Mark, move to Washington state. You'll have all the freedom you can
Hannity has all the answers every night!
The nation has to wonder what Mitt Romney is thinking..A good number of
America's voters knew years ago that Mitt had no chance of winning the
Presidency. Millions knew he would lose the election and be living in the La
Jolla place with the famous elevator, but...Strong support of
America's middle class? Support for the American automobile industry? Can
anyone believe any of what he said during his campaign? Expecting credibility
from this man in the future?Would anyone want this fellow as the voice of
your Republican Party after his post election behavior?Romney's
latest surprise, in full view of America and the world, is his new toy.....a
very, very expensive Audi automobile, made in the USA? Made in
Slovakia....that's in Europe.
FT, you may be right that if Republicans did actually care about the economy,
and left morals to the churches, they could have won. But we will never know,
will we? The thing is they have not shown that they care about the economy at
all. Filo, the Republicans are the stable ones? Either you are very
young and have no understanding of history, or you are suffering from self
induced amnesia. It's almost surreal that you would point to Democrats and
say they ran up the bill, and ran the car into the ditch. Do you
really not realize who controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency
right up to a few months before the collapse? Before the car ran into the ditch?
And who was President when it did? What party took a surplus and turned it into
record setting debt? While controlling Congress and the Presidency? Do you
really not know? It was the Republicans. Were you not paying
attention last decade? It really was not that long ago. Do we, in this country,
really have that short of an attention span? It was just last decade. And you
call them stable?
When all you have is lemons, you try and make lemonade. The GOP tried to serve
us a beverage that most Americans were not drinking. Had they stayed
conservative on fiscal issues and left morality to the churches they would have
won. Romney just did not have the moral strength and conviction for the job.
That's the same reason why he lost Masschuetts by over 15 points.
We all know that Dems are the party that wanna party with Daddy's credit
card, wreck the family car and cry for a bail-out from the bondsman. Repubs are
the uncool but stable sibling who foots the bill and enables spoiled sib to
continue the slow descent into debt/credit hell. Ah, I love Greece, Greek food,
Greek mythology, Greek architecture...In fact, of the 10 countries
I've toured, I'll take Santorini every time, despite the exquisite
beauty of the others... And if we can get the "deal" we did last summer
on our Venice/ Greek Isles cruise due to the EU's slipping/crashing
economy- I'll have java with God every sunrise from atop Thera
eternally.Leadership, Smeadership. Pass the ouzo and the baklava.
We all know why Dems offer the family car and who they expect at the bank.
A registered Independent, I begrudgingly marked the Romney box. Nice man, great
credentials and potential, but not a barn-stormer..Ryan was young,
smart, energetic, and works out to Zep... Not enough for minorities or the
hopeless to signal hope on, though. A Marco Rubio would have ignited more
passion and "identiying with", but Mitt was never gonna compromise
certain proclivities...Each time "my guy" fell off the
radar, that sinking "It's gonna be Mitt" feeling loomed larger.
Bye-bye Jon, then Cowboy Rick bombed, Herman..?!!! Whaaa? Ron Paul
couldn't stomach Israel and went internat'l-nutty on us...With all the niceness and personal integrity of the Romneys however... RNC
night showed that it was, indeed, a white man's party with no intention of
relating to this nation's younger, growing demographic. We needed a firey
Cain, an eloquent "JZ" Watts, a fully-caffeinated Rubio- something
other than the prompter-reading hash that was presented...As far as
"leadership"? The Dems are clear on their plan: Hand-outs somebody
else pays for, no spending curtailment, bash-as-you-go. Time to over-haul it
To "SLMG" you are wrong. The GOP needs to distance themselves from the
DNC. Whenever they run a moderate canidate, like McCain, they get killed. They
need to become a true alternative to the DNC, not just a "lite" version
of the Democrats.Romney was not perfect, but he was a step in the
right direction. It may take a collapse of the world economy for people to
realize that you can't keep voting for other people to take care of you,
but when that day happens it will be the Tea Party or conservative groups that
get things functioning again.
Wouldn't it be great if life was so simplistic in that one way was the
only right way, that there were only good people and bad people. But the honest
answer is both sides lie, both sides use the media to their advantage, that both
sides play politics and often put party above country. Making any claim that
one side does these acts more than the other is a statement of great naiveness.
