House GOP plans vote on fiscal cliff 'Plan B' despite White House veto threat

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 23, 2012 6:34 p.m.


    Lets not let the truth get in the way of the republican desire to go over the cliff and claim that it is the Presidents fault. Other than the low information supporters on the far right, the rest of America knows that the problem was Boehner couldn't get his hard liners to move one inch. He and the President were very close to a compromise which with a couple of additional meetings they could have reached. The problem was if he brought that compromise back and put it up to a vote it would have passed the house primarily because of overwhelming democratic support and a split republican vote. The republicans in the house won't allow anything to come to a vote unless the 45-55 "chuckleheads" in the tea party sign off on it.

    The House Republicans right now are allowing the 44-55 members of the tea party bring this process to a halt. Hopefully after Christmas they will have enough sense and patriotism to do the right thing for America.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    Fred You are right Boehner tried to compromise and all he got from the King is stonewall. The bottom line here is the King wants to go over the so called cliff. He gets his tax increase, he gets to gut the defense dept., and then at the end of the day he rides in on his white horse and proposes tax cuts for the middle class. Pure BS and drama all for his political posturing. Typical.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2012 3:48 p.m.


    Really? Go back to the old standbys,class warfare> By the way help me understand how when the wealthy got bigger tax cuts and that was not class warfare but now asking them to pay a little bit more is class warfare? You say Boehner caved, I say he acted like a statesmen and tried to compromise, but his compromise is not relevant because the radical right drive us off the cliff members of the house want approve a compromise. They won't even allow Boehner to bring a compromise proposal up for a vote.

    Keep up the good work house republicans, your support is diminishing not growing.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    @FRED44 If King Brack wasn't so my way or the hiway the Reps might be more inlined to compromise. matter of fact Boehner has caved more than I like. But you have bought into the class warfare. Evil rich people. Like the man said I never got a job from a poor man. Those taxed that will cause a contraction will affect jobs. Could yours be one of them?

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    So Obama doesn't compromise, Harry Reid calls it quits for Christmas and heads home, and doesn't offer a plan. But yet, libs and the press criticize Boehner and GOP for failure?

    We live in a country with a Corrupt National News Media who take their talking points from Obama and the Democrats. Republicans who are each fiercely independent by nature, have a hard time coming together anyway. But add the media corruption on top of that, it's a very tough hill to climb.

    It won't be long until we live in a One Party Nation. We learned nothing from Communism in the 20th Century. ANd young people, thanks to the NEA and libs, know nothing about the horrors of communism and tyranny.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2012 12:27 p.m.


    The republican mentality is an interesting one. They lose the Presidency, they lose at least 11 seats in the house and 5 seats in the senate, and yet they have a mandate in the house to keep the President in check? The republicans say they shouldn't have to compromise on their principles which means that apparently the democrats who won the White House and picked up seats in both houses should compromise on their principles and agree with the republicans. The upside is by the next Presidential election, the tea party and the far right of the republican party will be gone from our world because more and more Americans have had it with them. The downside is America may not last till the next Presidential election. Lets hope that in 2014 we can eliminate enough of the far right in the house and then congress may be able to do something.

    Oh and by the way I don't think the democrats have all the answers either but they at least concern themselves with more than protecting the ultra wealthy.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    It is interesting, if Obama wont budge it is the Republicans who wont compromise. If the Republicans wont budge the Republicans wont compromise. It is only compromise if the Republicans are the ones who dodge on their principals. Obama did win but it is clearly not a mandate. The republicans won the House and in doing so their obligation is to hold Obama in check. If there is a mandate for one there is a mandate for the other. The whole thing is phony. And of course Obama is the great unifier. He said he would and he has unified. Hah and Hah.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 7:26 a.m.

    I hate to make jokes, because you cannot match the laughs the right have generated the last few months. Pounding chests about the greatest election ever, then getting one they don't like. Then spewing sour grapes over the fiscal cliff holding assault weapons with 30 round clips. But fear not, Hannity and Limbaugh have it figured out!

  • Grammy3 SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 1:08 a.m.

