Triumph of politics, 'fiscal cliff' viewed as apocalyptic event

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  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 29, 2012 12:23 a.m.

    What? Expiration of the Bush tax rates will cause the middle class to pay more in taxes? Then why were we told those tax cuts were only for the rich?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 28, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    GW Bush started not 1, but 2 wars 12 years ago.

    Congress never came up with a plan to pay for it.
    In fact - as stupid as it seems now -- they came up with the idiotic idea to actually CUT revenues and taxes, while in fact exploding the spending.

    I've been blaming GW Bush and the GOP for the past 12 years,
    I'm STILL blaming them for the mess we're in.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    I wouldn't view it as apocalyptic but most of us better get used to living the standard of living of say Bulgaria...

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    With Boehner unable to muster the votes for even his "Plan B" option, which was intended to give him some leverage against the Democrats, the Republican leadership in the House has suffered a serious set back.

    At this point it appears Boehner has no other option but to wait until the Senate and Obama come up with a "take it or leave it" offer, a position now much more to their liking, and then be forced to present it for a vote in the House. The President and Harry Reid need to convince enough House Republicans to support it who don't want to be tarred & feathered with failing to avoid the fiscal cliff, which doesn't seem too hard to do, at this point. Republicans are on the run.

    Boehner's dramatic Plan B failure is in the same ball park as Romney's sobering election day. The paralysis among the House GOP is really something to behold. Obama's hand got much, much stronger, the House now appears open for a Democrat-Moderate(or vulnerable) GOP majority to govern.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    Ah, GREED.

    The new American ideal.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    Let's just eliminate the defense department after all who is there to fear in the world anymore? North Korea is as harmless as a kitten and China is just overblown. Russia is our best friend. We don't even need a military. Instead lets just use that money to give it freely to whom ever wants it - illegal or otherwise and then join hands, smoke that new legal Marijuana and watch American Idol. Maybe we could kick it all off with a HUGE rock concert where free pot and free love are everywhere? Sounds like something right out of the DNC.

  • Mike in Texas Cedar City, Utah
    Dec. 27, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    Going "over the cliff" won't be the problem. But staying over it will be. The economy is fragile, we need economic growth that will not likely occur unless the 98% have the funds to stimulate growth, and the deficit will not be reduced without the 2% who have most benefited from the tax structure for the last 10 years, paying a little more. Economys are quite a bit about public confidence. That confidence will be restored over time if we take steps to hold taxes down on middle class consumers and find some solid grownd to cut costs. And cuts should not just be placed on the backs of seniors and the less fortunate. The military and defense industry must be restructured to meet the needs of this new century, and we must abandon these necon notions of a new American Empire.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    Is there a photo of boehner available where he doesn't look like he's about to cry?

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    It's frustrating that the MSM carry the water for the President so much. He's the alleged leader of the Country and he hasn't shown any willingness to lead on the spending/ debt crisis facing the nation. Was it my imagination or did he not promise to cut the Federal deficit in half in his first Presidential campaign? Wasn't it him that promised to go through the budget line by line and eliminate all unnecessary spending? I'm sorry but all he knows how to do is campaign. He is incapable of leading a nation. I mean, the man gives a eulogy at a funeral and gives a speech about himself. Could he possibly be anymore self-absorbed?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    Hayden, ID
    I say bring the "fiscal cliff" on.


    It must be the end of the world.

    Mountanman and I finally agree.
    Although for reasons diametrically opposed.

    I say bring it on,
    and let America see the suicide bomb the GOP constructed and set to go off after the 2012 election, and then hoped to magially defuse once their guy got into office to save the day -- and then didn't.

    This could go down as a new chapter in America history as:

    The BACK-Fire heard around the World!

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Dec. 27, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Going over the "cliff" may be our only option. It is revealing that something concocted as so odious that the Congress could not and would not let it stand, may now go into effect because there is no ability to get things done.

    Common sense and working together have gone out of vogue. Wrangling and posturing are preferred to doing things to save the country. A few are so sure they are right that they would risk the country to prove it. It's not about WHAT is right, it is about WHO is right.

    Imagine if that is how things functioned where you work? This level of rancor is why our bond rating was cut. If I were comparing sovereign debt, I would think hard about this as well.

    I know I am getting old. I keep looking for the grownups in the room and realize that, at least on my side of the political divide, most of them have either retired or have been retired by the young turks.

    Sadly, some view partisan loss as a worse outcome than damage to the nation.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    I obviously see and frame it differently but I actually agree with you on being fine with going over the fiscal cliff and staying over it.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    The defense department cuts should be increased. The Bush Cheny Iraq contractors have plundered enough.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 27, 2012 7:15 a.m.

    I say bring the "fiscal cliff" on. It may be THE only way we will get any significant spending cuts as long as Obama is in the White House. Obama and the Democrats get something they want; more taxes and the Republicans get something they want and the country needs; significant mandatory spending cuts! The 47% get to pay taxes along with the rest of us, sounds fair, doesn't it? Everyone gets to sacrifice for our country, not just the "rich".