Pressure from the NRA

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  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 23, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    cjb, your post about school killings in China is completely false. Why, when it is so easy to verify something like that -- or disprove it -- do so many people choose to continue spreading a lie?

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Dec. 23, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    Unlike Utah 1, I don't feel that the NRA has a "few valid points". To me, they have just one point, which everything they say or write points to: "Everyone except people who are now in jail should buy guns. If you have one now, you need more - many more. You also need more ammo and everything else that goes with gun ownership. But you can decide yourself if you need to keep everything locked up."

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 23, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    China has more students and teachers killed by school invadion than we do, and their people don't have guns, just knives. Guns aren't the problem.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 23, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    I just watched Wayne LaPierre dodging and skirting questions from David Gregory on Meet the Press this morning.

    His rabid obsession with one of the most dangerous and most extreme agendas of any organization in the country was on open display.

    That man and his organization are two of the most foolish and dangerous movements in America today. Let's work to put them where they belong and replace their paranoia with sanity.

    Just last week in Roy, a man with a long history of violent acts shot his wife another woman and then perforated his house with an "assault" weapon. Police say he had many misdemeanor convictions for violent acts -- but he had not yet progressed to a felony. Thus, he was legal in his possession of an arsenal. Officers in Roy say they knew this would happen someday, but under current laws were powerless to do try to do anything.

    Should there be an avenue that will allow someone like this to be taken to court after showing a tendency toward violence to seek prohibiting him from possessing guns?

    There are solutions. We just have to be willing to seek them.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 23, 2012 12:49 a.m.

    Many critical of the NRA did not read the 13 page list of suggestions from their press release. If read in its entirety and in context, it is worth reading.

    Assuming all semi-automatic guns are assault weapons is a mistake.

    We have had fully automatic guns with strict restrictions since WWII. That doesn't mean the bad guys don't get them.

    Even though it is legal to do so, someone is alerted when a person buys enough fertilizer in large enough numbers since the OK bombing.

    One recent suggestion is the simple change of door hardware of school classroom doors. It has also been noted that almost always, the person carrying out large killing sprees tells someone in advance. We need to work better on that area.

    Restricting our ability to protect ourselves isn't the answer. Agreeing with the NRA on a few valid points isn't evil or bribery.

    "The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the Legislature from defining the lawful use of arms"

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 11:14 p.m.

    "...Is it too much to hope that our elected officials would put our welfare ahead of pressure from the NRA?...".


  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Dec. 22, 2012 10:01 p.m.

    The U.S. Health and Human Services Department supplied total and average costs of shooting-related hospital stays, Miller said. The group estimates the cost of lost work -- even uncompensated household chores -- and future earnings with data from the Labor Department and Census Bureau, Miller said.

    Dividing the $174 billion total by the number of guns in the U.S. -- 270 million as reported by the United Nations’ International Small Arms Survey -- the institute calculated the cost to society of each civilian-owned firearm in the U.S. at more than $644.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Dec. 22, 2012 9:58 p.m.

    Well, the next small excuse to buy massive firepower was all the NRA wanted anyway. They are just counting the cash as right wingers flock to every gun store in the country. They were determined to do it anyway.

    Being known as the gun nut capital of the world actually affecting tourism now.

    The sad fact is if those guns kill someone it will most likely be the owner or their family.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 22, 2012 8:43 p.m.


    You are extremely, severely, misinformed.

    What has been reported is that Nancy Lanza was planning to move with her son to Washington so he could attend/participate in a special facility/school there.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 8:07 p.m.

    Chris seem to deny the existence of mental illness in our society choosing instead to blame the tried and true tropes of the right "the media is to blame" and "he was angry his entitlement was taken away". Mike says that "self control will cure violence". Both live in the fantasy world that mental illness does not exist and those who clam it are just weak. I'll bet it fries their bacon every time a jury returns a verdict of "not guilty by reason of insanity". This isn't about taking away the guns of the law abiding, it is about trying to deprive the mentally ill of the means of mass murder. If that offends you, you need to deal with it like the non-gun folk have to live with your gun fetish. Should the Supreme Court rule that the right to bear arms means the obligation to do the same?

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    Don't talk about guns without talking about what motivated this guy. It wasn't the guns. The only hint I heard was a rumor that his mother was going to make him go earn his own way through life and quit living off her. Could he have been motivated by all the talk against the rich? Could he have resented all those rich folks in a well off town, especially when he was expected to start out poor and work his way up (which is what most of us do)? Was he angry that his entitlement was no longer going to be fulfilled by someone else?

