BYU, Utah Utes basketball: Late rally lifts the Cougars past Utah, 61-58

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  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    Rockwell & sammyg ...

    Two words for you both ... reading comprehension.

    I realize you guys like to be angry and make things look extra blue in your blue, blue worlds. But that said, let's remember as you both throw out your stats for the last 7 years that my exact comment included this, "Now if you want to talk about the last 10 years then it's (the better team) absolutely BYU and I'd be silly to say otherwise."

    I also went on to say, "Lastly, for any that have confused my comments ... props to BYU, they won the game fair and square. Utah is simply showing that they're on an upswing, that's all."

    So all you guys (gals?) are doing, is making yourselves appear to be irrational, angry and quite frankly - not the greatest readers. But by all means, continue forth.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    Dec. 11, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    I was impressed on the improvement Utah has shown from last year to this year. I think they might have a coach that can turn it around for them.

    Dec. 11, 2012 12:52 a.m.

    Qwest, don't try to reason with them. These are the same "insiders" that know for a fact that BYU had been planning football independence for years, and as soon as scheduling comes up, insist that they were forced to throw a schedule together in a few months. And they see no contradiction there.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 11:11 p.m.

    There are a lot of sensitive coug fans on this article.

    I don't think anyone is saying that Utah basketball is "back". I think the Utes have made some good strides towards improvement but they still haven't played a good team. Yes that includes your mighty cougars. They are a mid-level WCC team at best this year. I would expect your run of NCAA tournament appearances to come to an end this year. Your conference isn't as strong this year with the lone standout being Gonzaga.

    As far as the success of your program, the majority of the years the cougs made the tournament, ended in getting bounced out of he first round. Even the mighty Jimmer, only has 3 tournament wins to his name so please save us the stats.

    I have no problem saying that byu has owned the Utes in basketball over the last handful of years. It hasn't even been close until this years game when the Utes finally made it close.

    If the Utes haven't improved this year, then what does that say about your own team? Spinning excuses is truly an art down south.

    Go Utes!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 6:59 p.m.

    Motorbike (aka Chris B. ?)

    "Here's the facts ... Utah is the 12th winningest (if that's a word) program ever and they've had FAR more success in NCAA tournaments than BYU which is the ultimate judge of how good a program is."

    Hmmm... so I guess head to head applies only to football only in Uteville and Top 25 appearances as the "ultimate judge of how good a program is" does not.

    I get it.

    BYU owns Utah... 7 in a row and last 11 of 12... and whatever the overall is to boot.

    That was easy... LOL

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2012 6:21 p.m.


    "It seems you Y "fans" have changed your tune since football season. Notice that no U fans are trying to spin this result into "we really are better, we just scored less points."

    BYU fans haven't changed anything; not only did BYU win the head-to-head, unlike the Utes in football, BYU is also winning the overall.

    Since 2005, Dave Rose is 12-3 versus Utah, 11 of the last 12, 7 in a row.

    BYU 20-9, 25-9, 27-8, 25-8, 30-6, 32-5, 29-9, 6-3 -- 191-57 (77%); 6 NCAA tournaments
    Utah 14-15, 11-19, 18-15, 25-10, 14-17, 13-18, 6-3 -- 107-122 (47%); 1 NCAA tournament

    2012: Sagarin/RPI/Pomeroy
    #76/#71/#79 BYU 6-3
    #122/#99#195 Utah 5-3

    Sagarin and RPI don't even count Utah's win against D-III Willamette, nor will they count Utah's game against D-II College of Idaho.

    Regardless of how you spin it, the better team won on Saturday night.

    It hilarious how desperate Utah fans are to proclaim Utah "back" after one close LOSS to BYU.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    "In the end, the better team won.
    Live with it!"


    It seems you y "fans" have changed your tune since football season. Notice that no U fans are trying to spin this result into "we really are better, we just scored less points."

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 10, 2012 3:29 p.m.


    Utah is a has been that was embarrassed in its ONLY NCAA tournament game since 2005.

    Since 2005,

    BYU is 191-55, with 6 straight NCAA tournaments and counting
    Utah is 106-122, with only one NCAA tournament and little chance for another this season

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 2:23 p.m.


    The "soft" Cougs beat the "gangsta" Utes.

    In the end, the better team won.

    Live with it!

    Dec. 10, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    moderateinmagna - YOU mad bro?

    Spokane Ute - LOL

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    I was at the game and the cougs looked soft. The Utes let this one get away.

