Frank Pignanelli & LaVarr Webb: What are the tough issues facing Utah's Legislature?

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  • James1105 BOAZ, AL
    Dec. 4, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    Kind of hard to comment on so many posts with one post.

    First off, people should understand that Republicans are socialists as well, they are just fascist socialists instead of just socialists as the Democrats are.

    Second, equating people who FREE WILLINGLY join a society and give of their assets and future work for the welfare of all is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than socialism which uses FORCE to take from its citizenry. In America, we live in a fascist socialist society - we stopped being what we are TOLD we are still are long ago.

    $88 Trillion dollar deficit? Try doubling that, and then add another $50 Trillion dollars. %220 Trillion dollars is the true figure. Adding to the deficit will not go to our children and grandchildren, it will cause a financial collapse for everyone in the country and most other parts of the world in the fairly near future. Bank on it and do something about it. Your government leaders won't do anything about it but declare martial law, and make everyone slaves "for the people's sake".

    Why is everyone cheering for the status quo from either of the main political parties?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 4, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    7:22 p.m. Dec. 2, 2012

    That socialist approach has never worked- from Plymouth Colony to the Soviet Union.


    You are forgetting the Garden of Eden,
    The City of Enoch,
    the Chilren of Israel,
    1st century Christians,
    1st century Nephites/Lamanites
    Joseph Smith & Brigham Young,
    and of course Plymouth to the USSR as you mentioned.

    The principles are sound and work better than any other.
    They were implemented by Christ himself.

    It's prideful, greedy people [followers of Lucifer] who make it fail.

    Get the failure right --

    You can blame the people,
    but you Can't blame the Principle.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Dec. 3, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    DN Subscriber
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Tax food if the state needs the money.


    Utah state legilature just bragged about an $85 Million surplus.

    So, you must for DROPPING the food tax.

    BTW - as an anti-tax Conservative, why do you constatntly support ANY additional and un-necessary tax at all?

    You see, this is were I lose you people.

    You say Don't tax the uber-wealthy 1%,
    but are just fine Sticking it to the poor, the needy and the truly hungry.
    I don't get it?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Dec. 3, 2012 4:47 a.m.

    "a socialist transfer of wealth from rest of the people who pay taxes to give money (even if it is a rebate) to someone else."

    DN subscriber

    Is it also socialistic to force people without children to pay a tax to fund schools?

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 10:13 p.m.

    With 600,000 K-12 public ed students it would take a tax increase of $600 Million to make a dent in the rankings to move Utah up from last in some ratios to the next to the last. That isn't going to happen. We could add more targetted resources that would help but those harping on some magic ratio should care more about the results.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    Tax food if the state needs the money. However, forget about rebating some of it to "the poor" as some sort of rebate or tax credit. That is not fairness, but simply a socialist transfer of wealth from rest of the people who pay taxes to give money (even if it is a rebate) to someone else.

    The democrat class warfare attacks have worked well, and from now on, everyone who makes a dollar more than anyone else will be vilified as "evil rich" and demanded to pay "their fair share," until everyone has nothing.

    That socialist approach has never worked- from Plymouth Colony to the Soviet Union.

    Since the government is now confiscating wealth for redistribution, I will no longer give to charities. I've already paid, and paid and paid. My first obligation is to support myself and my family, and when (not if) our economy collapses from unsustainable spending, I need to ensure that we can survive ourselves. At that point I will feel sorry for the Obama voters, but they are not my problem, they endorsed his destruction of our country and it economic base.

  • elfrich West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 7:12 p.m.

    The reason for lowering the overall tax rate is only to benefit those individuals and companies who sell big ticket items. Those companies who sell products like cars, trucks, RVs, boats, furniture, and such like can see their products suddenly become hundreds of dollars more affordable. Our state representatives are heavily lobbied and rewarded with campaign contributions from such individuals. Two years ago they wanted to lower the tax rate overall and fund education. Now they want to give rebates which, of course, will be harder to use. The real question is whether or not a food tax is a stable base. What happens when inflation occurs like we had two years ago? And do we really need more revenue when we had a surplus this year? In Colorado the sales tax rate is 2.9% with no tax on food or prescriptions. They were able to accomplish this through a booming economy. Utah will be in a similar position. We have many new job openings and people coming in to our state, which, of course, will create more tax revenue. Utah should really be looking at completely eliminating food tax like 30 other state have already done.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    Sorry Mr. Webb, there is no complexity to the problem in education. We relied on our homogeneous population and generally favorable family involvement to elevate our test scores in past generations while over time starving education. Now the demographics are changing and parents have less time to work with their children. The shaky foundation of our education has become exposed. Schools need more funding. Class sizes are enormous, teachers are underpaid and overworked. The Republicans control the legislature and have for a generation. It is up to them and only them to decide whether Utah's educational fortunes will be changed.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 1:08 p.m.

    Funny --

    Utah Republicans squeal like stuck pigs about the prospect of the uber-wealthy 1-2% facing a tax increase,

    and salavate at the idea of stinking it to the poor, the needy and everyone else over a life necessity such as a FOOD tax!

    The hypocriasy with Utah Republicans is truely astounding!

  • squirt Taylorsville, ut
    Dec. 2, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    Until Utah adequately funds public education, there will be minimal gains. Our class sizes are off the charts as a result of unfunded growth for two years.

    As a teacher, I am completely sick and tired of folks expecting us to do more this less than any other state in this country, then they tell us how efficient we are while at the same time slamming the teachers for not doing enough.

    SHAME on Utah.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 2, 2012 12:48 a.m.

    People that are working, but struggling to have enough money to pay bills often target a mortgage/rent, utilities, transportation and then food.

    When someone walks into a store with $3 left to buy food, you don't tell them it is OK they don't have enough money to buy milk or chicken, they will get $80 at the end of the year.

    Raising the tax on food increases the number of people needing help from the community, church or government and is the wrong thing to do.

    The majority republicans and democrats in the state house correctly fought the idea of raising the price on food 2 years ago, despite it passing in the senate. That bill was to lower the overall rate to make up for the food tax matching everything else. While that idea was terrible in a recession and especially hard on fixed income, it isn't as bad as the idea being tossed on in the senate this year. I respect the sponsor, but not the bill.

    Even today, there are people that don't have enough money to buy food, but are managing to stay off the food stamps and other helps, but just barely.

  • cns St George, Utah
    Dec. 2, 2012 12:32 a.m.

    Would someone please explain to me what purpose is served in increasing the sales tax on food and then lowering overall tax rates to make the increase revenue neutral.