    Could this be the reason it is not mentioned in the news? Would it be too tarnishing to the message of the left?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 22, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    Mike In Cedar City,

    Why have laws? That's a good question. Laws affix a PUNISHMENT for illegal activity. Laws do no prevent that activity. We need laws because we need to pre-define punishment. Society must have a way to remove criminals from our midst.

    Laws do not prevent bank robberies or rapes or shootings, but they do affix a penalty for those who rob banks, who rape or who shoot others.

    Two states voted to remove penalties for smoking pot. Time will tell what effect that has on the people of those two states. They voted for self-destruction. That is there right.

    The Constitution guarantees that no one will remove our firearms. No law can be written to do that without an amendment to the Constitution.

    Behavior is not controlled by laws, but by desires to do the right thing. Self-control is the only way that violence will ever be cured. No law can force self-control. Self-control comes when we respect others enough to not force them to do OUR will.

    Forcing, whether with laws, or with a gun, removes our agency to choose to do good on our own.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 22, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    Suicide by cop.

    The perpetrators of the school shootings were on suicide missions, wanting to garner attention by taking as many lives possible.

    The U.S. has one of the highest homicide rates of industrialized countries.

    The presence of a gun is positively correlated with higher rates of suicide and homicide.

    Republicans have decided we should abandon the notion of a police force providing law enforcement and a justice system administering punishment. They argue for more guns--more guns will make us safer, without any evidence to back up their claims.


  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Dec. 22, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    The NRA is not about gun rights. They are all about the right to sell guns. And, we still have best congressional delegation that NRA money can buy. I expect if of the Tea Party Republicans, but Mattheson should change parties. He is no Democrat.

    Mike Richards "No law will stop criminals from doing whatever they want to do". Well Mr. Richards why have any laws at all? There are such countries and perhaps you might consider immigrating. Somalia seems to be your kind of place. No gun restrictions there.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Dec. 22, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    Flashback - we may have had an assault weapons ban in the past but we have never had an assault weapons confiscation. There were still too many such weapons on the street and in the hands of loonies when this law was put in place. If we are going to do something, let's make it more than symbolic. Let's really get those weapons (the ones that no one uses for protection or for hunting) off the streets and locked in a safe military arsenal where they belong.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Hatch, Chafetz, Lee, Bishop and the rest of them will take money from whoever offers it. And they will return the investment with whatever the investor seeks.

    Nothing new here.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 22, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    America is a nation where free people live, people who have God given liberties, people who direct the government and limit the government. This land is unique. Other nations have charters that grant people "freedoms" and "liberties" at the whim of the king or of the government. We hold all rights in America.

    One of the rights that is clearly defined is the right for every citizen to keep and bear arms without interference from the government.

    Law abiding people legally own firearms.

    Law abiding people legally use firearms.

    Law abiding people just firearms properly.

    Criminals disregard law. Criminals cannot legally own or use firearms. Criminals have firearms and they use firearms. No law will ever stop criminals from doing whatever they want to do.

    Freedom is precious. It is not something that we allow to be stripped away because a criminal broke the law. It is not something that we give away in order to have "security".

    We, the people, are responsible for our actions. Criminals must be tried and then put in prison. Free people must never loose freedoms because of the actions of those who will never obey laws.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    I'm not a member of the NRA. This letter is indicative of people that haven't given much thought to the gun arguement. Banning high capacity magazines, so called assault weapons won't solve a thing. All they do is penalize law abiding citizens and take away their rights. Case in point. All of these bans were in effect in 1999 when Colombine happened. None of them prevented that tragedy.

    Out of the millions of gun owners that are law abiding and safe, we have three or four incidents involving 5 or 6 guns and everyone freaks out.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 6:47 a.m.

    I agree with the author of this comment. NRA shouldn't have to "lobby" for gun rights. They are guaranteed by the second amendment to the constitution.

    Sadly, some individuals think those rights shouldn't be upheld.

    Thats why the NRA (and other 2nd amendment groups) exist.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 22, 2012 5:38 a.m.

    Ms. Walton: I hope you take the time to write to the mainstream media sources also and ask them to PLEASE quit putting mayhem and violence scenarios on T.V. (especially free tv).

    The mainstream media are doing their best to control and direct the discussion towards the weapons side of the disaster and, understandably, ignoring their role in the MOTIVATION of perpetrators of violence.
    Idiotic video games may have some culpability here also.

    Any thoughts on how to eliminate them?