GOP uses Obama's old deficit stands against him; Democrats say current stances are the ones that matter

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  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 2:32 p.m.

    ask those who put those deductions in place - I would assume because those things stimulate the economy

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Dec. 12, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    Lost, why should people get a tax deduction for buying a house? Why should people get a tax deduction for having kids?

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Dec. 12, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    To "justamacguy" if we go back to Clinton tax rates, can we restore all tax law to the Clinton era levels, along with regulations and spending? Tax rates are just one variable in the equation.

    If we went to Clinton era levels, that will cut over $500 billion from current deficits.

    Personally I think that the Republicans are just starting to wake up to what Obama will do to them. If they give into any of Obama's plans then when the plans fail the Republicans will be blamed because he has the tapes saying that he wanted something different.

    Either way they will be blamed, so I would like to see them fight for what is best for the country and not politically expedient.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    It's called flip-flop. Or did that only apply to Romney during the election?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    I have NO problem eliminating the earned income credit. NONE! Why should people get back more than they pay?
    And why should we subsidize student loans?
    Those would be two great places to cut.

  • xscribe Colorado Springs, CO
    Dec. 11, 2012 9:12 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber: You forgot the home mortgage deduction, the child tax credit, student loans, earned income tax credit, veteran's benefits, and the GI Bill.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 8:34 p.m.

    On budgeting our entire country, states, and local and school districts, you have to have a basic plan that starts somewhere.

    This President doesn't know how to spell budget. He knows how to spend, spend, and spend into the twilight zone. He promises the stars to anyone who he deals with, whether the Unions, special interests, his political buddies and especially his Chicago bred group that has surfaced in the past with the Daley type of approach.

    The President keeps on campaigning as if the last two years of campaigning he has done isn't enough. When you don't tell the truth or reconcile it, you keep on having to spin everything. Flip-flopping has definitely been his integrity quotient for all his career in politics and most likely while in Harvard law school.

    The reason the President didn't want budgets during his first term, then we would have a bench mark to look at and study. We have nothing and he still keeps on spending money he has not been allocated. That gives him a good excuse for sequestration and to cut the DoD to zip, nada, nothing and decimate our national defense.

    Woodrow Wilson Obama.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    There is no line in the budget that says: "EVERYWHERE"! Where???

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 7:22 p.m.



  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 7:01 p.m.

    I don't follow what is going on...Obama wants rates to go up for the wealthy. Ok, that what he announced (ad nauseam). The Republicans want cuts to spending. Ok, what is it they want? If they want cuts, they need to spell it out for all to see. They however know it is a big game to get the other side to say what it is they want so they can proceed to cut them to ribbons. Mitt tried to use the "cut spending" mantra during the campaign. Remember? Problem came when he wouldn't specify where the cuts would be. Now Boehner is trying the same routine. Everyone knows the cuts have to be made AND the revenue raised so let's get on with it. You want cuts??? Where?

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    Was Obama lying then, or is he lying now?

    Sorry, that was a trick question, because he is always lying.

    There will never be enough money from any source to satisfy his lust for spending (which is easily seen to be nothing more than buying votes from low information voters). If he bankrupts the country, he will be happy because that will hasten the civil unrest that he hopes will result in a socialist takeover. His old "Cloward Pivens" strategy.

    Unfortunately, voters don't want to hear, and politicians are afraid to tell the truth. We must cut spending in unprecedented ways. End baseline budgeting with its automatic increases. End "refundable tax credits." End increases to federal pay and benefits (including Social Security and Medicare). Cut federal workforce by 50%. End foreign aid. End subsidies for unemployment, college, research, etc.

    After our $16 trillion debt is paid off, and our $75 trillion unfunded liabilities are paid for, then we can look at restoring some of the cuts. This ignores the likelihood that inflation will suddenly make all borrowing and debt service too costly to do at all.

    Obama won't tell us any of that, nor will other politicians. We're doomed!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 5:46 p.m.

    It's pretty obvious he's tired of starting in the middle while Republicans start out far right and insist he's got to move more towards them. This time he's starting towards the left, staking a better starting point for liberal interests so that when compromise time comes (presumably Dec 28 or so) they're meeting somewhere in the middle rather than somewhere towards the right.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 5:41 p.m.

    It's time the republicans start to come up with some ideas, of their own, to help the president deal with this. These sideshows aren't helping.

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    @ Kent DeForrest

    That's great, but only works if we go back to the same spending levels that existed in the pre-Reagan years.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    Let's see. Democrats say Bush was a terrible president who gave us tax cuts. Now they want to keep the terrible presidents tax cuts. What? So if Clinton was a good Democrat president with high taxes, why not go back to the level that the Democrats taxed us at then? Course, if you think that little tax rate is bad, wait till you get that Obamacare bill at the end of 2013!

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 5:07 p.m.

    The problem is here and now and the GOP is not addressing it. Their constant "NO" to everything is what got us here and now they need to change.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 4:51 p.m.

    "Regardless of what OBama said in the past, he wasn't saying that during the campaign. Beloved Romney changed position muliple times on many issues during the campaign."

    So, it's OK to flip flop if you're the candidate that gets elected, or if you do it "before" the campaign? I'm with you now...

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    The most cogent comment, "Elections Matter". Regardless of what OBama said in the past, he wasn't saying that during the campaign. Beloved Romney changed position muliple times on many issues during the campaign.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    Whoa. It got real quiet in here. Crickets...

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    All this bickering over 3 or 4.6 percent is ridiculous. If we were serious about getting our financial house in order, we would return to pre-Reagan tax rates, when we didn't coddle the wealthy (but they still got richer).

  • David Centerville, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    "We're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering, but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue," Obama told members of the Business Roundtable.

    Why do they need to raise a certain amount of revenue? The Senate has failed to produce a budget in 4 years.

    What will Obama do with the extra revenue? Use it to balance the budget or will he introduce new spending.

    We know the answer to that. He has already called for another round of stimulus know the kind where loads of cash is sent to his political supporters in green energy (Solyndra-like businesses). This is called payback/stimulus spending.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Dec. 11, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    You mean (GASP) Obama is a flip flopper? Oh my goodness. Who would have ever thought?