Worf - I do agree with you - we need honesty, from both sides. I am
not delusional enough to believe we will ever achieve an fully honest
government. But we need to set the bar high - for both parties. On
my original post, lets be real honest folks. Romney had been running for over 4
years. He was in the media regularly taking shots at Obama since the end of the
previous election. He did not use that time effectively to promote himself.
Yes, the opposition hit Romney hard over the summer, that is what happens in
every election regardless of party. But it is Romney who had 4 years to lay the
groundwork - and wasn't prepared. Enough cries of
victimization. And not conservative enough? Good grief!
Oh, how nice to read such a negative view and blame of Romney. Romney ran an honorable campaign (while there were a few ads I would've
handled differently, I will give Mitt the benefit of the doubt that staff had
more to do with some of those ) because while speaking for himself or in
debates, I always perceived him to be strong but not personally attacking. He
fought hard and gave it all he had! I greatly appreciate the Romney sacrifices
for our country. I am disappointed in personal attacks against Romney by the
Huntsman family. I'm sure Romney is no more perfect than you and I but such
negativism towards someone to put themselves in such a line of fire--especially
by a biased media--ought to be given to be given a "break" by those with
some integrity. The lies and attacks by the POTUS and the blatant
help from the media for BHO, is a clear indication of where our country is
headed. For the DNews to pile on, is disappointing.
What Im hearing here is that the reason the Republicans are in such disarray is
because the Democrats (Liberals) are defining their party? You gotta be kiddin
me. The Republicans are rudderless because the Democrats tell them what to do?
You people have a bigger problem than I thought. I gotta say it again I can
hardly wait for the next iteration of the GOP
George II was not a strong President but had people with experience in his
father's cabinet and senior staff. He probably spent time at Camp David as
a work in progress with the proximity to Washington but those first 9 months of
having the ability within the FBI, Intelligence and FAA processes with licenses
and training didn't help us for 9/11. That was started during the Clinton
administration but the ability of those terrorists to take over our national
carriers and then visit downtown Manhattan, the Pentagon and then the field in
Pennsylvania without the military, national carrier security and FAA able to do
anything was a real shortcoming that became the Bush time and events. He missed
the opportunity to avoid the pitfall of the recessiion and housing market
crisis. He didn't win by much but he did make some decisons that made it
so people thought Obama couldn't be any worse. They even voted him for
another 4 years. During this time, the recession could come back due to a lack
of good policies but Obama chose to do that. He is wanting to get through with
his 4 fastest ships going to Guilder without 4 stars.
"Can a man who is honest, and tells the truth ever win an election? If alive
today, Abraham Lincoln wouldn't beat Obama."You should go see the
movie Lincoln. Saying "Honest Abe" is as inaccurate as labeling a
television network "Fair and Balanced".
"Romney didn't hurt himself with women, and Latinos. It was caused by
propaganda."And an example of that propaganda would be... what?
UtahBlueDevil,Even though sixty percent of our deficit came in the
passed three and a half years, I never claimed just one man creating the
deficit.I don't care about Democrats or Republicans. I just
want an honest truth telling man who is working for the best of our country.Tired of deceit for the sake of gaining votes.Can a man who
is honest, and tells the truth ever win an election? If alive today, Abraham
Lincoln wouldn't beat Obama.
@BlueDevilRomney had to campaign against Obama and the media.2016
will be different because the dems will fight among themselves for position.And media is self-destructing. The networks are losing viewers, the rags are
dying, MSNBC is going the way of Air America, AL Gore's audience is in the
tank...Obama voters get confused with anything longer than a tweet.More Americans are watching their cities go bankrupt.Cloward-Piven may
not be that far off, but what rises from the ashes may surprise you.To
your point, Romney spent too much time agreeing with Obama and appearing
moderate when he should have explained the importance of our debt and the need
to make government smaller. He lacked the courage to tell it like it is, and
shame Obama for delaying fiscal cliff action until the llth hour. As
perilous as it is right now, why didn't government have a budget to work
from?Romney failed to call BO out on some critical mistakes.