    I just wished that we could wipe the slate clean and get rid of all of them back there in Washington. To me no one is doing their job. If we lived in a perfect world we would have people who would go back to Washington not to get paid for doing their jobs but to do it without pay except for their living expenses. Then we might see things happen. It is to bad that none us have those rights like those who serve in the Government back there. They get so much when they no longer are in office their health care is so much better than ours. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of what they get and for doing what. It starts from the very top with the President and goes on down to every single one of them back there.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:12 p.m.

    Twice as many Americans say they trust the president more in handling this fiscal situation (38%) than House Speaker John Boehner and the congressional Republicans (19%)," reports NBC/WSJ poll.

    The Republican Party has a 30%.favorability rating

    The Democratic Party has a 44% favorability rating.

    NBC also notes that "significant majorities believe Obama holds a clear mandate from the election on issues related to this subject:

    -- 68% say he has a mandate on cutting taxes for families earning less than $250,000 per year;

    -- 65% say he has a mandate on reducing the deficit by both increasing taxes on the wealthy and reducing federal spending;

    -- And 59% say he has a mandate on eliminating the Bush-era tax cuts for household income over $250,000 a year."

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    I am so tired of President Obama trying to compromise with the Tea Party Republicans. They don't know the meaning of the word. He should just let the sequester happen and then try to work with the new Congress to fix the problems that result. These people will stand by their ridiculous ideology, no matter how severe the consequences. They still want to worsen the recession/depression, so they'll have another chance to run things (oops, I mean ruin things) in 2014 and 2016.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 20, 2012 8:41 p.m.


    Actually it is a no win situation for America. In terms of congress, it doesn't matter, Americans continue to vote these fools back in office, and they continue to play their silly little games.

    I heard Representative Chaffetz on the radio the other day talking about the need to hold people accountable for the security problems in Libya. He spoke of the need to fire those who had failed to do their jobs and provide adequate protection to the embassy and its staff.

    I wish the good representative would apply that same logic to congress. If you should be fired for not doing your job, their should be 535 openings on January 1st.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 7:48 p.m.

    "...I triple-dog dare you...".

    John Boehner's adaptation of the negotiation ploy made famous in A Christmas Story.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 20, 2012 6:13 p.m.

    Plan B includes:

    Cuts to food stamps that could knock millions of low-income Americans out of the program;

    – Cuts to Meals on Wheels, a program that delivers meals to seniors or other individuals who are unable to prepare their own food;

    – Cuts funding to health exchanges that will be created under Obamacare and funding for Medicaid included in the same law;

    – Cuts to the Dodd-Frank financial reform law that will yield no cost savings, but will make bailouts of big banks more likely;

    – Denying the Child Tax Credit to the parents of American children.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Dec. 20, 2012 5:52 p.m.

    Fifty-three percent of people, including 22 percent of Republicans, said the GOP's views and policies have pushed them beyond the mainstream. The number is up dramatically from previous years. In 2010, fewer than 40 percent thought the party was too extreme.

    Democrats were considered to be a "generally mainstream" party by 57 percent in the new CNN poll.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 20, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    It is not up to Obama to tell the House how to write laws. Harry Reid can "sidetrack" anything that he wants, but that does not solve the problem.

    Obama wants things to crash. He wants the "Reichstag" to burn. He's not at all concerned about the people of this nation or our nation's credit. He's only concerned about his own interests. He, like, those before him who manipulate "crises", use every opportunity to disrupt and to destroy. He's in full form. He will do anything to hurt the country that he swore an oath to protect. He refuses to admit that raising taxes will not solve the problem. He refuses to admit that the additional revenue will only fund his spending for less than a month. He believes that Americans are so ignorant that they will blame the House, instead of putting the blame where it belongs, right at his feet.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 2:55 p.m.


    Throw these bums out!

    Americans clearly want the tax rates to rise on the rich and yet these bums refuse to perform the will of the American people.

    Democracy cannot function if our elected officials do not perform what they were elected to do.

    Get rid of the Tea Party wack jobs!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 1:45 p.m.


    Rather than compromising and finding middle ground and a REAL solution,
    The GOP decides to go for broke.


    The double over-time Hail-Mary-pass of despairation.

    I'm SOooooo looking forward to the 2014 elections and cleaning the House!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    Way to go GOP. You can't get anything done. Worst Congress ever!!