'Cliff' talks: White House waiting on GOP move

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    lost in DC,

    One of the problems with trying to have an intelligent discussion of the issues on this message board is that those like you on the far right don't read other peoples posts. I didn't call republicans stupid, evil or wrong on every count, nor did I call the democrats benevolent,omniscient, kind, wise or God-like.

    Could we be honest and admit that the President proposed over 600 billion in cuts (personally I would like to see more). Could we also be honest and admit that the republicans have not proposed any concrete tax increases and are using dynamic scoring of their unnamed tax increases to get to their $800 million so they don't represent real tax cuts.

    In terms of which party is divisive, could you explain how the proposing tax increases that don't impact everyone exactly equally is divisive, but the Bush tax cuts and the Reagan tax cuts which disproportionately favored the wealthy were not divisive and did not represent class warfare?

    I am registered republican, who would like to see my party pull away from Grover Nordquist, the Koch brothers and the tea party, and get back to middle class values.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    your comments sounded like exactly what one would expect from MSNBC - the repubs are evil, wrong on every count, stupid, unwilling to bend, etc ad nasuem, while the dems are benevolent, omniscient, kind, wise, God-like, unable to err etc ad naseum.

    BO has to propose some actual cuts he is willing to accept - which he refuses to do. he has called for INCREASED spending of at least $100 million. How can any reasonable person (which excludes those who watch MSNBC) say BO is serious in his negotiations when he is calling for INCREASES in spending rather than cuts all others agree need to be part of the solution.

    Actually, I look forward to MORE repub obstructionsim. The more they can prevent BO from driving us off a cliff or into a trainwreck, the better.

    Repub divisiveness? Which candidate made class-warfare a central theme of his campaign and even BRAGGED about it? Hint - he was the incumbent POTUS and the dem nominee.

    It's time for America to quit listening to the dem propaganda machine.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    lost in DC,

    Sorry don't watch MSNBC. Maybe you are unaware of how negotiations work, one person puts a proposal on the table the other side then counters with a proposal and then they work toward something both sides can agree to.

    The republican version of negotiations is to throw out "ideas" ex. "we will close some loopholes" when pressed for which ones and how much they don't respond. Then when the other side puts out a proposal with real numbers that you don't like, you laugh and say the other side isn't serious, and they still don't put a proposal on the table. The republicans think losing means that the winner should come to them with proposals that they will agree to.

    The republicans can blame whoever they want, but the reality is a growing number of Americans inside and outside of Utah are tired of the republicans obstructionism and divisiveness. Look at the polls more and more Americans are blaming republicans for us being on the financial cliff. Even Bill Crystal (Fox News) thinks they are stupid. It is time for republicans to quit listening to talk radio and start listening to America.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    Washington thinks we are stupid.
    Sequestration was set in motion in November of last year. And the politicians either thought the problems would go away or that someone else would have to deal with it.
    Well, it is time to pay the piper House, Senate and Obama.
    It's no surprise that the status quo in Washington is acting just like they did before the election.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Furry, Fred
    Too much MSNBC for you! The repubs HAVE put revenue increases on the table and shown a willingness to compromise. Why is BO holding tax cuts for the middle and lower income earners hostage and risking an economic collapse as a result of the fiscal cliff purely for political points?

  • SME Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 3, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    Republicans have to stop using "political math" and say how much they are willing to raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans and then specify the spending cuts they want, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said in an interview that aired Sunday.

    Why is there no paragraph reading "Democrats have to stop using "political math" and say how much they are spending they are willing to cut, and then specify the taxes they want to raise."?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 2, 2012 10:33 p.m.

    Could Obama be correct? Borrow, print, and tax our way to prosperity?

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2012 10:24 p.m.


    The republicans won't put a specific plan on the table, and then they "laughed" at the Presidents plan and still had no alternative. How can you "work" with people who have no plan, no willingness to compromise. The President offered more tax increases than the republicans wanted and less in the way of entitlement reform. Are we surprised by that? I am not. So if the republicans were serious wouldn't the provide a plan that had less in new taxes and more in entitlement reform, and then sit down with the President and democrats and settle in the middle.

    The republicans seem to be very confused, they lost the Presidency, they lost seats in the House and the Senate and yet they seem to think the American people gave them a mandate. The President is going around the country selling his plan, and the republicans are doing what? Telling Fox News that they are right. Even some of the Fox guys are buying it any more.

    The republicans seem incapable of learning. They lost, America wants more than protection for the top 2% of wage earners in the country and bowing to the radicals in the tea party.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    Unless and until the Repubicans put forward a sane and reasonable plan which includes both tax and revenue increase and spending decrease (which to date they have refused to do), the President has nothing to work with. It's time for the Republicans to step up to the plate.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Dec. 2, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    Why is the President not in Washington working with both sides to get something done? Again, he is out on the campaign trail. We did not vote for a President to make speeches. We want someone who will get to work for America. If Pres. Obama cannot or does not know how to do this, step down and let the next man/woman give it a try. We cannot do any worse.