@metamoracoug Interesting post. Could you further elaborate? Is your thesis that
mental illness if a function of a broken or malfunctioning brain rather than a
environmental cause? If so, is there a way to diagnosis this?
The "Manchurian Candidate" book and movie can help us come to an
understanding of the methods and motives behind the people and institutions who
were able to take control of the minds of the shooters of the Arizona
congresswoman and innocent bystanders as well as the shooter in the theater who
shot innocent people.This mind controlled shooter of innocent 1st
graders in Connecticut is THE strategy that has been most effective in swaying
public opinion towards gun restrictions. These are manifestations of the
methods being used to take away the rights of US citizens to own guns for
protection against the coming tyranny that will begin in 2013.
@Chris BI happened to live a few blocks from the State Mental Hospital in
Norristown Pennsylvania, and Ronnie was president not governor, and they simply
opened the doors and turned people loose on the streets. Reagan was straight
forward and at least was true to honest convictions even if I disagreed with
him. Where we really got in trouble was 8 years of GW.
r.e. Howard. Obviously, good people can come from bad home environments and good
parents can produce social misfits. But, generally, children are much better off
if they are raised in a healthy home environment. There are a lot of other
factors that went into this tragedy. No one wanted it to happen and in
retrospect, we can see where there was poor judgement, probably with a lot of
people in Lanza's life. But, I still believe strongly that if people were
less inclined to run to the divorce court when things get tough, and instead
consider the short and long term tragic effects of divorce on children and on
society, they would gut it out, do their best to try to make an unpleasant
situation better, deal with life's realities instead of running away, our
whole society would improved greatly.
@ FlashbackMaybe he really slithered.
I cringe every time I hear the terms "mental health" and "mental
illness." It is an artificial line we draw as a result of the nonsense
spewed by Freud. There are very few "mental health" diagnoses that do
not have at least one integral neurologic component.
@Flashback,I'm with you. It looks like the media has been promoting
a lone gunman similar to the Oswald fiction.Who were the people
involved in the secret works of darkness, murder and abominations that are the
ones truly guilty of gunning down innocent children?Let's let
local law enforcement find the answers and until then let's all assume the
obvious: These murders were done under the tutelage of the Tavistock Institute
in London with their MK Ultra mind control of young boys..... see Montauk boys
mind control. Motive: take away rights of the citizens of the
United States to own guns to protect themselves from the coming Tyranny.
JSB:While I agree with you generally on divorce and this event may
be the trigger for Lanza, I believe Klebold and Harris came from two-parent
homes. The deadliest mass killing of school children was done in 1927 by a man
in his mid 50's who was married and had a family. I actually think mental
illness is the bigger issue rather than marital status. I also think this
combined with massive exposure to violent video games and other media combined
with easy access to guns seems to be the common opponent of the most recent
Something that gave me an extra insight into the story was that Lanza came from
a broken home. The children from homes where the parents are divorced are
significantly more likely to live in poverty, to commit crimes, to go to jail,
to drop out of school, to use drugs, etc., etc., etc. If a child already has
emotional problems then the divorce just aggravates the problem. Parents, grow
up. If you have children then you have a moral responsibility to stay married;
to swallow your pride and provide the best home environment possible for your
innocent children. Your prior poor judgement, your mistakes, should not be
passed on to your children and to generations beyond that. If divorce was cut
way back and parents really dedicated themselves to their children, a huge
amount of our social problems would be reduced. The kids in the school were
victims; but so was Lanza. Better homes and families would completely negate the
need for all these stupid proposals to put armed guards at our schools.
rick122948boise, id@Wayne RoutFunny how selective amnesia
works! The funding cuts that shut down hundreds of mental facilities was one of
Ronnie Reagunns brilliant ideas. Actually, funding cuts to mental
facilities began three years before Reagan even became Gov of California. And,
the movement was part of various advocacy groups and the ACLU. By the way--the
state legislature in CA was controlled by the Democrats. Y'know, the body
that controlled funding. So why was it, after Reagan was out of office, the
legislature didn't just reinstitute funding for mental health facilities?
Because it's not nearly as cut-and-dried as you want to make it out to be.
Even as we speak (meaning this year), states are cutting funding for mental
health services because they don't have the budget for it. But
yeah--let's keep blaming Reagan.
Blue,It would be better to have gun-savvy individuals in all schools than
"gun-free" zones which are an invitation for a disturbed person to
destroy lives and peace. I haven't been around long enough to
remember prohibition, but it wasn't successful. I'm anti-alcohol, but
I recognize that if it were outlawed there would be home brew everywhere; stills
in caves, desserted warehouses, etc. THe same is true for firearms. If outlawed,
the black market would flourish in a day. Suddenly out of the way places would
become factories, with questionable standards. And the smuggling from other
nations would become a nightmare lasting 24/7.In the case of the
disturbed shooter in Newton, somehow his mom didn't see the signs of his
deeper malady. If she had, surely she would have locked up the guns. That
wouldn't have stopped him from killing people, but at least she would had
more sensible precautions in place.
Mr. Rout, like so many others, your post is a complete fabrication. It was
Ronald Reagan who cut mental health funding and closed mental hospitals.But among many of those on the extreme right, it's much easier to
simply spout untruthful nonsense in hopes no one will notice and will be
influenced by whatever agenda one is pushing.
And here we go again talking about the 'shooter' What does this do?
It feeds into someone else trying to out do what this kid did. Loved the
statement above how 'democrats' closed the hospitals. Do you really
believe that? Do you realize that the Kennedy family did more to drive
legislation to help individuals with mental and physical handicaps. Last time I
checked, family members were primarily of the democratic party. I know the NRA
primarily exists of republicans. So lets don't blame one party. Its time
for us all to think this though and come up with some real solutions. Do we
really need assault rifles to take Bambi down? Do we need a cop walking around
in every school? Now THAT is a clown question bro.
Mentally and emotionally ill people can be found in the genealogy of every
family. Some seem kind and non threatening, others create havoc for everyone
coming into their path.Religion pounds "free agency" as one of
it's major tenets.The Newtown massacre and others prior to it, were
masterminded by disturbed people who were well enough to plan their carnage
ahead of time.
@Wayne Rout Funny how selective amnesia works! The funding cuts that shut
down hundreds of mental facilities was one of Ronnie Reagunns brilliant ideas. I
remember news pictures of mental patients in Pennsylvania walking out the doors
of the state hospital that had just been closed. Just one more NRA/Republican
ideologue who has his facts wrong.
Gee, if he had no guns he would have built a bomb The kid had talent. Too
bad Democrats closed al the hospitals where he could have lived.
"Slithered down the halls"? What irresponsible journalism. Say he was
a loner. Say he walked along the walls. Say he avoided contact. Say he was
weird. But slithered? A snake slithers along the ground. He apparently walked
upright on his own two feet. Lanza appears to be way different and apparently
quite evil. But comparing him to a reptile? Come on. The writer is
potentially a college graduate. Like I used to tell my children, "use your
words." Don't stoop to the lowest insult.