High school football: 4A all-state teams

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  • Hawaii football fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 1, 2012 6:52 p.m.

    @BigBenzo88- DN does an incredible job with the High School scene, but I don't know if they'll ever get this right. IMHO players that sometimes receive the least recognition are those that play for terrible teams and HAVE to go both ways for the team to be remotely competitive. How can a kid that is near the top in tackles for his position (despite 3-4 fewer games), have more all-purpose yards than any other DB going both ways, play ALL special teams... including kicking duties... not get recognized? Not even honorable mention? Is this an oversight or is it more of their own coaches fault?

    There were a few recognized for what they did LAST year or who they've committed to.

    Kinda makes you an open enrollment and transfer where ever you want to supporter.

  • just sayin' Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    FaifeauSam: just make up your own awards, buy some trophies, pass 'em out and there you go!

  • footballisgood Holladay, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 5:22 p.m.

    Hate to bring this up, but saying that Herriman and Logan would have gotten more on had they advanced further is a bit short sighted this year. Both would have advanced had they played competition appropriate to their seed. I am not going to rehash the whole UHSAA decision, I am just saying that had Herriman or Logan been in the top part of the bracket, or played tthe draw of true 1 or 2 seeds, they would have been probable semifinal teams, so by your rationale they would then get more players on all state? I would hope that the selectors would look more thoroughly than that.
    If all state should be based on how good your team was, it would be much more appropriate to look at Logan and Herriman as top 5 teams then it would to look at them as first round exits, that is all I am saying in response to your argument.
    I actually thought the Herriman players were selected appropriately, with the exception that I think someone, in two years, deserves credit for blocking in that offense, even if it is honorable mention, that's all.

  • FaifeauSam Lehi, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    @BigBenzo: See James Edward's story: How the all-state football teams are picked

    By James Edward, Deseret News

  • FaifeauSam Lehi, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 3:50 p.m.

    To me, the indication of a well-rounded team will put fewer standouts on the All-State teams. Timpview was well rounded and there were players who would have been starters and standouts on most other teams. Five first and second team players were from Timpview plus two Honorable Mentions, and they were from the State Champion team. There were also six from Mountain Crest plus one HM. Six from East plus one HM. Four from Logan plus one HM. Two from Woods Cross plus one HM. Three from Herriman plus one HM. So your rationale that the best teams have the most honorees is not necessarily valid.

    Timpview and East had to prove themselves because of their forfeits, and they performed admirably in spite of the nay-sayers and many who wished them to lose. There were even others who called them cheaters when they won, but they won anyway! That's the sign of a real champion!

  • utahfootballfun South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    The reality is that the best teams get the most kids on all state. If you don't make a good run in the playoffs, your kids are not noticed. Whether you agree with this or not, it is the reality...probably why the Herriman and Logan kids didn't make it.

  • UC Baller Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 2:47 p.m.

    Hey FaifeauSam,

    Yes it would have been nice for Tyler to be All State. But thats just a piece of paper. All HS fans, and I am sure especially them at Timpview, will remember him for that game tying, clutch FG in the State Championship as the time expired. That, my friend, will last a lifetime and be remembered by all (instead of an award). I am sure any of these kids would take a State Championship over any personal honor. And for Solorzano to hit that with that kind of pressure in the big game is what Champs are made of- especially knowing if he misses they lose. The coaches obviously knew he was money and believed also. Kids a baller.

    Also, congrats to all on this list. It was an exciting, fun filled year of HS football!!!

  • tipitup Logan, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    FaifeauSam: last I heard Jake committed to USU for kicking. Logan had 3 all state players from last year that were injured this year that will all be playing for USU. Chasen Anderson, coach A's son, Caden Anderson, no releation, and Jake.

  • BigBenzo88 Herriman, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    @FaifeauSam - I agree...it seems like some really good players have been left off of this list. Herriman had a Tight End with 500 yds and 5 TDs and also a Strong Safety with 59 tackles and 3 INTs that I thought for sure would have made one of the three All-State Teams for 4A. I did notice that only 3 defensive backs instead of 4 were chosen for the 3 teams....which means that 3 DBs lost the chance to be recognized.

    Does anyone know how the voting works? Is it by coaches, by the media or both?

  • FaifeauSam Lehi, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    Tyler Solorzano of Timpview is another case in point as he missed three games after ankle surgery and was relegated to back-up place kicker. Had he not missed so many games as first kicker, he could easily have ended up with 23 field goals instead of just 20, 207 PATs and 276 total points. He also would have surpassed Stephenson and Sorenson. Even with those missed games, he is still second behind Stephenson in career points with 236.

    But neither Thompson nor Solorzano will be honored for their work and effort because of injuries; that's the nature of the game. Hopefully they can both go on to the next level and prove themselves at JC or a Division II program somewhere.

    Defensively at the safety position, Solorzano had 45 tackles and three interceptions (111 and six in his career) for 2012. But he was not even singled out for honorable mention at the 4A level. It's interesting how this works.

  • FaifeauSam Lehi, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    We can always play the "what if" game considering potential injuries in athletics.

    Interesting that Jake Thompson of Logan whose career was cut short after an injury and just three games this year was on pace to break the state record for career kicking and could have hypothetically ended up with 271 total points to surpass Riley Stephenson of Pine View who scored 250 points in his 4-year career from 2002-2005. Thompson's 28 hypothetical field goals could have equaled Justin Sorenson's while he kicked for Bingham from 2005-2007. Both Stephenson and Sorenson are currently kicking for BYU in Division 1.Thompson's 44 and 49 yard FGs are among the best in the state this year.

    Hopefully he will reconstruct that injured leg and go on to greater things.

  • footballisgood Holladay, UT
    Nov. 30, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    I thought that was odd as well. Herriman has rushed for over 3,000 yards each of the last two years but no all state blockers to show for it, not even the tight end whom I think is a tremendous blocker. You just don't run for that many yards without blocking!

  • UtahCountyFootball PROVO, UT
    Nov. 29, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    Why is it that only 4 offensive lineman got picked for the 4A team and in years past it has been 5?