Rock On: BYU fans can prove they're forgiving

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  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    Dec. 27, 2012 5:33 p.m.

    What the commoncensus poll tells me is that BYU has a smattering of fans distributed all around the country like few other programs. It's not as impressive to me that BYU was in the top ten in DFW, as it is that they got votes in pretty much every area of the country, including SEC country.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Dec. 27, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    . . meanwhile, the grown-ups in the room wonder with amusement why the children seem so intent on getting some other kids to cry "uncle."

    Really. This is is very minor stuff from any angle, but then it doesn't take much to get certain nameless posters irritated. I'm not sure what fuels the insatiable desire to shoot holes in even a hint of a whisper of a suggestion of anything positive about BYU. To say "BYU has a sizeable national following" is basically true, isn't it? Do I care about the specific rankings or the methodology behind them? Nah. No matter what you conclude about this "study," it doesn't change anything.

    And I love the guy that wags his finger at Rock for lazy, unethical journalism. Whoah; relax, brah. The "BYU is kinda popular" mini-story consisted of a few lines in what is obviously intended to be a puff piece in the first place. Save the stern too-strident-by-99% lectures for something more important, like . . I don't know . . a column about fun Family Home Evening activities. Now, off you go, children . .

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    @Two For Flinching
    "We all know that BYU has a bigger fan base than Utah."
    So let me submit that it is actually the anti-BYU fanatics who look and sound ridiculous for railing against that poll, while simultenously admitting that it is basically true

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    "Would you like to point out my alleged logical fallacy?"

    Simply cutting and pasting is proof enough.

  • manaen1 Buena Park, CA
    Dec. 26, 2012 11:42 p.m.

    Question: If Robert Anae's performance cost him his job, who should BYU hire before spring training to fill the OC position that's been empty since Anae left?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    @ Jeff29

    We all know that BYU has a bigger fan base than Utah. However the online poll the DNews reported on is complete garbage, and you know it. So let me submit that it is actually the BYU fans who look and sound ridiculous for rallying around that poll....

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    Win or lose I watch BYU. Fortunately they win more often than not FB or BB

  • awilk7 USA, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    It seems pretty clear to me what the AD for Wisconsin was thinking in hiring Gary Anderson, but then again, I'm not a BYU fan/sports writer so I won't try too hard to understand their world view...

    We will see how wise the hire was in the next few years, but I anticipate that Anderson will do quite well at Wisconsin.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 26, 2012 2:02 p.m.


    Would you like to point out my alleged logical fallacy? My post was only 77 words long. Where did I go wrong?

    And while you're at it, please explain why Indy-WACey fans seem to think "n'uh-uh" is a complete and valid argument? Why don't you believe supporting documentation is necessary?

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    Rock, didn't you ever take a statistics class in college? Do the words sample size, methodology, accuracy and reliability of data ring any bells? Or how about a writing ethics class? Either one should have taught you to not to publish someone eases data without verifying it? Your reporting in this article on the popularity of the BYU fan base is disgustingly lazy. Hint: Everything on the internet is not always accurate and true.(see State Farm commercial) Spend a little time researching your topic.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    .... And Naval Vet returns.... let the logical fallacy resume.

    Dear Ute fans, please stop rejecting the idea that BYU has a national, and even international. fan base. You just simply sound misinformed. If you want to talk about beating BYU 7 out of the last 10 years, or having the probable #1 draft pick this year, or even being the PAC 12 sellar dweller, go right ahead; but please stop denying the size of BYU's fan base. We're not saying that we are Notre Dame, or Texas, but the reach of BYU football dwarfs that of the U by so much that you all just sound ridiculous.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 26, 2012 12:12 p.m.


    "Being #5 in DFW IS a big deal."

    Is it? According to that map awarding the Indy-WACers the #5 spot in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area...

    ..they actually TIED for #5 with North Texas, and the cougar's epic "Rivalry Weekend" opponent, New Mexico State.