Romney failed by not articulating exactly how he would use his CEO experience to
help us have a more effective government. It should have been his number one
objective - how the skills he gained as a CEO translated into benefits the
average joe and jane would benefit from. How would Romney have streamlined the
business side of the DoD, or Interior, to be more efficient - provide US
citizens with greater benefit at lower cost.This should have been
right up his alley.... he should have been able to knock the ball out of the
park by letting the voters know how he would have help transform the US is
government into a lean, modern, and productive entity. But he
didn't. That is his and his campaigns fault. Not the main
stream media. Not Obama. It was HIS job to craft that message.... and he
never addressed it. His weakness was also his strength... which he never
The only people interested in Nikki Haley running for president are those that
don't live in South Carolina, democrats, or Nikki Haley herself. She has
been a below average governor and has horrendously mismanaged one of the biggest
crises the state has faced in the last decade (google south carolina social
security hacking for more information). Her odds of even winning reelection in
2014 are almost nil. The GOP has plenty of viable candidates who
could do well in 2016 unless they underestimate the democrats organization, like
they did this year. The democrats get-out-the-vote operation the past two
elections has been second to none. For the GOP to win they will need an
articulate, organized, genuine, and experienced leader who's willing to
call out members of the party that say or do dumb things. Huntsman and Christie
in my opinion are the best options.
The Liberal Left has gotten it wildly wrong. And intentionally so,
they do not want to help the republican party. Why would want a strong
republican party?The left tears others down that is their modis
operandi.It's not Latino problem.Nor a women problem.The are more women and Latinos in public positions as Republicans than
the democrat party.It's not a conservative or tea party
problem, the problem is the liberal republicans, RINOS, and
moderates, let the democrat party define them, they do stand for
something. as a result, and demographics bear this
out, they do not excite their base. subsequently,
millions on the right did not turn out to vote, if they had the republicans
would have won.The demographics prove this.
There is no lack of leadership in the GOP, there is a lack of GOP. The GOP never
embraced Romney as many have already pointed out. As a nation, we did not vote
in the person who had the most experience dealing with the key issues that face
the U.S.. So, we are back to where we left off, nothing happening. Whether you
want to blame the Demos or the Republicans, it is still the same. The Republican
party never wanted Romney, he simply was the last man/woman standing. The GOP
has really lost touch with America of today. Although people say it is about
finances and jobs, they simply voted for a hand-out instead of a hand-up.
Nothing has changed. The core values that made this country great are no longer
valued. There are jobs out there but too few want to actually work.
in re to Say No to BO,conservatives have and should be the ones to
define the GOP. We liberals are awaiting with much anticipation the new 1959
Media outlets like AP are scrambling to send the message: Tone down the
conservatism.They took control of the primary process and caused serious
damage during the GOP debates.After Romney lost various pundits have
declared that Republicans need to pander to Latinos, women, minorities in
general, entitlement voters...But a case can be made for the position that
Romney was too moderate. Conservatives were not impressed enough to work for
him. And indications are that a couple of million simply stayed home on
election day.Whatever the real answer, this alone is true: Liberals must
not be allowed to define the GOP for us.
Unless the GOP guts its self, dumps any connection to the Tea Party, moves from
the ultra conserative religious right into the moderate conservative side of
politics there is no hope for the party, none. It will just be doing the same
thing over and over again expecting a different result and that won't
happen. Either dump the Tea Party or rename the Republican Party
Republican/Teaparty and guarantee that you will be in the widerness for a very
long time. Republicans clean up your party, you know what needs to be done,
bite the bullet and do it. For starters dump the nonelected that appear to run
the party, namely Grover Norquist, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity,
Glen Beck and the entire crew at Fox news, stop letting them be your
spokespersons. I am an independent voter that would like to see a reasonable
choice at election time not what I saw from the Republicans in this election,
the Republican Party was not a choice for me this time around.
Worf - patriotism wouldn't be partisan. It would hold people responsible
for their actions regardless. Partisanship does not equal patriotism. This nation has never not been buried in debt. From Adams trip to
Europe to fund the revolution - to today - every president and every congress
has their fingerprints on our debt problem we have today. To say one president
is uniquely responsible for the situation.... that's just is not an honest
review of how we got to where we are.
Romney didn't hurt himself with women, and Latinos. It was caused by
propaganda. It's sad. An honest, truthful person cannot win a political
office without deceit.Impartial7,So what. You
don't justify yourself by the actions of others. Pathetic!If a
leader says, tighten your belt. Then set an example.If a leader
says, deficit spending is irresponsible,and unpatriotic, then set an example.This president is costing us, and we need to speak up.Let's not confuse whining with patriotism. Wouldn't it be great if
a leader led by example over words.
TopCat772I must agree with you. I was disappointed when he withdrew from
the primaries. I keep hoping his name comes up for "Secretary of
State". That would be interesting, President Obama did appoint him
Ambassador to China
I think it would be reasonable to argue that there's been a leadership
vacuum in th eGOP for a least a decade.
"Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, never had a strong relationship
with the conservative base, given his more moderate past." - But he kept
telling em he was severly conservative. I just dont think people believe
The whole problem lies within our appetites, we feed at the public trough and
have leaders who will do anything to keep us there. The majority of us us are
led by a minority who have been well trained by the far left. It is not a pretty
The GOP has been leaderless since 2006.
The lack of leadership in the GOP has nothing to do with any specific person
(like Romney), it has to do with their ideology. Who wants to follow a party
that dismisses the 47% or protects the top 1%. Romney was at least honest enough
to acknowledge he was part of the 1% and that the 47% didn't matter. It
doesn't matter what any republican says or who that republican is when they
support a platform that fights agains the majority of people in the US, they are
going to be leaderless.
Jon Huntsman, as Obama's campaign manager Jim Messina recently stated, was
the GOP's best shot in this cycle. He would have polled better than Romney
among swing voters in battleground states, on which the election hinged.
Huntsman was the first to distance himself from Trump, who later became a
liability for the party. He would have immediately withdrawn his support for
Richard Mourdock after his rape comment, making a difference with female voters
and younger voters. He would not have made some of the infamous gaffes Mitt
made. His record has been more consistent and he did not have Romney's
reputation of being a flip flopper. Huntsman also had the most impressive resume
of all the GOP candidates. His was state was ranked "Best State For
Business" while Romney's was ranked 47th. He had significant foreign
policy experience compared with none for any of the other candidates. He was a
proven fiscal conservative whose more moderate social views are practical given
the demographic realities in this country. He would have been the hardest
candidate for Obama to build a case against.Hunstman has the best
chance to bring the White House back to the GOP in 2016.
@WorfQuit whining- your guy lost. Vacation is an issue for you?
Where were you when GWB was in office? He took 3 times the amount than Clinton.
He's by FAR the all time leader in vacations- all the while we had 2 wars
& crushing debt. But, don't let facts get in the way of bashing our
Prez.Jimmy Carter took 79 days in 4 years.Bill Clinton took
152 days in 8 years.Ronald Reagan took 335 days in 8 years.George
Bush Sr. took 543 days in 4 years.George W. Bush eight year
totals:487 days at Camp David490 days at Crawford Ranch43 days
at Kennebunkport CompoundTotal: 1020 days, more than 1/3rd of his
The Party has simply lost its way, it does not know what they are now. The
Primaries showed a race to the extreme, the campaign tried to maintain that
image, realized it was not in concert with America's standard and tried to
shift to the center. Too late and the electorate saw the king has no
clothes.Until the party defines itself, there will be no leadership.
That person(s) must commit to the new platform and standards. A stealth
candidate like Romney in his many disguises can not lead.
AT already said it.It's hard to replace nothing with
nothing.Then again, maybe it's easy. Too easy. Much easier
than actually doing some THINKING and making some EFFORTS to HELP rather than
damage our nation and its people.
Romney didn't cause the leadership vacuum by disappearing. The repbulican
party doesn't know what it is anymore. Is it the tea party, the religious
right, the big tent? In the end they found their only convergence in grumpy old
white men, and it wasn't enough. The vacuum was already there.
Romney was unlikely to unite the disparate wings of the GOP, as those fractures
were manifested in the primaries, when Republicans went through several
iterations of the non-Romney candidate of the month. It's probably a
blessing in disguise for Mormons that Romney did not win, as his penchant for
changing colors would have been perceived as weak leadership, and his weaknesses
in like ability would have meant he would become highly unpopular.Where the GOP goes from here is anyone's guess, though the nation is wary
of endless obstructionism. In the Senate, Mitch McConnell makes a very poor
leader for a GOP looking to capture the future, as his relationship with Obama
is almost non-existent, given his open goal of making Obama a one term
president. He continued the same interesting strategy by calling the President
on Thanksgiving to remind him he only won 4 counties in Kentucky, and he's
up for re-election in 2014, in a state that elected a Libertarian tea partier as
its other Senator. In other words, McConnell intends to oppose anything and
everything, as before. Obama should work around McConnell. Is that
how the GOP intends to move forward?
There was a vacuum before the election. The GOP cannot decide what it wants to
be, just as Romney could not. He was a candidate of him, not for anything he
stood for. Had he been true to himself, he would have been elected. Instead, he
pandered to the far right. If anything is to be learned from this election,
moving to the far right is a path to failure. Those who control the GOP
don't get it. You may win in places like Utah, but the nation as a whole
will never buy the extremism, and changing demographics will make it even less
"Romney's loss creates leadership vacuum for GOP"-------------How ironic. The reelection of Obama created the same
leadership vacuum for the Democrats.
