Mike Sorensen: With the local season nearing an end, it's time to give out state college football awards

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  • Zona Zone Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 12, 2012 10:50 p.m.

    Gee, Mike, you must be pretty sore after writing this column ... stretching your arm -- and it was quite a stretch -- to pat the Utes on the back while using your good leg to kick the Cougars over and over.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 12, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    anti BCS:

    As for Smith...Whittingham wasn't surprised when Alex opted to enter the draft AFTER the conclusion of the 2004 season. However, PRIOR to that season, there really wasn't any buzz about Smith leaving to go pro. Furthermore, Utah HAD received a commitment from a 4-star, 4th-ranked QB (Josh Portis), but he opted instead to follow Meyer to Florida.

    Again, nobody knew Florida would poach Meyer from Utah prior to the 2004 season. Not Meyer, not Portis, not even Florida. You're just "Monday-morning-QBing" Utah's QB situation.

    Finally, it's laughable that a team would be humiliated by being outrecruited by USC. The Trojans typically outrecruit over 95% of FBS team every year. Embarrassing would be consistently outrecruited by some WACish and mid-majorey program that no relevant conference wanted in their league. Luckily, we needn't ever concern outselves with that degree of humiliation.

    Considering how Utah is the more desired destination for H.S. recruits considering our 2 programs, just how embarrassing is it to be annually trounced in overall classes? Would it be "SUPER" embarrassing, "somewhat" embarrassing, or "not embarrassing at all" seeing as how it's what's expected?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 12, 2012 4:02 p.m.

    anti BCS:

    "Why don't we ever see you compare Utah and USC recruiting?"

    There's a couple of reasons:

    (1) I already know that there's an enormous chasm in recruiting between USC and Utah. One could also include UCLA and Stanford on that list as well. In fact, EVERY Ute fans knows this. But what would be the point of telling an Indy-WACey fanbase that our recruiting classes won't rate as high as USC's?

    (2) The issue of the recruiting chasm between Utah and USC is between Utah and USC. And since USC fans don't frequent periodicals in Utah about our recruits, who would even read it?

    (3) USC isn't our ankle-biting little brother. Little brother doesn't get to trash talk big brother. That's a little lesson you cougar cubs are slowly starting to catch onto.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 12, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    naval vet

    Whittingham was no more responsible for winning the Fiesta Bowl than any other Utah assistant coach. It was Urban's team and trying to give credit to both coaches is simply an act of desperation by Utah fans.

    It's laughable that you try to give Whittingham credit for recruiting the 2004 team, but then distance Kyle from the responsibility of leaving the Utah QB cupboard bare in 2005. Alex had already graduated and was working on his Masters before he was drafted in 2004 so the argument that Whittingham was surprised by Alex's "sudden" departure after 2004 is ludicrous.

    It's even more laughable that U continue to beat your chest about the "amazing" gap between BYU and Utah recruiting, while completely ignoring the enormous chasm between Utah and USC recruiting.

    Why don't we ever see you compare Utah and USC recruiting?

    The obvious answer:

    Because it would be soooooo humiliating that it might completely destroy the psyche of Ute nation and the mistaken belief that the Utes will ever have a prayer of beating USC.

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    Dec. 12, 2012 2:31 p.m.


    Gotta love how Utah fans randomly assign wins and losses to future BYU schedules just to help themselves cope with how ugly things are getting for the Utes as a perennial PAC 10.2 bottom dweller.

    Just like last year, the ONLY meaningful win Utah had this season was beating a "former" rival that the Utes supposedly left in the dust two years ago, and even with that win, U still finished with a worse record and fewer accomplishments than BYU.

    BYU 10-3, Top 25
    Utah 8-5, unranked

    BYU 7-5, plus a bowl
    Utah 5-7, no bowl

    What will it be next season?

    Utah 3-9, challenging Colorado and Washington State for the PAC 10.2 basement

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 12, 2012 1:36 p.m.


    "If we are so bad, your team must be really awful!"

    Correct you ARE VegasUte. Their team IS really awful. Luckily, the typically play a lot of teams even more WAC-ish and mid-majorey than they: like Hawai'i, NM State, Idaho, Idaho St, Weber St, etc.

