Negotiations continue on fiscal cliff as House Speaker John Boehner readies backup plan

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  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    Trying to educate imbeciles through posts on newspaper article is so asinine that I should kick myself in the rear end for even trying.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Remember, there are people that are like wolves in sheep's clothing. Both parties have leaders in them that give the appearance that they are for all people but they both have agendas for themselves, not the country as a whole. When you promise people the stars, that is fine. But how do you get to the stars you were promised? You can't get from here to there, realistically, pragmatically, financially, physically, physiologically, or do to ability.

    We have not pushed our elected officials on how they are going to do what they promised. They get elected because their opponents and they are just up for getting elected. They are actors on the stage of principles? We don't judge people on principles anymore, we vote due to the campaigning and advertisements. That relates to who has the most money to get their message out.

    You end up voting for the person who is not the best but who has the most dollars and backing of people with dollars.

    We are a country at a time when principles don't count and prejudices looked at due to an advertisement.

    People need basics in their life, not rhetoric.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    The Mouse the Roared is fictional as many of the Democratic philosophies in a dream land.

    This President came to power with class warfare mentality and has pulled in his Chicago type of liberals that have built their whole city political system in the past 140 years on that type of philosophy, unions against employers.

    He is trying to surface that type of feeling today after the Unions basically used their tactics with the Department of Labor as the government muscle man to force companies overseas due to regulations that were unprofitable. Those OSHA and EPA regulations are still a significant impact due to the Union and environmentalist input and with this administration his voting block, not by party but by beliefs and philosophies.

    The Supreme Court decision was such a large part of the Union's thrust this past election and was an unknown thought 4 years earlier. The Democrats were able to use that decision as an impetus for them through advertising that it would be perilous for common folk as the Republicans would use all the corporate monies to thwart entitlements and programs.

    Everyone will find out who the demon really is as money is spent on programs.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    I cannot believe how so many liberals in this country (the great majority wouldn't know what to do with $250k if they made it) are so intent on "soaking" the other guy. Even if we taxed them at 100%, it would not cover our deficit because the financially illiterate dems running the country don't know how to control spending.

    What is really disconcerting is the "give me the money" dems don't realize the government is NOT the source of the wealthy's money. They act like it belongs to the government in the first place and the wealthy are evil because they hold onto it.

    Those who take take take take take without putting anything in will NEVER be satisfied. When you effectively CUT spending (a bucket with no bottom will never be filled no matter how much water you throw in) and INCREASE the percentage of people actually paying INCOME tax (47% don't) so more people actually have their OWN skin in the game, THEN come and talk to me about increasing the rates on those who are already paying 80-90% of total personal income taxes paid!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 7:23 a.m.

    JWB, your history recall is skewed to the right. The huge deficits we suffer right now were caused by George Dubya's undeclared war against the mouse that roared.

    He and his administration convinced the American people that Husein had WMDs that never existed and gave us the feeling that we had won some great battle against terrorism.

    Where is Dubya now?

    He's disappeared into obscurity, never to be heard from again. At least that's a good thing.

    Our current economy is built on a false sense of security that as the wealthy get even wealthier and the ones in need carry them on their shoulders, that the country will be strong as safe.

    They talk about not passing debt on to the next generations, but they want all they can get now for themselves.

    The last balanced budget was during the Clinton administration and the Republicans have done more to put us in this financial crisis than anything else.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:30 p.m.

    This has not just been confined to the Democrats but they have controlled the front office and the Congress for most of the past 100 years so there is a lot of responsibility on their party, which has been a party of spending. The significant programs of the 1970s and 1990s were from the Democratic Presidents and Congress. Republicans were involved in those processes. President Carter stopped all federal and military pay raises during his tenure, which then allowed President Reagan to significantly raise salaries once again with inflation at 20 percent, was devastating for many, many, people. When interest came down to 13 percent that was almost a miracle. People still bought homes but that was when the price market in California went so high and kept on going up that the market finally met it's fate in 2007 and 2008 with the significant downfall.

