High school football: Family of ineligible Timpview players speaks out about controversy

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  • taum american fork, UT
    Nov. 28, 2012 6:36 a.m.

    Amy this is a great article.
    Open enrollment in Utah appears to be Open without supervision. At least until someone screams on the other person. A District, a Principal or a School AD should be totally embraced over the problems on eligibilty.
    The ones we know about are ususally brought to light by other students having to comply or get caught not complying. Utah we need to clean up our act on all eligibilty requirements.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 27, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    Worst offenders: Timp View, Bingham, Cottonwood, East. Solution? Mandate players play where they live. If they want to play somewhere else, they sit out a year and lose that years eligibility.

  • south fan washington, utah
    Nov. 27, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    Play where you want, transfer once per year, get the uhsaa out of students lives, penalize coaches that recrute, school is for the kids not the coaches, fans and NOT the uhsaa.

  • YRuAH8R Provo, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 6:14 p.m.

    I know this family and they are wonderful people. They had 3 kids that graduated from Provo High in '09 but they rented their home out so they could move away from Provo High. You don't know why they left, so who are you to judge the fact they should have gone back to Provo? And when they moved back, their youngest son went to Timpview instead of Provo High. None of this would have come to light if an envious player hadn't said anything.

    Take the story for what it is, it's laid out in plain facts. No one is asking for sympathy because they are basically telling it the way it is. There was no recruiting involved and there was a hardship that need not be said.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    Nov. 26, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    If you have a hard and fast rule you could end up make life difficult for those who aren't trying to break any rules. Humans aren't predictable robots who have control of their environment, surely this mom/aunt or friend had no intention to break rules, the coaches had no way to know a rule was being broken, the school should not have been punished or had to forfeit any victories. From a court standpoint having open enrollment but for varsity kids is a conflict that at some point is going to get shoot down. This is really about is envy, as written a kid who WASN'T granted the right to transfer "ratted out" the player because he was jealous. If Timpview wins and has good parental involvement rather than trying to tear it down and having jealousy for their success why not work for the same thing at other schools? If you see a clear case of a fake divorce so a kid can live with dad in the "good" schools boundaries deny it, but in this case leave it alone. Is the activities assoc trying to punish teams for winning?

  • UtahCountyFootball PROVO, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:17 p.m.

    @Cache - Maybe so but I do recall Mountain Crest having to forfeit 3 games last year for an ineligible move in player regardless of that situation. Mountain Crest is a 5A school that petitions to stay in and play in 4A you should have no trouble beating smaller schools with your large base of home grown talent.

  • Uncle Sam West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    I have honestly reached the point where I am tired of hearing about these stories. The UHSAA has rules in place, it isn't their duty to make sure someone understands English!

    The UHSAA needs to be strict on these "living with uncle so and so" stories. For every legit case there are 50 that are bucking the system.

    Play where you live. Problem solved.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:47 p.m.

    CTJ Fan:

    I was wondering about that statement a little myself. I wonder if Beaver has any players from Milford. I hear Delta is robbing Millard blind of quality football athletes. I hear North Sanpete is losing players to Manti.

    It might be an issue in urban schools but most schools in Utah are actually rural and PLAY with their own players from their own communities.

    I think even some 4A/5A schools in more isolated areas, and Cache Valley would qualify for that, are in the same boat, playing with their own players.

    Now would these players in question up there "wash out" at Provo. What is meant by wash out? Being familiar with both schools in the district, both have excellent, caring teachers. The football coaches at Provo might not have the winning program that Timpview has but they are caring individuals that have high expectations of their students in the community and classroom. Whether they washed out or not would be entirely up to them. But perhaps they could have been invaluable cogs of building something that needed building rather than just being cogs in the wheel of a football machine...

  • slcftball Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:19 p.m.

    The state has an open enrollment law that allows parents to send their children to any school they want — for any reason. You don't have to live in the boundaries of West Jordan High to benefit from the programs offered at that school.

    If my kid was food at band, he would go to the best band school. If academics at school A was a 2 out of 10....and nearby school B was a 10/10...I would send him to school B.

    Just like the Lone Peak QB that came from Jordan because he wouldn't see the field. It is perfectly fine to give your child the best scenario possible to succeed. Every school has out of boundary kids MC!

  • Cache Millville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    "" Every school has out-of- boundary kids" said Mr. McKee. This is just not true. Not ONE single kid on the Mountain Crest football roster lives outside the school boundaries........ Not one. Check with officials at the school if you do not believe me.

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:05 p.m.

    The bottom line the high school association needs to adjust and change some rules. There's a lot of kids living with reletives nowadays and they need to adjust to that. But the fact that they don't take into account the whole situation is a shame, and too punish a whole team because of that is ridiculous. You can switch for hardship but not for sports, so basically they file a piece of paper this is all right, that doesn't stop kids from going to other school to play sports that just punishes the ones who don't know how to get around the system. Doesn't make a lot of sense too me. Especially when they allow public schools different rules where they can recruit but others can't yet they have to play each other, that makes not sense at all either. Why does Juan Diego reload every year, they have an advantage over every other 3A school. Someone with some common sense needs to take that over and change some things!

  • UtahCountyFootball PROVO, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:50 p.m.

    Open enrollment. If any school or individual has an issue with it they can speak to their local representative and work on getting that changed. Until then the arguments of community and how other schools feel is a waste of time. Regardless both these boys are done with Timpview football and obtained their goal of a successful season. In my opinion they would of washed out at Provo.

  • IntheUC10 Lehi, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    I agree with eagle . . . And between Provo and Westlake you have Lehi, AF, PG, Lone Peak, Timp and Orem and they happen to pick Timpview, how very convenient. Funny how you don't hear about transfers to Juab, Delta, Cyprus, Murray, Uintah, Grand, etc. Part of high school sports is about participation. What about those who don't make these teams because kids and parents "shop" programs and take valued roster spots? It is sad that the community spirit is lost on these kids and how they end up car pooling and spending more time on I 15 than in the towns that support the various schools through the years. It's fine that these adults care about their own and others to take them in and give them homes and loving support but if they would commit to schools locally, volunteer in class rooms and show caring support at any school, these kids will do just fine. Why don't you do an in-depth look into the rosters of the top teams and see where some of these kids and their families really live because of "hardship".

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    So it seems like the family knew they were in Provo High boundaries. Did I read that right? And other family members attended Provo High? But the one that was really good at football ended up at Timpview? As did the other young man in question? I wonder how Provo High should feel all about this.