    And I can clearly see you've looked at the Indy-WACers recruiting class on Rivals. They're showing a 29-man recruiting class thus far; 69% of whom are currently listed at or below 2-stars. Wow! That's even more mid-majorey than LAST years class. Every year their recruiting classes just get worse and worse. This could be their 3rd year in a row they couldn't land a Top-50 recruiting class.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 12, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    Jealous U:

    Kyle Whittingham was co-Head Coach for the 2005 Fiesta Bowl winning Utah team. And those players on that team were recruited by McBride and Whittingham; not Meyer. Whittingham deserves to be credited with that win.

    As for Utah's subsequent mediocre season...there were a LOT of Seniors from that 2004 team whose eligibility expired, and there were also several key Juniors who left early for the NFL. Take Alex Smith for example. He COULD have returned for his Senior season, but opted instead to become the NFL's #1 draft pick. Sliding into his place was an 18-yr old true Sophomore with very little game experience. We just didn't have the players to return to the BCS in '05.

    As for '08, Whittingham got them there without Meyer on the sidelines.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 12, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    For all the kitties bragging up themselves and their schedule and slamming Utah's schedule: Utah beat byU .... again .... for the third straight year. If we are so bad, your team must be really awful!! Better luck next year - you will need a lot of luck because there sure isn't a lot of talent coming in your recruiting class!!

    Go Utes!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 12, 2012 12:22 p.m.

    @ Uteanymous: "BYU plays Notre Dame, Texas, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Boise State, Utah, Utah State, Middle Tenn St, Houston, and Hawaii next season."

    Loss, loss, loss, possible win, push, loss, loss, loss, win, win, win. Let the calls for Mendenhall's firing begin.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    navel vet

    "Please cut-&-paste any accomplishment due to Urban I erroneously attributed to Kyle."


    "And while Kyle has ONE fewer conference championship than Bronco,... he ALSO has "TWO" more BCS bowl trophies."

    It was Urban's team; the Utes wouldn't have even played in the Fiesta Bowl without Urban, so trying to give Kyle "credit" Utah's Fiesta Bowl win simply becasue Utah chose to "name" him as a co-head coach for ONE game is a complete farce.

    Utah nose-diving to 7-5 as soon as Urban left is proof enough that it was Urban's coaching that elevated the Utes to a 12-0 season in 2004. There's absolutely no way the Utes would have lost to Colorado State and New Mexico in 2005 if Urban had still been coaching the Utes.

  • Sambonethegreat Logan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    I love how he goes on the defensive before I even comment.

    Tell you what Stang: when the T-birds win more than six games in a season (because winning six games at the FBS level doesn't constitute a winning season) and they beat a decent FBS team (UNLV doesn't count because they have won only six games in the past three years), then I will tone down my bagging on the T-birds.

    Remember, I had no problem with them until you showed up. Think about that one.

  • Stang08 Cedar City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    Most overlooked team SUU. Yeah that sounds about right cause no one gives us the respect we deserve. Yes Sambone I know SUU's record sucked and we couldn't hold our own against big schools but Lamb is one of the best coaches and has done wonders with a team that previously was 0-11. This is a great team who no one looks at and will be incredible once they get used to the teams they have to play year after year in the BigSky.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 11, 2012 5:43 p.m.


    Please cut-&-paste any accomplishment due to Urban I erroneously attributed to Kyle.

    If Bronco is 3-5 vs. Kyle than that pretty much dismisses any argument that his W/L record isn't due to WEAK-SOS scheduling. Kyle > Bronco, and Ute Football > coug football. Case closed.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 11, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    "Under coach Whittingham Utah has had a couple of embarassing loses, however he has also seen a great deal of success. He has taken his team to two BCS bowl games and won both."

    Gotta laugh at our little friends on the hill desperately trying to give Whittingham credit for Urban's 2004 team. Do you honestly think Whittingham could have taken the head coaching reins in 2003 and led the Utes to a BCS bowl in 2004?

    Whittingham is a defensive coach. There's absolutely zero chance that without Urban, he would have come up with the offense that propelled the Utes to the Fiesta Bowl.