    Even in the Majerus era, these two teams would split games almost every year. The difference is, by tournament time, the Utes were light years ahead of the cougs. Too bad the cougs aren't coming to the HC this year to get the same treatment.

    Coach K is the right coach, this team has legitimate talent and they are getting better.

    Go Utes!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    @Down under

    I'm still waiting on the rest of your comment ... you were about to look at overall records between both programs ... you said something about checking facts before spewing forth ... well, go on then, let us know what those "facts" are.

    Here's the facts ... Utah is the 12th winningest (if that's a word) program ever and they've had FAR more success in NCAA tournaments than BYU which is the ultimate judge of how good a program is.

    Now if you want to talk about the last 10 years then it's absolutely BYU and I'd be silly to say otherwise ... but then that's not what I said.

    Lastly, for any that have confused my comments ... props to BYU, they won the game fair and square. Utah is simply showing that they're on an upswing, that's all.

  • Mesa Coug Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 10, 2012 10:19 a.m.


    I think you are confused. If someone called Utah the younger brother your argument wins. Just because Utah is older does not make it bigger. I have a younger brother that has a good 6 inches and 50 pounds on me. I may be the older brother but I am not the bigger brother. See the difference.

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Dec. 10, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    Utah is the best basketball team in the state? Are you related to Chris B?
    Let's look atthe over all record and then look at the last 12 games. Please check the facts before you do your spewing. I give th Utes props for coming up with a great, but dirty, gansta style game plan but in the end a good team will make the adjustment just like BYU did and come out on top. Good luck in the 10.2. it will be a long season.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 10, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    Good game, nice to see Utah competing again. Nice to see Phoenix concerned about Utah again. Thanks for your continued support. Congrats to the Cougars on a good win.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Dec. 10, 2012 8:16 a.m.


    Thank you for clarifying this silly "big brother, little brother" argument. I think your explanation of the history of these two programs should now settle it once and for all. The Utes are the older big brother and the Cougs are the younger little brother. I'm a huge Cougar fan and I have no problem with that. Besides, it's not demeaning to be a little brother, especially if you get spunky and exceeds the achievements of your big brother.


    So does this mean BYU stinks, or that Utah is back?

    The answer is Yes and No.

    Yes, Utah is back, with an attitude I might say, (which is great for the rivalry) and No, BYU doesn't stink. They just smelled...soooo good after being bloodied on the nose all night long by their mean Big brother! I love the rivalry!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 10, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    Gotta laugh at the kids on the hill whining about not getting calls down the stretch, and then whining about BYU fans simply pointing out that the officials missed calls on both teams.

    Bottom line, good teams find ways to win, even when they're not playing particularly well.

    BYU tightened the D down the stretch and the Utes folded like a cheap deck of cards.


    As far as preseason schedule goes, one thing our friends on the hill are conveniently overlooking is Wilamette (D-III) and College of Idaho (D-II) are so awful, that they won't even count against Utah's SOS or RPI. That's the good news. The bad news, is they won't count in Utah's win column either, so the Utes are essentially throwing away two potential opportunities for wins, to play two exhibition games, which pretty much ensures that the Utes will struggle to finish above .500 in games that count.

  • rogerdpack Orem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 5:22 a.m.

    So does this mean BYU stinks, or that Utah is back?

    Dec. 10, 2012 1:06 a.m.

    The Utes should be proud of how they played slowing BYU down (BYU is ranked 9th in tempo) and it seems more than a fluke as they also beat Boise State who is ranked 71 by Pomeroy's Strength of Schedule (SOS) stats even after losing to Utah. But also kudos to BYU for winning a slow tempo game, should help going forward!

    According to Pomeroy's SOS stats BYU is currently ranked 78 and Utah is ranked 194. I'm hoping BYU will get it together enough to move up into March Madness. But I'm pretty confident that Utah will move up higher than 194. The only thing against the Utes is their SOS which is currently only 301st (BYU's SOS is 193, still kind of low). Of course these stats change every week, so we'll have to see how it all plays out.

    Good teams make their own luck! I think this year BYU is on the edge of being good and I'm hoping they will be getting better. The Utes clearly are on an upswing this year.

    You can find these stats by searching for "2013 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings".

  • DP742 American Fork, UT
    Dec. 10, 2012 12:15 a.m.

    The Cougars didn't involve Davies enough in the first half. I like when he gets the ball about 10-15 feet out and goes iso on the post defender. None of them are quick enough to stay with him

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 9:26 p.m.


    You wrote "motorbike, u mad bro?"

