The president's response to Boehner's most recent fiscal cliff proposal could be the one

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  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 8:25 a.m.

    Tators -- FALSE!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:15 p.m.

    I would like to not blame the President for the budget process.

    However, step one of the President's Budget Request is on or before the first Monday in February. He submits to Congress a detailed budget request for the coming federal fiscal year, which begins on October 1. (In years where there is a change in administration, the budget is submitted later.) This budget request, developed by the President's OMB, plays three important roles. First, it tells Congress what the President recommends for overall federal fiscal policy, as established by three main components: (1) how much money the federal government should spend on public purposes; (2) how much it should take in as tax revenues; and (3) how much of a deficit (or surplus) the federal government should run, which is simply the difference between (1) and (2). Most years federal spending exceeds tax revenues and the resulting deficit is financed through borrowing. Second, the budget request lays out the President's priorities for programs — how much he believes should be spent on each Department's programs. The third role that the President's budget plays is to signal Congress what spending and tax changes he recommends.

    The President hasn't done this.

  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    Dec. 18, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    That an agreement might be reached is good new I suppose.

    That much said, I still struggle with the notion that the way to solve financial problems is to extract more money from people so that we can continue to spend more than we have.

    How nice it would be if to solve my personal financial struggles, I just had to get my Social Democrat wife to agree to not go out to so many expensive restaurants and then I would agree to spend more than we have -- and raise our own debt ceiling.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    did you read the article? Obama has made several concessions. please at least read and try to be somewhat truthful in your comments.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 2:39 p.m.

    @not thinkin
    and when you already have a debt problem simply cutting spending is not going to help you pay back that debt. It is going to take both cuts and revenue anything else is worthless.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:22 p.m.


    You are 100% correct when you say that the President has responsibility to submit a budget RECOMMENDATION. The Congress then must pass (well at least they are suppose to pass even though they haven't in a couple of years) a budget that may be exactly what the President proposes or completely opposite or somewhere in between. The President can then sign it into law or veto it and send it back to congress who can override his veto with a 2/3 vote.

    If the Congress doesn't pass a budget the President really has no power over the purse strings. Since congress hasn't passed a budget in two years, the President really has had no control over any spending in the last two years.

    I know some of you spend a lot of time listening to the gospels of Rush, Shaun and Glen, but could you at least kind of be honest instead of simply blaming the President for everything that happens in this world that you do not like.

    Mr. Boehner could come up with a great plan, bet 2/3 of congress (veto proof) to go along with it and he could bypass the President.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    To "One Old Man".
    It really is you that should do your research. Please read the Forbes article dated June 16, 2012 by economist Peter Ferrara:

    It articulates how "after just one year of the Obama spending binge, federal spending had already rocketed to 25.2% of GDP, the highest in American history except for World War II." Furthermore, "Official figures show federal spending increasing from $2.983 trillion in 2008 to an all time record $3.796 trillion in 2012, an increase of 27.3%."

    Moreover, "before Obama there had never been a deficit anywhere near $1 trillion. The highest previously was $458 billion, or less than half a trillion, in 2008. Obama has since had 4 straight years over $1.3 trillion deficits... each the highest in world history by far."
    "Obama has increased the national debt as much as all prior Presidents, from George Washington to George Bush, combined."

    Obama truly is "the world's all-time biggest government spender... by far." He is in the process of utterly ruining our economy and especially our children's future. It will next to impossible to recover from.

    Dec. 18, 2012 12:34 p.m.

    very concerned: You are right: compromise is a GOOD thing. Pres. Obama needs to meet John Boehner halfway and realize the Democrats need to also compromise.

    Before Obama and the Democrats get all the blame for spending too much, answer these questions:

    #1 How much money has been spent on the 2 unfunded wars?

    #2. How much was revenue reduced because of the George W. Bush tax cuts?

    and yes, how much has Social Security Trust Fund been reduced by Obama's reduction in the witholding tax rate?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    For those that say, spending is the responsibility of Congress, that is not necessarily the whole part of the process. The President has his departments and agencies for months prepare a budget for their various groups and then the OMB has a part in the process to ensure they have it done correctly in accordance with regulations, procedures, fiduciary responsibility, etc. Then the President sends his proposed budget to the Congress and the House and Senate do their parts and add in their sacred ear-marks and then agree on it for the President to sign off on.

    At home or workplace you don't blame everything on your husband, wife or children on the income and expenditure part. You have shared responsibility in doing that. Children may not understand the impact of income and spending but over the years they may eventually grab what that means.

    Many people with higher education and jobs that require specific CPA or Accounting knowledge don't apply those standards. Treasury Secretary Geithner didn't apply those principles when he didn't pay income taxes when he was up for appointment. You can lead a horse to water but can't it drink.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    Not surprising to read these comments after Utah joined the Confederacy in the last election. I don't know of a single economist who thinks that going over the cliff would be a good thing. Lets try to put this simply, so the DesNews readers might be able to understand it:

    You own a small business. In a good year, you have extra money. If you're a Keynesian, you pay off previous debts, expand a little, and save some. If you're a Republican, you start a price war with your competition, cutting profits, and borrowing. Comes the bad year. If you're a Keynesian, you curtail spending, and borrow against your line of credit to keep the doors open. You'll pay the debt off when things improve. If you're a Republican, you keep spending, borrowing more, and sell your failing business to a Democrat, telling him to fix the mess. Then you advertise in the local papers telling people not to buy at his store, hoping to see the Democrate fail like you did.