    In his two years at Utah, Urban had more AP Top 25 finishes than the Utes had accomplished during their entire history prior to Urban.

    A soon as Urban left, the Utes plummeted until their perfect storm season in 2008. Since then, the Utes have been in a continual downward spiral.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Desperate attempt there to pad Kyle's record with Urban's accomplishments, but the truth is:

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Losses to 10-loss Teams
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 2

    Losses to conference bottom dwellers (CSU, NM, Wyo, UNLV, Col)
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 6

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowl Games
    Bronco 8
    Kyle 7

    Record versus PAC 12 Opponents
    Bronco 9-7 (56%)
    Kyle 12-13 (48%)

    Overall record trumps head-to-head and one-hit wonder seasons.

    Bronco > Kyle. Case closed.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 3:15 p.m.


    I think it is also embarassing for a head coach to make statements that he is going to win a national championship, or make it to a BCS game and then not ever even sniff the conversation on either of those things.

    Under coach Whittingham Utah has had a couple of embarassing loses, however he has also seen a great deal of success. He has taken his team to two BCS bowl games and won both. He has seen his team finish with a number 2 ranking in the final poll. He also holds the advantage with the head to head match up against an under achieving team in Provo.

    I'm glad that finishing in the top 25 has been something for you to hold onto - it should be noted that rank was only in 1 out of 4 of the major national polls, but whatever gets you through.

    What good wins have the cougars had in the last handful of years? I can't think of many but a ten win season isn't that great when you look at the teams on that list and see Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State.

    Go Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 11, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "Whit's miserable failure against bad teams...is precisely why Kyle lags behind Bronco in overall record, in conference championships, and in Top 25 finishes."

    Actually, the reason Kyle has slightly fewer wins than Bronco is because Kyle's teams have played a significantly more difficult schedule than Bronco's. And while Kyle has ONE fewer conference championship than Bronco, he ALSO has one MORE undefeated season, and TWO more BCS bowl trophies.

    And he also has 2 more wins vs. Bronco. Head-to-head, Kyle > Bronco. Case closed.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 2:52 p.m.


    It's nice to see the Aggies becoming competitive again and both BYU and Utah should have Utah State on their schedule every year, but your point about fan base size also illustrates why it makes more sense for the games to played in the larger stadiums at BYU and Utah so that more of their much larger fan bases can attend the games.

    2-for-1 makes the most sense, with revenue from the third game shared between the respective schools.

    Good luck in the MWC. With the way things are going in the Big East, it wouldn't be surprising to see your old nemisis, Boise State, rejoining the MWC.

  • Agg13 Logan, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 2:38 p.m.

    @ Just the FAX My comment had nothing to do with BYU or Utah scheduling home for home with USU. It was about why the Aggies have a hard time filling their stadium. Your comments on fan base strengthen my point. Fans from all over the state are drawn to Utah and especially BYU games, but how many fans travel from around the state to attend Aggie games??? Not many. A vast majority of the fans attending Aggie games are drawn the population of Cache County

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 11, 2012 1:52 p.m.


    Your Cougars have a decent schedule next year; don't let any one tell you other wise.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2012 10:37 a.m.


    I challenge you to pull Whit's record versus 10-loss teams. Guaranteed it's one of the worst in the country, especially for any "power" conference member. Iin fact, Whit's miserable failure against bad teams like Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV, Wyoing, and Colorado is precisely why Kyle lags behind Bronco in overall record, in conference championships, and in Top 25 finishes.

    Hint: It's disappointing to lose to good teams; it's an embarassment to lose to bad teams.

    I'd much rather be disappointed in losing a very winnable game against #1-ranked Notre Dame in South Bend, than to be humiliated by losing to 10-loss Colorado at home.

    btw, IF Utah had beaten a good Utah State team this season, U wouldn't be playing in the couch potato bowl.


    Nice dodge, but your "easy" answer, didn't answer the question: "Since when does Utah's utter failure to beat a single PAC 12 opponent with a winning record prove ANYTHING about BYU?"

    Here's a clue: BYU is 4-4 versus Washington, including a win in 2010. Utah is 0-8 versus Washington, including losses in 2011 and 2012.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    @wish we were part of snack PAC..."Since when does Utah's utter failure to beat a single PAC 12 opponent with a winning record prove ANYTHING about BYU?"