    California can't afford all the taxes, fees, and allowances for their government to run the main utilities along with the social and welfare programs. Governors come and go but the legislature there keeps on spending, corruption or not. That is a significant impact for the whole United States of America. President Obama should learn.

  • rick122948 boise, id
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:29 p.m.

    The problem in Washington is that both Democrats and Republican senators and representatives sold their souls to the 1% in order to get elected. Until we institute real election/campaign finance reform and throw out the lobbyists and the power brokers, get rid of the PAC's and move toward government that sees past it's next campaign the American people will continue to be manipulated and decieved and the country will keep sinking into the hole we are in now.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    What bother me is that they want to hurt seniors on Social Security. One of the proposals is to revamp the cost of living increase for Social Security and make it a lot less. This would put many seniors in a much worse situation than they are right now because the prices of things keep going up, but Social Security recipients will not have enough money to keep up with it. Many seniors are already poor and can't afford food and medicine at the same time. To cut Social Security in any way would do damage to the old and the sick who can't fight back. I don't know why they don't cut their own raises and cost of living increases and give up perks and lavish retirement plans. Congress is a bloated money-sopping sponge who reaches out to grab what it can from the weak, the needy and the poor. But when it comes to touching their wealth and over-paid jobs, there is no way they would ever give up even a sliver of it. Didn't they just give themselves a pay raise?

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 5:06 p.m.

    I cannot believe how so many Republicans in this state (the great majority of whom make far less than $250k are so intent on "protecting" the "poor" super rich from a tax increase and would rather have us all go over the cliff and increase their own taxes by more than $2k per year.

    When will they wake up as smell the roses? Not until they see their spending power reduced by $2k plus.

    Then they will have to ask themselves why the guys they voted for who swore to work against higher taxes have all lined up to butter up the super rich at the expense of those who earn less than $250k!


    Dec. 18, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    Badger55: Of course Boehner's plan would not pass the Senate and Pres. Obama's concessions won't satisfy the House which is unwilling to raise taxes on anyone and so Harry Reid stands firm.

    The Democratic Senate is just as stupid as the Republican House. Pres. Obama is willing to let the tax cut expire on only those with taxable income above $ 400,000 and reduce cost of living - BOTH are big compromises while Boehner is willing to let the tax cut expire for those making over $ 1,000,000.

    Pres. Obama has made more compromise than Boehner who needs to accept the $ 400,000 level with reduction in cost of living raises for Social Security.

    Will the Utah Tea Party Senators Hatch and Chaffetz support any agreement Boehner negotiates?

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    Dec. 18, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    You must have missed the part in the article when Harry Reid said that Boehner's plan would not pass the Senate and that he needs to go through the white house. Beohner is compromising enough that even republicans don't like it, but Harry Reid refuses to accept it. Boehner is calling the Dems bluff and they are having a hard time with it.

  • Florwood American Fork, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    Sounds like the Democratic Senate and Republican house aren't unwilling to compromise, since the millionaire tax in Boehner's proposal isn't enough for Dem's, and too much for the Rep's. Anonymous legislators impeding progress on a deal...

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 18, 2012 3:00 p.m.


    What got us in this mess is excessive spending.

    This country survive its first 150 years without federal income tax.

    All this country ever needed, was a ten percent tax on imports, and exports. That's it, and just that simple.

    We've become a helpless society,--dependent on government. Like a child to their parents.

    It's a shame.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    Mr. Boehner gets it but sadly his party doesn't. As the article says, he can't even draw enough support in his own party to pass this attempt at compromise. This is why we are in this mess to begin with. President Obama and Mr. Boehner negotiated in good faith in the summer of 11 and got to a point where neither one was very happy (probably a good place for America) and the tea party shot him down. The far right is ok with restoring the 2% FICA tax because that would hit the poor and middle class much harder, but would much rather see us go over the cliff than raise any taxes on the wealthy.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:20 p.m.