A week after school massacre, new details emerge

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  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    Dec. 24, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    @metamoracoug Interesting post. Could you further elaborate? Is your thesis that mental illness if a function of a broken or malfunctioning brain rather than a environmental cause? If so, is there a way to diagnosis this?

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Dec. 24, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    The "Manchurian Candidate" book and movie can help us come to an understanding of the methods and motives behind the people and institutions who were able to take control of the minds of the shooters of the Arizona congresswoman and innocent bystanders as well as the shooter in the theater who shot innocent people.

    This mind controlled shooter of innocent 1st graders in Connecticut is THE strategy that has been most effective in swaying public opinion towards gun restrictions. These are manifestations of the methods being used to take away the rights of US citizens to own guns for protection against the coming tyranny that will begin in 2013.

  • rick122948 boise, id
    Dec. 23, 2012 6:44 p.m.

    @Chris B
    I happened to live a few blocks from the State Mental Hospital in Norristown Pennsylvania, and Ronnie was president not governor, and they simply opened the doors and turned people loose on the streets. Reagan was straight forward and at least was true to honest convictions even if I disagreed with him. Where we really got in trouble was 8 years of GW.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Dec. 23, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    r.e. Howard. Obviously, good people can come from bad home environments and good parents can produce social misfits. But, generally, children are much better off if they are raised in a healthy home environment. There are a lot of other factors that went into this tragedy. No one wanted it to happen and in retrospect, we can see where there was poor judgement, probably with a lot of people in Lanza's life. But, I still believe strongly that if people were less inclined to run to the divorce court when things get tough, and instead consider the short and long term tragic effects of divorce on children and on society, they would gut it out, do their best to try to make an unpleasant situation better, deal with life's realities instead of running away, our whole society would improved greatly.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Dec. 23, 2012 8:14 a.m.

    @ Flashback

    Maybe he really slithered.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Dec. 22, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    I cringe every time I hear the terms "mental health" and "mental illness." It is an artificial line we draw as a result of the nonsense spewed by Freud. There are very few "mental health" diagnoses that do not have at least one integral neurologic component.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 6:38 p.m.

    I'm with you. It looks like the media has been promoting a lone gunman similar to the Oswald fiction.

    Who were the people involved in the secret works of darkness, murder and abominations that are the ones truly guilty of gunning down innocent children?

    Let's let local law enforcement find the answers and until then let's all assume the obvious: These murders were done under the tutelage of the Tavistock Institute in London with their MK Ultra mind control of young boys..... see Montauk boys mind control.

    Motive: take away rights of the citizens of the United States to own guns to protect themselves from the coming Tyranny.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 6:04 p.m.


    While I agree with you generally on divorce and this event may be the trigger for Lanza, I believe Klebold and Harris came from two-parent homes. The deadliest mass killing of school children was done in 1927 by a man in his mid 50's who was married and had a family. I actually think mental illness is the bigger issue rather than marital status. I also think this combined with massive exposure to violent video games and other media combined with easy access to guns seems to be the common opponent of the most recent school shootings.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Dec. 22, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    Something that gave me an extra insight into the story was that Lanza came from a broken home. The children from homes where the parents are divorced are significantly more likely to live in poverty, to commit crimes, to go to jail, to drop out of school, to use drugs, etc., etc., etc. If a child already has emotional problems then the divorce just aggravates the problem. Parents, grow up. If you have children then you have a moral responsibility to stay married; to swallow your pride and provide the best home environment possible for your innocent children. Your prior poor judgement, your mistakes, should not be passed on to your children and to generations beyond that. If divorce was cut way back and parents really dedicated themselves to their children, a huge amount of our social problems would be reduced. The kids in the school were victims; but so was Lanza. Better homes and families would completely negate the need for all these stupid proposals to put armed guards at our schools.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    boise, id
    @Wayne Rout
    Funny how selective amnesia works! The funding cuts that shut down hundreds of mental facilities was one of Ronnie Reagunns brilliant ideas.

    Actually, funding cuts to mental facilities began three years before Reagan even became Gov of California. And, the movement was part of various advocacy groups and the ACLU. By the way--the state legislature in CA was controlled by the Democrats. Y'know, the body that controlled funding. So why was it, after Reagan was out of office, the legislature didn't just reinstitute funding for mental health facilities? Because it's not nearly as cut-and-dried as you want to make it out to be. Even as we speak (meaning this year), states are cutting funding for mental health services because they don't have the budget for it. But yeah--let's keep blaming Reagan.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Dec. 22, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    It would be better to have gun-savvy individuals in all schools than "gun-free" zones which are an invitation for a disturbed person to destroy lives and peace.

    I haven't been around long enough to remember prohibition, but it wasn't successful. I'm anti-alcohol, but I recognize that if it were outlawed there would be home brew everywhere; stills in caves, desserted warehouses, etc. THe same is true for firearms. If outlawed, the black market would flourish in a day. Suddenly out of the way places would become factories, with questionable standards. And the smuggling from other nations would become a nightmare lasting 24/7.

    In the case of the disturbed shooter in Newton, somehow his mom didn't see the signs of his deeper malady. If she had, surely she would have locked up the guns. That wouldn't have stopped him from killing people, but at least she would had more sensible precautions in place.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    Mr. Rout, like so many others, your post is a complete fabrication. It was Ronald Reagan who cut mental health funding and closed mental hospitals.

    But among many of those on the extreme right, it's much easier to simply spout untruthful nonsense in hopes no one will notice and will be influenced by whatever agenda one is pushing.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 22, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    And here we go again talking about the 'shooter' What does this do? It feeds into someone else trying to out do what this kid did. Loved the statement above how 'democrats' closed the hospitals. Do you really believe that? Do you realize that the Kennedy family did more to drive legislation to help individuals with mental and physical handicaps. Last time I checked, family members were primarily of the democratic party. I know the NRA primarily exists of republicans. So lets don't blame one party. Its time for us all to think this though and come up with some real solutions. Do we really need assault rifles to take Bambi down? Do we need a cop walking around in every school? Now THAT is a clown question bro.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Dec. 22, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    Mentally and emotionally ill people can be found in the genealogy of every family. Some seem kind and non threatening, others create havoc for everyone coming into their path.
    Religion pounds "free agency" as one of it's major tenets.
    The Newtown massacre and others prior to it, were masterminded by disturbed people who were well enough to plan their carnage ahead of time.

  • rick122948 boise, id
    Dec. 22, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    @Wayne Rout
    Funny how selective amnesia works! The funding cuts that shut down hundreds of mental facilities was one of Ronnie Reagunns brilliant ideas. I remember news pictures of mental patients in Pennsylvania walking out the doors of the state hospital that had just been closed. Just one more NRA/Republican ideologue who has his facts wrong.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Dec. 22, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    Gee, if he had no guns he would have built a bomb The kid had talent. Too bad Democrats closed al the hospitals where he could have lived.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    "Slithered down the halls"? What irresponsible journalism. Say he was a loner. Say he walked along the walls. Say he avoided contact. Say he was weird. But slithered? A snake slithers along the ground. He apparently walked upright on his own two feet. Lanza appears to be way different and apparently quite evil. But comparing him to a reptile? Come on. The writer is potentially a college graduate. Like I used to tell my children, "use your words." Don't stoop to the lowest insult.