    Breaking that down even further, Texas A&M was #1...with 19 votes, followed by Texas with 6, and Texas Tech with 2. The Y got ONE VOTE! Wow! That really IS a big deal!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 26, 2012 11:51 a.m.


    "Coach Mendenhall always says the reason for the loss is that HE failed to prepare the team property....being the class individual he is"

    ...and then avers that he "wasn't convinced the better team won." And while that might pass for "classy" down there in WACistan, anywhere else he'd be called a "classless" sore loser.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    Taymen Hill, please next time take a knee when you know the game is pretty much over. And, need to learn more to stay in the pocket.

    PINK? I can see those players wearing PINK print on their butts (of course on their jersey pants). Pink locker room?

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    Texas is the state school, TCU is in DFW. There are 10 Big 12 teams. Baylor, Texas Tech, Texas A&M are BCS teams in the state. SMU, Houston, Rice, North Texas and how many other schools are in Texas? ALL fourteen of those FBS schools have numerous alumni in DFW. Being #5 in DFW IS a big deal.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Dec. 26, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    #5 in DFW means that they are barely on the college football radar in a region that is a pro- and high-school football region.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Dec. 26, 2012 8:19 a.m.

    The Iowa locker room thing is a copycat job of the University of Iowa where the locker room has been painted pink for decades.

  • guitarboy South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 26, 2012 1:09 a.m.

    @BlameItOnTheOfficials, I'm okay with the column. If some find Rock mean or negative, and others think he's a homer, he's doing it right. The way your first sentence is written, we can't tell which one you are, but either way, in totality Rock did a great job with his finger on the pulse of things, and in a light-hearted way.

    More columns like this from Rock, please.

    On the other topic, I totally agree with AKFan, 3grandslams, and Mountanman.

    Take any coach, and ask them what they think their record would be if they had to use three different starting quarterbacks for at least two games apiece in the same season, and you can only choose quarterbacks from your own roster. Coming out of that nightmare 8-5 and a decisive bowl victory over a 9-3 team, shows us what a stellar coach Bronco Mendenhall is. Fans with oversimplified criticism do not often know anything.

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 25, 2012 6:11 p.m.

    I'll forgive Mr Rock for another column filled with failing attempts of humor but there's nothing to forgive regarding any of the coaching decisions made during the year at BYU. Was this just another try to stir up some controversy? Mr. Rock, you're better than this. Give us real sports stories.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 25, 2012 1:08 p.m.

    I agree with 3 grand slams. When BYU loses a game, Coach Mendenhall always says the reason for the loss is that HE failed to prepare the team property. A lesser coach or person might blame the refs for bad calls or certain players making mistakes, but being the class individual he is, Bronco puts the blame on his back! Takes coaching to a higher level doesn't it?

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 25, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    Have to agree with AKfan. Victory formation was called for Hill, the injury to him should truly be chalked up to an inexpericenced qb running the show. Mendenhall made it to easy for the media to pile on him and not go after Hill.

    Bronco always protects his players.

    Dec. 25, 2012 3:29 a.m.

    If you listened listened to the details, the correct play was called that would have spared Hill the injury, but a problem with getting his attention resulted in him running the play that resulted in his injury. Players can get injured in practice, or in any part of the game. Nelson's experience proves this. There is not guarantee Hill would not have been injured in the next game, or the next. In the chaos that reigns in College football once the ball is snapped, no one is guaranteed to finish any play uninjured. Hopefully Hill will fully recover from his injury and do well next season, but no matter how smartly he is deployed, another injury is potentially only one play away.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    Dec. 24, 2012 10:53 p.m.

    We forgive Doman for being a poor coach, a disaster of an offensive coordinator and for nearly ruining the career of a promising and talented player. That one call sums up the absence of common sense in Doman (and Bronco) that seems to come naturally to the more successful OC's found at more successful programs. So, yes, we all forgive Doman, but, forgiveness doesn't mean keeping an ineffectual coach and OC at the reigns of a once proud, potent and high achieving offense. We all wish him luck in his next gig, whatever (and wherever)that may be, and ask that he not let the door hit him in the butt on his way out.