As long as the the right wing refuses to take a pragmatic aspproach to
immigration republicans will lose the hispanic vote. Second point. It is not
about Obama buying votes with free stuff as Rush Limbaugh would have us believe.
It is all about demonizing and assigning character flaws to certain segments
of the population, ie the poor, minorities, and idiotic statements about rape
and abortion. The American people deserve solutions to the debt crisis and
moral leadership. AS of right now I am not optimistic about the future of the
conservative movement. Time for new leadership. The first casualty should be
McConnel as Senate Minority leader. All he ever stood for was opposing Obama.
AT,Pretty hard to lead a party that never wanted him in the first
place. They fought him tooth-and-nail for seven months and then grudgingly
accepted him because they had no choice, but never gave him complete support.
Imagine someone on fire who refuses to jump into a lake because he doesn't
want to get wet. This is the GOP right now. In a moment where it was on fire it
had an opportunity to rally behind a candidate who truly had a reasonable shot
at defeating Obama, and it couldn't do it because it didn't want to
support a moderate. Congratulations. The prize for such foolishness is a charred
disaster with no path to recovery.Democrats will run this country
from here on out. And the GOP can thank itself.
The far right of the Republican Party is loosing it grip and is doing everything
it can to hold onto it, even at the expense of its own party's power.Mitt Romney did not do himself any favors by naming Paul Ryan his
running mate. He may have won a few more votes among the Tea Party Evangelicals,
but he hurt himself among women and Latino voters.If the GOP is
serious about winning the White House in 2016, it absolutely must find a way to
appeal to moderate voters, especially among women and Latinos. That's why I
believe you will see one or both of these groups represented on the GOP ticket
in 2016.The three best scenarios I see for 2016 are:Marco Rubio for Prez with New Hampshire Senator Kelly Ayotte as VeepChris Christie for Prez with New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez as VeepNikky Haley for Prez with Marco Rubio as Veep
Romney's loss creates leadership vacuum for the United States of
America.We're drowning in debt, and Obama travels to Burma,
gives a campaign speech at a toy company, then hops off to Hawaii for a three
week all expense paid vacation.Prior to that, was months on the
campaign trail.That's not leadership.
The Republican Party had its best potential leader in Rudy Giuliani. He was
personally pro-life, but accepted the will of the people regarding choice; he
had experience with leading through crisis, fighting organized crime, and
dealing with foreign diplomats. He was moderate, realistic, and tough, and he
knew how to manage a budget and bring opposing factions together. When he ran,
he faced opposition from the Tea Party, the Christian right, the good ol’
boys (i.e. Gingrich and Perry), etc. He stood on stage with – what? nine
or so others? -- who tore each other apart trying to be the anointed one. In
the end, he shrugged it off, perhaps not wanting it enough, or perhaps having no
stomach for the intra-party cannibalism. Meanwhile, most LDS were breathless at
the thought of a Captain Moroni versus a Pahoran, but that was never gonna
happen. Giuliani could have beaten Obama, but he didn’t get the chance.
Until Republicans get smarter and more pragmatic, the Democrats will keep
winning the presidency.
The Republicans didn't embrace Romney, they fought him and when he was the
last man standing, well, the energy had been largely expended. The Repubs have
no one to blame but themselves as they let the Demos define their strategy and
platform as well as their candidate. And when all is said and done, with the
electorate still clinging to a divided Congress, don't look for anything
too great during the next 4 years. In the near time, I hope we avoid the fiscal
cliff but I won't be surprised if we don't. True finger-pointing can
then ensue. I'd rather hae Obama to blame than Romney if our
situation grows worse and I think that scenario is highly likely. We're
just too divided in the Legislature Branch of government to get anything
done......anything at all.The public has seen to it that the divide
will continue, too. Maybe after another 4 years of a do-nothing Congress voters
will get the hint----but I doubt it. The 49% enjoy their free ride too much to
embrace personal responsibility in their lives. Call us "Greece West."
The title is a bit misleading. Romney's loss didn't create the vacuum.
It was already there. Romney didn't lead the party, he was just the least
offensive candidate. Yes, the Republican Wing of the Establishment Party is a
little weak right now. However, not to worry. They'll find someone for the
next go around to provide the illusion of choice.