    Answer, not at all, mind me asking what in any of my comments is remotely "mad" sounding?
    Sounds to me like someone just needed some attention. Well there you go, you got it bud. Stay classy.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 7:42 p.m.

    "The message has been sent though, the best basketball school (Utah) in the state is on it's way back!"

    Chris B must be mentoring some proteges! LOL

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Dec. 9, 2012 7:28 p.m.

    Meanwhile, Carlino, Haws, Cusick, Zylstra and Winder are all helping build a new wing to the law bldg with all the bricks from last night. What an effort.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 9, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    Hey ute fans. SCOREBOARD!!! Again and again!

  • ehekeal13 WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 5:56 p.m.


    u mad bro?

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 4:51 p.m.

    This is for all you posters on here who keep referring to utah as little brother ,U of u was founded by Brigham Young as a university before utah even became a state it was known as the UNIVERSITY OF DESERET, BYU was founded much later as a boys prep school known as BRIGHAM YOUNG ACADEMY it did not become a full fledged university until almost 90 years later therefore the Uof U is the older of the 2 schools therefore they are big brother you people need to study up on your Utah history,and i am a big BYU fan but i,m just getting tired of all you people not telling the truth get over your big brother complex and read the facts before you put your foot in your mouths.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    @Riddles in the Dark

    Do you have any idea how funny your comment is? You said, "motorbike, want some cheese to go with that whine?" Then your very next sentence is, "The Utes got away with mugging Haws during the entire game..."

    Whose whining, me or you?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 9, 2012 4:35 p.m.


    The Utes are a much improved team, but they need some work. They live and die by the three ball.


    That's why we dominated the paint 18-6 in the first half?

    According to ESPN stats, BYU has shot 170 threes made 53. Utah 164 and made 59. Utah is 17th (48.6) in FG percentage and BYU is 174 (43.4).

    I agree though we do need more work. We are young and learning how to win again.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    No doubt the Utes are back. That center Bacynski was a handfull and they have a lot of talent. BYU is not exactly their best team, and maybe the Utes are the better team.

    Dec. 9, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    Riddles, HILARIOUS that you would say "You want some cheese to go with that whine?" AND THEN follow it with the most childish whining on here. Here's a pointer: boxing out on a rebound is not a "takedown." Haws going to the floor was just evidence of his bad body positioning on those plays. He later corrected it, and earned himself some offensive rebounds and trips to the free throw line. "If all of the grabbing and pushing of Haws by Utah players had been called, Haws would have shot about 30 foul shots." If all of the pushing off of defenders that Haws had on shot attempts was called, he would have fouled out before he had a chance to make it to the free throw line. It was a physical game, and was called evenly. I suggest you watch the game again, and learn the difference between "mugging" and ball-denial and post positioning regarding Davies. I actually really like Davies' finesse game a lot, but he cannot play physical or he throws a fit, like last night. There's your cheese.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    Good hustle, defensive adjustment and comeback. Keep it rolling. The Utes were good, you were better. Home court doesn't mean much. Jimmer's team trounced the Utes in SLC and won by much less in Provo. It's the W and L that counts.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 9, 2012 3:34 p.m.


    Want some cheese to go with that whine?

    The Utes got away with mugging Haws during the entire game, including two take downs in the first two minutes of the game that went uncalled. If all of the grabbing and pushing of Haws by Utah players had been called, Haws would have shot about 30 foul shots. Now, should we talk about Utah's mugging of Davies.

    Bottom line the Utes lived on hot shooting while BYU was ice cold the first half. BYU got hot at the end of game, while Utah went ice cold, thanks in large part to BYU switching a zone defense which confused Utah's offense.



    If you're an old timer who's seen decades of this rivalry, then how is it you failed to recognize the marked increase in talent and execution of this Utah team versus the recent train wreck the Utes have put on the floor?

    You obviously haven't paid ANY attention to BYU basketball recently, because are also rebuilding after losing several key players from last season to graduation and injuries.

    Dec. 9, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    3grandslams, your conference bitterness is showing. College basketball officiating isn't partitioned into conferences as football is, it's more regionally situated with officials in this area covering MWC, PAC-12, WCC, and WAC games, among others. I've seen these officials dozens of times over the years, although I don't believe I had seen them work the same game together before, and it showed with a lack of consistency in calls, with one calling a certain type of contact, and others letting it go. Hemlock's criticism of "Gracious winners and UofU sports are not exactly synonymous." looks a little ironic with BYU fans' incessant complaining about officiating after a BYU win.