    But the Democrat is a Keynesian, so he manages to keep the doors open. You throw a tantrum.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    Our government has a spending problem, not a taxing problem. Yes, Obama likes to spend more than most but the entire government is the problem. The debt belongs to all of us and will bury us if things don't change. What is freedom worth?

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    And the dems and president said no again. Higher taxes on millionaires, debt ceiling pushed back two years on spending cuts, and the dems said no. Can you say Obama's my way or the highway, no compromise here. The fiscal cliff is owned by the democrats.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    "Obama's decision not to seek an extension of a temporary payroll tax cut..." Are these the Bush Era Tax Cuts? I have not heard what is happening to those. Expiration of those cuts would increase the federal tax rates on the middle class. I have not heard the status of those cuts in the current debate. (I think they should have been eliminated when we went to war in Afghanistan).

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    *Boehner is not a true Republican because he recognizes that both sides need to compromise.*

    If you are saying compromise is inherently bad, I disagree. I think our founding fathers were quite aware that they needed to compromise for the union to survive. As I remember it from school, there were significant compromises on significant issues by strong-minded men of high morals on all sides of the aisle. They knew they had to compromise to get this dream we call our nation to live.

    I don’t think compromise must always be a weakness. Personally, I’m tired of year-after-year bickering and stone-walling regarding the fiscal cliff. They fight and refuse to act like mature adults to get the job done. It’s very discouraging.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    @ Noodlekaboodle. Yes, Mitt lost but our country lost even more. Our grandchildren lost the most. Who else is left to pay Obama's entitlement bills?

  • Noodlekaboodle Millcreek, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:41 a.m.

    Mitt lost. Get over it.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    It is just as in the time of the Children of Israel wanted their government to be just like their neighboring countries. The Lord told them no but finally after many attempts He allowed them to have a King, a very good person to begin with such as Saul, David and Solomon. However, they took on the pride of their position and the people suffered due to their wanting to be like their neighbors.

    We have had a Constitution of the United States of America as our guiding light for over 200 years with very few amendments due to that difficult process. That is good as we can't change the basic document very easily.

    However, the executive orders can somewhat subvert that process. In the past 4 years, this Administration hasn't even got a proposed budget, even when his party controlled both houses of Congress. The Republicans didn't have the say so on that. The President pushed Obamacare and not the budget. He wanted us to spend into delirium without knowing the intake of budgetary processes. He subverted the parliamentary processes with his administration to pass and then read. Numbers can be read before passing and signing.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    Increasing taxes was a symbolic concession, for Obama's principle. Now, Obama, you've got your symbolic principle. It is time to get serious. Not some wimply little reduction in the cost of living for social security. Means tests the affluent for social security. Raise the retirement age. You talked about $4 trillion in cuts two years ago but you wanted your symbolic tqx on the rich. Now, you have your symbolic concession, now, cut benefits to the affluent.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Obama spending? Did they change the constitution when I wasn't looking? Spending is a function of congress not the President.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:48 a.m.

    To anyone who has done even a little research into the REASONS behind Obama's supposed spending sprees, the comments blaming him for the mess we are in is sickening.

    President Obama has actually initiated far less new spending than his Republican predecessors starting with Reagan.

    He has been stuck with the ongoing effects of tax cuts that were permanently etched into granite by previous administrations and by two of President Cheney's unfunded wars.

    Why does it seem to be so difficult for some people to do a little simple research before spouting off?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    This President could have done this type of movement a year ago when the Republicans offered him a budget, several times. Instead, it was the political side of this President, which is the only side he has, that kept him from doing it.

    If he had done this type of move with Mitt Romney at his doorstep, it would have played into Mitt's abilities as a business person. Budgets, income in and payments going out, is what government is also to be about.

    It takes both income and payments to make a government move, with fiduciary responsibility. It is good that the President is finally attempting, after 4 years to move forward on a budgetary process. If it actually happens, it will be a miracle. He still plays the make a crisis and take advantage of it to show his power to make and for people to fear the consequences.

    The United States of America has been on this road to fiscal ruin with a Democratic Congress for more than 50 years with some moments of Republican input. People like to think that they are fiscally responsible, but that means taking in the reigns of spending, which they don't like.

    Dec. 18, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    Boehner is not a true Republican because he recognizes that both sides need to compromise.

    Would residents of Utah be happy if Hill Air Force Base closes because of "No New Taxes"?

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:03 a.m.

    When you have a spending problem, more income will only result in a bigger spending problem.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    Big whoop.

