go on a spending spree when you do it.

    That was the problem.... why don't you try it.... cut you income, and increase your spending. Lets see how well that helps keep the family budget balanced. Let us know how it works out

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    Wow, look at all the posts posted by people who have been suckered into believing what they hear on hate radio.


  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 29, 2012 3:39 p.m.

    i to find it curious that these same posters that have been telling us for four years that it is congress thats creates budgets and Obama should stand aside want to blame Obama and the senate for the congresses failures. I suppose there is a reason the republicans lost the presidential race and seats in both houses to bad thy seem to not have gotten the message and the posters on these threads have not figured out the same tired rhetoric is not convincing anyone.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    So arent any and all budget bills supposed to originate in the House? Why is the House dictating that the Senate do their work?

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 1:06 p.m.

    Everything the US Congress has come up with has been imperfect. One of the biggest fiasco's is Obamacare. I wouldn't trust the US Congress to help an elderly lady cross the street because by the time that got around to actually helping her, she'd have died of starvation, disease or old age. Then they'd blame the otjher party for not helping sooner. Egads---why are they clowns in control, anyway?0 Let's make them have the same retirement, health care and tax breaks the ordinary "people" have and see what they think of that.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    A shining example of incompetent and phony leadership, blended with hyper-partisan politics, involving some of the most despicable politicians our country has ever seen.

    Obama has still not put forth any sort of plan, or identified a single cut he would accept.
    Reid refuses to allow votes on any of the bills the House has passed.
    Reid's Senate has not even passed a budget (as required annually by law!!!!!) for FOUR years.

    It is clear that Obama hates America's capitalist system and is ignorant of basic economics, and believes only in Marxist redistribution of wealth, not caring a fig if our country goes bankrupt or worse.

    Obama has not even met with the Congressional leaders since November 16th to pretend to try to work out a deal, so this failure is as much his as anyone else's.

    And, depending on "news" as interpreted by Associated Press of the issue can be counted on to distort the facts so that Obama and the Democrats look good.

    Our country is about to endure a disaster that will take decades to recover from, Republicans will be blamed by the media, when it is mostly Obama's fault.

  • Remay1 Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    We need to define a few terms here:

    Compromise for Mr. Obama means: "Do whatever I say!"
    Negotiating for Harry Reid means: "You Republican saps in the House can pass all the bills you want but I'll never let the Senate vote on any of them!"
    A 'bi-partisan' solution to the mainstream media means: "Even if you Republicans don't agree at all with any of the tax and spend bills the Democrats are trying to shove down the collective throats of the nation, you had better vote to support them or we will blame YOU for the inevitable disastrous results the Democrat tax and spend proposals will cause! (Of course we're gonna blame YOU anyway)"

    It's a 'no win' situation for Republicans and the nation at this point. They should just abstain.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    And to think:

    The first hundred fifty years, we had no income tax.

    Our government could run on a ten percent import/export tax.

    Government positions should be a limited position of service, and not a career.

    Harry, and Nancy should be in a history book.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 29, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    Politicians blamed the Bush tax cuts for hurting the economy. Now they say it will hurt when expired.

    They said it only helped the rich with tax breaks, and hurt the middle class. Now these expiring tax cuts are referred to as "The Fiscal Cliff", and over a hundred million middle class citizens will pay more taxes.

    Did these leaders lie their way into office?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    "Whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect." Oh Harry you are a piece of work. Would that imperfect be like your 3+years of no budget.Or your willingness to put the legislation that the house sent over months ago up for a vote. Course now is a great time for some camera time. So blab away.