    Easy ? to answer since "BYU" can't beat Utah. Funny you say failure to beat any PAC 12 opponent with a winning record. I challange you to pull bronco and cougies record against any winning team regardless of conference over the last few seasons. I'll give you a hint it's not good near the worst in the country. I would suggest watching what you say before hitting submit.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2012 8:17 a.m.


    Using county populations as the basis for fan base size is silly. BYU has a statewide fan base with thousands of fans in Salt Lake County, not to mention the thousands of BYU fans in bordering states, many of whom travel to Provo for home games.

    This is precisely why playing in Logan in a 25,000 seat arena every other year makes absolutely no sense. At the very least, you're excluding 40,000 fans who could attend the game. Purely from an economic and attendance standpoint, 2-for-1 makes the most sense. Utah State doesn't pay BYU anything when the Cougars play in Logan. BYU doesn't pay Utah State anything when the Aggies play in Provo. For the third game in each series, the extra revenue (over $1 million) from playing in Provo could be split.

    For Utah, the difference is much less, a 45,000 seat arena versus a 25,000 seat arena. At the very least the Utes should be playing the Aggies 2-for-1, if not home-and-home every year. It makes no sense at all for the Utes to be playing Northern Colorado or Montana instead of Utah State.

  • Agg13 Logan, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 11:15 p.m.

    17,000 people is about 15% of Cache County's population. That is a higher percent of attendance in relation to county population than Utah or BYU can achieve in their respective counties with a sold out stadiums. (Utah about 4% of SL county's population, BYU about 12% of Utah County's)To sell out Romney, it takes about 21% of Cache County's population attending. The average attendance of Utah State's home games was 23,949. Also the last game, which had an attendance of 19,350, took place during Thanksgiving break and the student section was less than half full with most of the students home for the holiday.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:52 p.m.

    Got to love the hypocrisy from fans of the team down south. In one breath they claim USU doesn't have a football "program" and then they turn around and list USU as a reason why their strength of schedule is so strong.

    Seriously what reality do you all live in? Most of you defend Riley Nelson when you have all taken shots at Jordan Wynn for doing the same thing. Whatever makes you feel better I guess. It is convenient that you all seem to forget that the Utes have beaten your team for three straight years. Only to hear statements from you if Riley would have played, if Hill would have played. It gets so old to hear the same old excuses.

    Utah State had the best season of all programs in the state hands down. They should be congratulated not discredited for how many people attended the games. All 3 of the major programs have seen their fair share of ups and downs with attendance it doesn't take away from their accomplishment.

    One thing all three teams could probably agree on is that we could all use a better kicking game.

    Go Utes!

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    Too bad the Front Runner doesn't go all the way to Logan. It's not an inexpensive trip to watch a game up there. Gas, tickets, and food add up quick. I'd go to every USU game if I could. I don't understand why the regular, every day Cache Valley resident doesn't go though. $20 isn't a bunch of money if you already live up there. And having graduated from USU, I KNOW there is nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon or evening in Logan. It took some time for Gary Anderson to beat the losing culture out of the program. It is going to take some time to build the local fan base. Everyone loves a winner and USU is in a far different place than it's ever been. I like what I see on the horizon.

  • John S. Harvey Sandy, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:11 p.m.

    In order for the U of U to have the same percentage of the population at a game that USU did with 17,000 the U of U would need about 150,000 people in the stands. BYU would need about 110,000. Cache Valley is doing pretty good when you consider the respective population bases.

  • UC UTE Lehi, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    @backpacn.I'm not whining, Read my post again. I said UTAH. "That is the reason USU needs to play BYU and Utah Home and Home." I'm disappointed in my Utes for not playing home and home, as well as BYU. It would help USU build their program by bringing more fans to their stadium.

    @AZCoug. Yes USU has the best coach and program in the state. As the season went on, USU got stronger while Utah and BYU didn't. (the SJSU/BYU game comes to mind)

  • Born in Provo Logan, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 8:25 p.m.

