Pumping desert water

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  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    Re: ". . . SUWA is the SOUTHERN Utah Wilderness Alliance (Snake Valley is in Western Utah)."

    Actually, Snake Valley and its associated aquifers extend clear down into Iron County -- which, for the edification of East Bench liberals, is generally considered Southern Utah.

    Whatever their alibis, however, NONE of the tree hugger organizations is standing up for or doing anything to defend Snake Valley water.

    Or the rest of Utah, that will be severely affected by the death of the West Desert, for that matter.

    I'll bet reckless, feckless tree huggers are glad they have someone like you to stick up for them when they show their true political stripe.

  • john mclane Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    "here's SUWA? Where's Earth Justice, or Sierra Club?"

    First, SUWA is the SOUTHERN Utah Wilderness Alliance (Snake Valley is in Western Utah).
    Second, Earth Justice is a network of attorneys who provide service to those who request it. The Great Basin Water Network has not requested their help, so they are not involved.
    Third, the Sierra Club HAS led field trips and issued statements on Snake Valley:

    "A joint Utah-Nevada Sierra Club outing ably lead by David von Seggern arrived in Snake Valley..." and "Ranchers (and the Sierra Club) say the pumping will destroy the environment and the valley's communities in both Utah and Nevada."

    A simple google search could have revealed all of this to you within seconds, but why let the facts get in the way of a good argument, right?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    And, where are the tree huggers that usually have so much to say about anything occurring in the eastern and southern parts of the state?

    Where's SUWA? Where's Earth Justice, or Sierra Club?

    Funny how they jump up and down and throw a tantrum about any action known to have even the smallest, de minimus effect in any other part of the state. But when it comes to something that will literally kill the West Desert -- they're AWOL.


  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 19, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Why does the D-News raise the court bogeyman to conclude Utah should sign an agreement with Nevada.
    Did the D-News have someone analyze and project what the expected court results would be? Did the three wise water attorneys? I don't think so. Instead the D-News and Utah State Government would rather play the victim card. It's so much easier to say there is an undefined risk in going to court instead of doing the work necessary to protect Utah's water rights.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Dec. 18, 2012 7:14 p.m.

    Well Redshirt, you are welcome to all oil company's recycled water you can drink.

    If BP's gulf is any example of what they think is "back to normal" you won't last long.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Bear Lake, The Great Salt Lake, Utah Lake really don't count unless you mean we should use all that water before it gets to the lakes? We live in a desert, with a population that is already competing for limited water, but I guess a head in the sand requires no water.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    To "JoeBlow" you realize that water is also measured in acre-feet, wich is about 271,000 gallons. The Colorado river annually moves 1.5 million acre feet of water. The amount needed for a single, with less than 1/2 of that being used by the time it hits the ocean.

    A typical fracking hole will use up to 5 million gallons of water, which is about 20 acre feet of water, or .000013% of the water going through the colorado river in a year, or .00025% of the unused water in the colorado river in a year. Now, if most of that water can be recycled during the extraction process, the initial need for water will be the worst, and even then it is nearly an insignificant drop in the bucket for what flows naturally through the state.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    Flash, not in Cache County, Salt Lake County, Utah County, Davis County, Weber County. Uintah County has quite a bit also. I think Sanpete is pretty well heeled with water.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:18 p.m.


    The most consistent estimate is 3 barrels of water for ever barrel of oil. A barrel is 43 gallons.

    Are "millions" of gallons needed?

    All depends on how much oil you intend to get.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    To "Screwdriver" millions of gallons are not needed. The oil companies are aware of the limited resources. If you bothered to actually look to see what they are doing to mitigate their water use, you would see that along with developing techniques for extracting oil from shale, they are figuring out how to recycle the water that they do use.

  • brightness Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    The 5 valleys proposed for pumping by the SNWA GWD does not and will not include the science of recharge of the groundwater, the groundwater recharge is wholly and solely dependent on how much snow and rainfall is recieved annually, unfortunately the reports dismisses this important scientific information in making the determine on how much groundwater is available. The project will take more water out than the recharge which will upset the water equilibrium. Therefore, to take the water recharge factor out of the equation is discounting science. No agreement will protect the environment from being dried out and the valleys becoming dust valleys. This affects everything the plants, the animals, the trees, and the existence of life as we know today.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    Water is a premium everywhere in Utah, Flash.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 18, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Headline says "Umping Water"? Baseball reference perhaps?

    Hey Screwdriver, different end of the state in the shadow of the Uinta Mountain Drainage for Oil Shale. Not the western desert area that this article is talking about where water is at a premium.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Dec. 18, 2012 3:33 a.m.

    And people actually believe there are millions of extra gallons of water that can be used for shale oil extraction ?