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    Any time BYU beats Utah I am happy. Good luck to the Cougars the rest of season.
    Eastcoastcoug: Danbury? Really...

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 9, 2012 12:46 p.m.


    Actually I'm an old timer who's seen decades of this rivalry. BYU should not have to come from behind against this Ute squad. Looks like another season of 18-20 wins but no real punch and no post season. It's time our basketball program started living up to its billing with Coach Rose.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Dec. 9, 2012 12:26 p.m.

    Way to play tough Cougs! Utah threw everything at you (and got a way with it, must have been a PAC 12 crew). Now Utah will go on this mysterious losing streak, why? It's the Cougar Curse. Everyone gets up to play the Cougs, then falls flat the next game emotionally drained.

  • THE MTN MAN Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    I don't know if this is the "statement game" that everybody thinks it is. I think BYU shot very poorly and played without any intensity in the first half. And Utah took advantage of that. Sure, the Utes look better than the previous 2-3 years, but they've got a long ways to go to be a respectable program again. Right now, BYU's biggest rival in basketball is Utah State.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    Some big talk from fans of the team that lead only once at 7-6 until the last few minutes when the Utes went cold and Haws went to the line on a phantom call. The Utes lead virtually the entire game and were up by at least 12 at a few points in the game.
    Yes the Utes blew it and it is what it is, a deserved cougar win. But lets be honest, rather than cougar fans boasting too much today, they ought to be giving thanks that this years game was played in the Marriott Center.
    The message has been sent though, the best basketball school in the state is on it's way back!

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    On one hand BYU is DOWN this year; very inconsistent. (Yes, they are down two bigs and without Anson)

    On the other hand, Utah's coach should be commended for putting a team together after the disaster that was Utah Basketball. Look to be on their way back up.

    BYU escaped a game it did not deserve to win (maybe) and one it should not have won (probably).

    But, it was fun to be there. (And what's with no sellout? Bad teams or Finals?)

  • CG Orem, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 10:47 a.m.


    Did you know that BYU has beaten Utah 11 out the last 12 times the two teams have met and that BYU has been to 6 straight NCAA tournaments, with wins, including a Sweet Sixteen appearance, in the last three tournaments?

    Meanwhile, the Utes were embarrassed in their ONLY NCAA tournament appearance in the last 8 seasons.

    BYU has won the last 7 meetings and now leads the overall series 129-125.

    As much as it may hurt for Utah fans to admit, BYU has clearly become the dominant team. It is what it is little brother.

  • Cougar10 West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 10:30 a.m.


    Utah has owned BYU for years? This isn't 1994 anymore. Your Pac12 basketball team has struggled with BYU for the last decade. Last time I checked, BYU has dominated Utah in basketball as of late and leads the overall series.

    The Utes are a much improved team, but they need some work. They live and die by the three ball. Loveridge will be a baller in the future and will be tough to handle as he matures and develops his game.

    As for BYU, they also need some work. 31% is awful and they won't win many games with that type of shooting. I am sure they are aware of that. They are in desperate need of a pure shooter that can stroke it.

    Glad they got the win.

    Go Cougs!

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    I hope your criticism of BYU's celebration cuts both directions or does it only apply when BYU wins? Gracious winners and UofU sports are not exactly synonymous.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 9:44 a.m.


    Did you know BYU is the school with the most NCAA tournament appearances WITHOUT ever going to the final four? In fairness, you ought to drop the 'little brother' talk. Utah is down right now (although it looks like they are going to be much better this year.) But Utah has owned BYU for years and they've done something BYU has yet to do int he NCAA tourney: win. And the fact that BYU was able to hold on for dear life against a rebuilding Utah team ought to be cause for concern, not 'in your face' celebration.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 9:42 a.m.


    You must be a newbie to basketball and to this rivalry. The Utes finally have a team again and close games and even occasional upsets by the heavy underdog are not at all unusual in this rivalry.

    A win is a win.

    Congrats Cougars on rallying late to beat the Utes for the 11th time in the last 12 games!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Dec. 9, 2012 6:34 a.m.

    Pretty pathetic, boys, to barely eke out a win at home against such a poor Utah squad. I know there will be many who are happy we won and continue the streak, but this was nothing to be proud of.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 9, 2012 6:21 a.m.

    Congrats to the Coug's. I'm wearing my Blue tie to church today.

  • Runner Chandler, AZ
    Dec. 9, 2012 12:41 a.m.

    Hey Utah Basketball, good to see you again. Where have you been, little brother?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 9, 2012 12:17 a.m.

    Congratulations Cougars on a great comeback!