    I do appreciate Sorenson sticking up for Riley Nelson. Yeah, he made some throws that he would like to have back. But I sure enjoyed watching him play. He has more guts and heart than a lot of QBs out there. He risked his future health to play for his team. I am sick of hearing how he was selfish and should have sat out because he was hurt. IT IS JUST A GAME. I think fans get much more wound up about the results of a season than the players do. I am going to remember Nelson for the "Red Alert" versus Tulsa, him high-fiving the ref against TCU (more points against TCU than the last three years combined!), his great 2011 year, and the fact that he was willing to play on special teams instead of sitting the bench or transferring. If Justin Sorenson had made more field goals this year, Nelson would have gotten less blame for the losses. Love that kid! He is going to succeed in whatever he does. Yeah, I would have liked to have seen some different coaching decisions, but what happened happened. Remember what was good!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 10, 2012 7:10 p.m.

    Go Aggies! Raise the rafters, enjoy it for all it is worth!

    I personally think that BYU SHOULD schedule USU home and home. USU was a faithful friend to us the first few years of independence, and I think we should reward that loyalty. BYU fans will help sell out the stadium, and the ESPN contract takes some of the sting out of any other loss of revenue.

    So, regarding Utah, PLEASE, can we just not choke and not fold at home next year? Beat them and send them on their way. They bargained for what they have, let them enjoy recieving millions for bowl games they are not playing in and televised games they are not part of. But please, oh please, do not let them beat us on ESPN again.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2012 6:45 p.m.


    "Don't worry, the Utes are just taking a breather. Next run of Bowl Games starts next season."

    "That's right folks, next year Utah does not play CAL or WASHINGTON STATE, we do play OREGON and STANFORD."

    Trust a Ute to post two completely contradictory statements as proof that BYU wouldn't hold up in the PAC 12.

    Since when does Utah's utter failure to beat a single PAC 12 opponent with a winning record prove ANYTHING about BYU?

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    USU has a crazy good new program. Take a piece of graph paper and simply chart the number of wins per year for the 4 years Andersen has coached USU. See a trend? Now chart the attendance over the past 4 years. There has been a dramatic increase in season ticket sales.

    Now remember that Keeton has 2 more years to play for the Aggies and Coach Andersen has committed to stay in Cache Valley.

    This isn't just a crazy good team. USU has all of the assets in place to take on the MWC next season. It wasn't too long ago that the Utes couldn't fill Rice Eccles. Andersen & Co will continue to win and attendance will continue to improve.

  • DougUte Kaysville, 00
    Dec. 10, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    Don't worry, the Utes are just taking a breather. Next run of Bowl Games starts next season. Utah with a Sophomore QB who will have good experience under his belt. Better talent coming along than we have ever had at most positions. Defense will reload as usual. We will be back.

    As far as SOS... Well. Utah State (up and coming as you guys claim). @BYU, @OREGON, @STANFORD, OREGON STATE, WASHINGTON, UCLA, @USC, ARIZONA STATE, @ARIZONA, COLORADO.

    That's right folks, next year Utah does not play CAL or WASHINGTON STATE, we do play OREGON and STANFORD. BYU, you wouldn't hold up in the PAC 12. You guys are just jealous. Enjoy your independence.

  • #utesnation Centerville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 3:50 p.m.


    "The kids on the hill are going to have to find a new line of smack because SOS isn't going to cut it anymore."

    3 peat, 8 of 11

    Good enough for ya??

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 10, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    You can always tell when a Utah fan is getting desperate, because they resort to just making stuff up.

    U should just admit that the PAC 12 is too tough for U and it's time for U to go back to the MWC where you'd at least have a chance of qualifying for a bowl.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    "You could also include Virginia as a fairly good team"
    Virginia was one of the worst teams in the ACC! Even a quarterback recovering from knee surgery ought to be able to beat that squad. Mark that one down as a gimme.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 10, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    timid sparrow

    "MY vote for most over-hyped team in the state goes to the team that was predicted (by its own players and fans) to challenge Alabama for the national championship and go to a BCS bowl..."

    Nice try, but everyone knows that's an absolute fabrication.

    I dare you to cite the post of any true BYU fan who posted anything even remotely close to your hyperbole.

