End school socialism in public schools

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  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Nov. 27, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    Of course Kent Redford's letter is a joke. He wrote a single handout for thousands of readers, printed by someone else, and unearned by us.

  • boxerdog915 Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 7:39 p.m.

    Amen!! Enough said!!

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 6:48 p.m.

    @Craig Clark

    Thomas Jefferson wanted to educate ONLY the best students in the long run at public expense, a system based on MERIT, not educate everyone. While everyone would initially participate for 3 years only, only the best students would continue to be educated at the public expense, anf his was NOT a federally funded or controlled plan.

    Franklin was NOT for state or federal funded and controlled schools. The school he started was privately funded.

    When he spoke of public schools he was talking about private citizens getting together and creating community schools, at the time and for long time after Franklin most school were private, or communities were so small they hired a teacher to teach all the children at a the church or a one room school house.

    Franklin thought that was the best way to assure a standard education for all children especially for those who could not afford a private school.

    Though he more concerned about German immigrants not having an "english" education

    But federally funded and state controlled schools, I think not.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Nov. 26, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    Awesome letter! Is there anything more amusing than when a comedian reads Atlas Shrugged?

  • catcrazed Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    I love it when people say "the system is failing." It is not failing, we are. We are failing to accept responsibility for joining the system to educate our children. Turn off the video games, read, spend time together, turn off mindless TV, and discover the real world. Discuss things as families. Sure, improvements can be made to any system. But the real failure is our family life.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Nov. 26, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    Redshirt and the DN got reeled in like a trout.

    "Firsthand accounting for historic events can come from the private sector. All they have to do is travel to those time-periods."

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 26, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" Duh....the problem is that the system is failing. Why should we continue to throw more money at a failing system?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Nov. 26, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    the truth,

    ".....It is quite a well know fact the that over a hundred years ago socialists and progressives targeted the education system, they want to force all children into public schools....."

    The real target of your concerns should be Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. They were two of the earliest proponents of public education in America at a time when education was the domain of private interests, most commonly religion. Jefferson donated land and resources for what became the first state institution of higher education in the country.

    Thank goodness we have public education in America. It's done more to give people at the bottom a leg up than private education ever would have.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    Deep Space 9, Ut
    I agree, end the socialism in schools.


    Read the letter Red - it's called a Parody.

    Let's end Socialism is the schools,
    and in the homes,
    and in the communities,
    and in the Churches!

    It's each and everyman for himself,
    Dog-eat-Dog world,
    the law of the jungle!
    Sink or Swim.

    No one can build or do anything except it's by him or herself!

    Each man is an island!


  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 26, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    I agree, end the socialism in schools. How many articles have we had recently complaining about the poor performance of schools in the US or Utah? If they are all failing and doing so poorly and are socialist, how about we give capitalism a try?

    We already have to supply our kids with books, paper, pencils, scissors, crayons, tissue, and all sorts of classroom supplies to support the socialist system. That is in addition to the property taxes that we pay.

    So, since we see that socialism has failed in our schools, let try something new.

    Let the kids who fail a grade or subject repeat it.

    Let the kids who want to drop out of school at age 16 do so.

    Reduce testing to a single grade appropriate test at the end of the year.

    Give letter grades starting in 2nd grade.

    Fire the failing teachers.

    Don't worry about self esteem, that is earned and not taught.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    How do letters like this even get published? And WHY?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    The letter does not seem to be very clear,

    but one thing is very self evident:

    The inner mean-spiritedness of the left has come out loud and clear, and the endless insulting of anyone who doesn't go along with their far left dogmatic views.

    It is quite a well know fact the that over a hundred years ago socialists and progressives targeted the education system, they want to force all children into public schools, or gain federal dictatorial control over schools via federal funding, where a central government would control all eduction so all children would be taught socialist and progressive values and views.

    Now how many stories have there been where teachers are reaching little children to praise obama, and insult and scare children if they do not follow leftest views? Far too many.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    Brilliant letter; it made me laugh out loud!

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Nov. 25, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    To those of you who think this is a parody. I hope you are right.

    If not, we have a real problem . . .

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    OK, now I get it!

    This whole letter was a slap in the face to the ultra-far-right wingers who can't understand the "You Didn't Build That" statement the President made during the campaign.


    Excellent comment!

    Go out and do it yourself,
    You don't need help or guideance from anyone else - because in the ultra-Con world, each man is a little island.

    Beautfiful letter!

    LEt the little rug-rats figure it all out, and do it all - EVERYTHING - on their own!


  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    I don't know even where to go with this. Is there anyone in D-News land that filters these letters? Never mind, like Mr. Samuelsen said above, this letter made my day.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    re: William Gronberg 6:29 a.m. Nov. 25, 2012

    Then, we can have Mike R from SJ tell us what allegedly is in COTUS about education and the subsequent role of Gov't.


  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:17 a.m.

    Rule no. 1. Never believe the words of someone who doesn’t know what socialism is.

    Rule no 2. Always apply rule no 1.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    Schools ought teach the truth, not mindless right wing propanganda. Socialism AND capitalism play an important role in our society. Both are necessary for our well being. Socialism ensures each of us have access to roads, police protection, national defense and public funding of education. Each gets of these services according to their need and each pays according to their ability.

    Capitalism is the best wealth creation engine devised yet and it allows us to pay for the socialistic programs we do have. America is great because we implement the best ideas of capitalism AND socialism. Unlike the Soviet Union which fell, we don't reject a good ideology, just because it comes from the 'wrong' ideology.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    Very very funny. I especially enjoyed the time travel component. Made my day.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    Hilarious letter!


    Thank you for your humor today, well needed.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    This letter really makes no sense. The writer apparently knows very little or almost nothing about what happens in a classroom.

    He doesn't even seem to know what a "worksheet" is. In fact, he doesn't even seem to understand what socialism is or isn't.

    I'd like to know more about the writer and what kinds of "qualifications" he claims to have to write something like this.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:21 a.m.


  • Ninjutsu Sandy, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:44 a.m.

    This article might as well have been titled "End public schools." If students are to be taught only what they are interested in learning, if they are only to be given answers to questions they themselves think to ask, what good are schools at all? They would be better served with a good internet provider and Wikipedia.

    Aren't there some things a child should learn regardless of whether or not they are personally interested? My Mom made me eat broccoli just because it was good for me. I was much more interested in fudge brownies. Anyway, a teacher's job is not to fill their heads with information, but to instill a curiosity for a subject and then help to satisfy it. A public school's job is to do that for every student in the country.

    Incidentally, I don't see how this letter is saying anything about "socialism." Does the author even know what this term means?

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    Brilliant parody, for a sentence or two, I thought it was serious.

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    I wonder if JCS in Davis County will begin a response to this letter in his typical way?

    Perhaps it will be; “Kent is absolutely right.”

    Or perhaps with a little less gusto only; “Kent is correct.”