No budging as fiscal cliff talks appear stalled

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    Liberals are found with both Democrats, and Republicans.

    Liberals started the War on Poverty in 1964. Ten trillion dollars later, we are losing the battle. Poverty is spreading like cancer.

    Soon, we'll all be under "Obama's Care". The United States of America?

    He didn't build that! Some one else did that.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 9:31 p.m.


    Not necessarily sure that this would be the great deal for the rich that you claim it would be, but that's ok.

    I find your comment interesting about he who suffered all did so to make sure you wouldn't be forced to help others. I respectfully disagree with your assertion as to why he suffered. I believe he suffered for a much higher purpose than what you I or anyone else pays in taxes. As I recall he said something like render unto to Caesar what is Caesar's. I think he was more concerned about how you and I and everyone else treats those who are less fortunate. You are very concerned about the rich and treating them "fairly", again not to sure he was concerned about the rich keeping their money. I think he made his thoughts on this pretty clear when he said something about the rich heaven a camel and a needle.

    There is no reason to have hungry people in a country that has been so blessed. I may be wrong but I believe he is very disappointed in those who claim his name but fail to take care of his children.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    You are right, that organization believes in helping the poor, but it is led by someone who suffered all so that we would not be FORCED to help others.

    10% flat rate on everything? OK, MY taxes would go up as would taxes for the vast majority of us. The "rich" BO is always talking about soaking would see their taxes go down.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 11:10 a.m.


    And that local organization expects 10% on the gain. It doesn't differentiate between capital gains, dividends salary etc. That same organization doesn't care if that money is made in America or outside of America. Now if you want to adopt that policy for America I am with you.

    That same organization believes in giving the poor a hand up without having to beat them up. That same organization has said we can find good people in all political parties. That same organization preaches love not hate, and believes that we should respect others that may disagree with them.

    I have no problem adopting the model espoused by the organization you speak of, but lets not cherry pick the things we like and ignore the rest.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Dec. 13, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    Yes, in four short years, the "liberals" have created a third-word country. Actully, make that 2 years, as that is the only time they had a majority. That's an amazing feat!

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    you are confusing wealth and income - while correlated, they are not the same. Someone who spends $200/month on an income of $600/month will accumulate more wealth than someone who spends $1200/month on an income of $1201/month.

    And I did not see ANYWHERE in Mountanman's comment a call for everyone to pay the same amount in taxes - typical tactic of the left, misquote an argument they cannot refute.

    I know of a local organization that requires ALL its members in good standing to donate at exactly the same RATE, even those its supports through its welfare functions, but that does not mean all donate the same amount. And I trust the author of that rule MUCH more than I could ever trust BO and the dems.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2012 8:09 a.m.


    So I must assume from your comment that you think that every American regardless of income level or wealth should pay the exact same amount in taxes. It would be irrelevant that 70% of the wealth in America is controlled by only 6% of Americans, we should all be paying the same.

    The reason the number of people paying taxes is shrinking is really very simple. For all but the top 20% of income earners everyone else is going backward on the salary schedule and has been going backward since trickle down economics started in 1979.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 8:40 p.m.

    Better to fall off the cliff than to move forward without spending limits.

    Barack seems to only be concerned about his promise to stick it to the rich. The president has shown no desire to restrict spending or manage any budget.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 12, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    Wow! Detroit loss half of its population, and is bankrupt. The price of a house starts at a thousand dollars, and neighborhoods are being bull dozed. Go to Craigslist and check the house prices.

    Liberals are creating a third world country, and people with handouts can't see what's going on.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Dec. 12, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    According to the Tax Foundation's Scott Hodge,(a non-partisan commission to study tax policy) "Only 13% of US citizens earn more than $100,000 yet they pay 87% of the nation's income tax." "America is becoming divided between a shrinking group of taxpayers who are bearing the lion's share of the costs of government and a growing group of taxpayers who are disconnected from those costs". "Of 143 million returns filed in 2010, 41% owed nothing to the IRS, up from 25.2% in 2000".
    The thing that should worry Democrats is the fact that the number of people who actually pay taxes is shrinking while those who pay no taxes is increasing! The "rich' paying more taxes without government spending cuts is like pouring a quart of gasoline in your gas tank on a car that gets .00000005 miles/gallon. Come on Democrats, wise up!