    On the other hand, I can cite media articles and dozens of posts from Utah fans claiming that Utah was national championship contender USC's main competition for the PAC 12 South.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 10, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    "Most over-hyped team in the state: the team that was predicted to challenge USC for the
    PAC 12 South, but wasn't even good enough to qualify for a bowl."

    Methinks you're not listening to hype from every direction. For example, there's quite a bit of hype coming from right under your nose.

    MY vote for most over-hyped team in the state goes to the team that was predicted (by its own players and fans) to challenge Alabama for the national championship and go to a BCS bowl, but needed a win against Idaho just to get bowl eligible.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 2:17 p.m.


    Since Sorensen is such a Utah homer that he's practically incapable of writing anything truly negative about his Utes, it's only fairl to add a little balance to the "post season" discussion by reminding Mike and all of the other Ute infatuated journalists of just how ridiculous their pre-season predictions for the Utes were.

    Until the Utes beat their first decent PAC 12 foe (a PAC team with a winning record), it's silly to continue claiming that the Utes are a conference contender.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    Maybe if USU didn't try and gouge people with their WAY overpriced tickets more people would actually show up.
    The cost of gas to get to Logan is already bad enough, you'd think the AD would understand it's better to sell all his seats for $5-10 than to sell a few for $20-50.

  • canadiancougar624 Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 1:42 p.m.

    Weak schedule? Next season we have scheduled Texas, Boise State, USU (On the Rise), GT, Wisconsin, and UND.

    You could also include Virginia as a fairly good team, the only real guaranteed wins so far are Middle Tenn and Hawaii and I'm sure that we could beat Utah next year at LES. I'd take that schedule rather than only getting wins against the Pac-12 bottom dwellers like Cal and Colorado. You guys can have fun with a 4-5 win season in the Pac 11 1/2 next year!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2012 1:37 p.m.


    Sorry to burst your delusional crimson bubble, but while Utah is playing Colorado, BYU will be playing the possible defending national champion, Notre Dame.

    The kids on the hill are going to have to find a new line of smack because SOS isn't going to cut it anymore.

    BYU plays Notre Dame, Texas, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Boise State, Utah, Utah State, Middle Tenn St, Houston, and Hawaii next season.

    No team on BYU's 2013 schedule is even close to as bas as Colorado (1-11) or Weber State (2-9), in fact, it could be argued that the worst team on BYU's schedule, Hawaii, is better than the third worst team on Utah's schedule, Washington State. WSU only beat UNLV by 8, 35-27; Hawaii destroyed UNLV by 38, 48-10.

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Dec. 10, 2012 1:26 p.m.

    I wouldn't brag too much about playing USC! Or did you not see their play this year? Couldn't you feel the wind pulling in the direction of LA?

    I think there should have been some recognition for KVN and Ziggy.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    Dec. 10, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    MLH - Your two best shots at a conference championship game are gone. Even if u had made it to the championship game last year (all you had to do was beat the buffs), the Rose Bowl was an impossible dream. We "shudder" at how many games u lose on you way to conference bottom dweller.

    Dec. 10, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    Most over-hyped team in the state: the team that was predicted to challenge USC for the
    PAC 12 South, but wasn't even good enough to qualify for a bowl.

    Way to get your shot in, typical byu fan. Can't wait for next year, 4 in a row and fans like you will just keep making the same old comments. When the Utes are playing USC, you guys are playing Hawaii just makes me shutter to think how strong a schedule you play.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    Best One Game Career (James Lark) would have never happened if not for Worst Decision II (Taysom Hill injury). Taysom Hill would have started against New Mexico State. The woulda-coulda-shoulda debate would be "how many games could BYU have won if they used the freshman QB all year?" James Lark would have gotten pleasant applause at Senior Day, and that's it.

  • EHSvoice Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    Great article Mike! I too believed Riley Nelson should have been replaced sooner, and certainly did not like the two point attempt at BSU, but the attacks on these guys over a goofy game were really sad.

    Also, kudos to USU for a great season! Hey Cache Valley, get some bodies in that stadium next year and support your Aggies! Coach Anderson is building something good up there, don't miss it.