    Our boat is sinking from excessive spending. Obama and Boehner may agree on a slightly larger bucket to bail with. But it really does nothing to fix the spending holes int he boat which are causing it to sink.

    And, as has been proven over and over again, Obama simply cannot be trusted to do what he says. No verbal "agreement" is worth anything at all, and we are at the point where converting a verbal agreement to specific legislative language in the next 13 days is nearly impossible to do and still have time to see what is in it. Never again should we have to "pass a bill to see what is in it" as happened with Obamacare.

    In any case, Obama will continue to spend trillions of dollars more than we take in every year for the next four years. When the Chinese grow wary of lending us more money, the interest alone on our debt will finish the destruction of our economy, savings and earnings.

    Obama won the election, but this "fix" repairs nothing although the liberal media will say it has.

    Stop the spending!

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    Amen, I-am-I.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:29 a.m.

    this plan does nothing. 1.3 trillion over ten years and budget cuts that are at best 1.2 trillion over 10 years? that's only 2trillion dollar difference over ten years. are you kidding me? that's nothing. our national debt is around 16 trillion. at Obama's spending rate it'll be well above 20 trillion when he is done and people are happy about an additional 1.3 trillion over 10 years? can anyone in the Washington do math, listen to an accountant or accept the fact that their ability to do budgets(90%of a politicians job) is seriously below par?

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:21 a.m.

    Frankly, the "fiscal cliff" would be the best thing for the US.

    - It would provide much needed spending cuts and tax increases.
    - It would show the spendthrifts on Capitol Hill that our economy CAN handle austerity measures.
    - It would provide REAL impetus to revamp the tax code, health care and the role of the Federal Government.

    This cat and mouse will end up in nothing but more disappointment for the American people. Too little, too late of the wrong actions.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:01 a.m.

    I feel sorry for the makers of Turbo Tax. Whatever the tax laws will be for this next year, they'll have precious little time to get it into their programs before it's time for people to start filing their taxes. Poor programmers.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 6:38 a.m.

    Finally, a potential agreement on both sides that those most able to carry the burden ought to be those who most carry it.

    Goodness knows Republicans aren't against higher taxes, for they are fighting that those at the lower end, who pay state and local taxes also pay federal taxes. .. i.e. they are fighting to raise taxes on those at the lower end while fighting tooth and nail that those on the higher end don't get a tax break.

    We have dug ourselves into a debt hole and getting out will require sacrifice (i.e. pain). It was really stupid for our national leaders to suppose that all this debt would not hurt our country. That we could get into costly and needless wars and this would somehow be good for us. If those at the lower ends are going to be called on to sacrifice to pay for the stupidity of our elected leaders, then those at the upper end are going to have to sacrifice too.

    Its always those at the lower end whose kids are tempted by recuiters, not the wealthy kids. We need to keep this in mind.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 6:16 a.m.

    I am so thankful that my corrupt government FORCED my to contribute to Social Security all of my life. It is such a rewarding investment. I have had no control over it. It was forced upon me. At my death my family gets nothing. And now there is no increase in earnings. I do not mind paying my share but I hear no cuts for the takers in our society. How about no cell phones. What a scam the U.S. Government is.

  • Albert Maslar CPA (Retired) Absecon, NJ
    Dec. 18, 2012 6:09 a.m.

    Can House Speaker John Boehner be trusted to strike a correct fiscal cliff accord with his private negotiations with President Obama? Boehner wasted two years of control of excessive spending and national debt limit increases. Speaker Boehner is a hypocritical paper tiger Republican In Name Only RINO! Boehner talks a good game prior to his usual last-minute caving to Obama as his two year tenure as Speaker proves. At the beginning of the Speaker’s House majority, Boehner caved numerous times so that in his own words, “He would live to fight another day;” the day the GOP would control the House, Senate, and Presidency. That did not happen so how is going to conduct the fight against the fiscal cliff without his gang of all three branches of government?

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 5:25 a.m.

    I don't know how Boehner will sell this to his Republican colleagues. He is giving the Democrats about everything they want without anything of much consequence in exchange. These are job-killing proposals and I would imagine few Republicans will buy this. What the President wants is the ability to raise the debt limit without Congressional approval for two years. If Boehner gives him that, he will bargain away the only chip the Republicans have to restrain the Democrats. In all of these talks, there is still no recognition of the spending problem in Washington. Boehner seems content to come up with an agreement regardless of the fiscal consequences or his party's base. I think he should walk away from these talks and let the Democrats own the mess they are creating.

  • TA1 Alexandria, VA
    Dec. 18, 2012 5:12 a.m.

    Perhaps the Republican has remembered what "We The People" really means.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    More smoke and mirrors. Until we have a 'done deal" no one knows what we will have.

    Anyone remember a little program called "Obamacare" and how many pages there were that no one had even read before it was voted in?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 10:53 p.m.

    It will be great if these two gentlemen can come to an agreement that lets us move forward, avoiding the escarpment. Here's hoping they can, and that it forms the basis of cooperation moving forward. Best christmas present ever.