  • AZCoug Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 10, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    I have lived in Cache Valley and have lots of family there, but based on actual game results this season in the state of Utah, no major team is way ahead of anybody. Silly statement made by "UC Ute". I would love to see the Aggies continue to build a successful program in Logan. All three major teams in the state need to improve next season!

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    UC UTE

    Why would BYU even consider taking a $1 million+ hit in revenue every other year to play in a 25,000 seat staduim, when BYU can stay at home and play in a 65,000 seat stadium?

    Call us when the Utes start scheduling the Aggies home-and-home again, otherwise, Utah fan whining is nothing but their usual hypocrisy.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:35 a.m.


    Agreed. That's because USU doesn't have a "program" they have a once-in-a-life-time good team. How long has it been since they won a title outright....1936? And with this team they can't fill their stadium unless they happen to play BYU or Utah? Wow, football certainly isn't king in Cache County. What is?

    With respect to giving out awards, how about the fans vote on "Goofiest College Football Story This Season" and "Best Nothing Article to Use Ink and Column Inches" or "Least Amount of Information and Greatest Amount of Hype" story? Of course there are too many to be able to consider, given it has been a down season for the majority of the teams, along with the skill (?) displayed by the sports writers. My personal vote would be the story about Bronco's possible career choices, which was a waste of ink and mean-spirited.

    Riley's bad comments from the fans: When you lace 'em up you better be prepared for the results, not just the glory one would like to have. As Truman said, "If you can't stand the heat...." I truly wish he had played better.

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Riley Nelson put himself before the Team ,

    When your hurt you have to take your self out of the Game , and give your team the best chance to Win. Clint Eastwood put it best

    "Man's got to know his limitations " being selfish is never a virture.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Indy Coug

    Best team in the state to play a 3rd string safety (or half back) at QB for most of the year and still qualify for a bowl: BYU.

    I doubt you'll get many arguments from BYU fans; it just gives more credence to the belief by the majority of BYU fans that the Cougars wasted one of BYU's best defenses ever, because of a weak offense, due to poor coaching decisions - relying on a QB who couldn't pass and an offensive line that could block.


    Most over-hyped team in the state: the team that was predicted to challenge USC for the PAC 12 South, but wasn't even good enough to qualify for a bowl.

  • UC UTE Lehi, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    @ LonestarRunner
    That is the reason USU needs to play BYU and Utah Home and Home. USU fan that do attend the games are awesome and very vocal. USU has the best Coach and team by far in UTAH.
    GO AGGIES!!!! Good Luck in your bowl game!!!!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 9:26 a.m.


    How the Aggies could only muster 17,001, 17,222 and 19,350 fans, respectively, for the final three home games of their best season in history."

    No disrepect meant, but this is the main reason BYU will continue to insist on 2-for-1's with Utah State. It makes no sense to play every other BYU-USU game in a 25,000 seat stadium that the Aggies can't even fill for their best team ever.

  • Indy Coug West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    Seriously...don't debate me on this! I have STATS to back up anything I say!!!

  • Indy Coug West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    Best team in the state to play a 3rd string safety at QB for most of the year: BYU.

    I have the stats to back this up by the way!

  • bonnielarsen WELLSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    I agree- great article. I especially concur with Mike's opinion regarding fans' and media's treatment of Riley Nelson. I would add Bronco Mendenhall, Brandon Doman, and any other coach or player from any university to that list.

    We are avid college football fans. We have felt disappointed at seeing Utah and BYU lose games this year. And we have celebrated Utah State's phenomenal season.

    But sometimes as fans, we think sports is the end-all. Sometimes we treat athletes, coaches and others as though they are pawns on a chess board- inanimate objects who are simply there for our entertainment, analysis or derision. We forget that these are people- people with feelings and families; people who are trying to do the best job they can- whether we agree with their methods or decisions or not.

    As fans and media, maybe we all need to give it a little more thought and offer comments, both on-air and on comment boards, that are thoughtful, diplomatic and constructive, whether our opinions concur or differ with what is going on on the field.

  • Forrest Natchitoches, LA
    Dec. 10, 2012 5:00 a.m.

    Great article. Thanks, Mike!