Richard Davis: Utah Democrats must adapt to become a viable political party

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  • frugalfly PULLMAN, WA
    Nov. 27, 2012 7:04 p.m.

    I agree with you on much of your criteria. You sound economically liberal but the rest seems reasonable and founded in rational civics/religion/philosophy. I lived for 3.5 years in Utah during school and my wife is from Utah. I would call Utah's voters far more informed than in many of the states which I have lived. I have see many many informed persons get very involved in Utah Politics. If you take the Utah voting populace and compare them to Chicago Urban voters or Cleveland Urban Voters or Detroit Urban voters you'd find less "misinformation" in the most rural or "presupposed backward rural Utah". I've been in both....I'd call Minnesota the most perplexing voting state I have ever lived in....

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 27, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    I left the Utah Democratic Party and joined the Socialist Pary - USA because the Utah Democratic Party keeps trying to be the GOP lite. Utah Democrats - stand for something or find another hobby.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    "The landslide election for Republicans in this state was driven more by the intense and irrational hatred conservatives hold for President Obama than by any specific policies embraced by Democrats."

    Most people in Utah intensely dislike Obama for his policies. Calling that "irrational" is a typical left-wing guilt trip - which by the way - is why I have an intense hatred for "tolerant" left-wing politics, which are often little more than industrial strength shame and hypocrisy (therefore I am stuck in the conservative camp by default).

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 1:20 p.m.


    Now replace democrat with republican on the national level. Still LOL!!! Funny.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Nov. 26, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    What we need is an abolition of all political parties in the country and term limits across the board. Then people will vote based on their concience and the people we elect will legislate based on their conscience and won't sell out to big corporations and offshore banks like Republicans and Democrats do.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    Is it really necessary to call names, as if we were on the playground in sixth grade, when talking about political issues? Just because someone does not see things the same way you do, or vote the same way you do, or bases their decisions on what they accept as their value system, does not make them any less "informed" than you.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 26, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    Tooele, UT
    Re: "Utah Democrats must adapt to become a viable political party"

    It'll never happen.


    Utah was Democrat from 1847 - 1970's.
    Most of it's history has been Democrat.

    Brigham Young even assigned members to be Republicans back in the day because it was so lop-sided.

    They way things are going, if they don't change on their own --
    I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that happening again.

    2 Nephi 2:11
    "For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in ALL things. If not so, my first-born in the wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass."

    [if you believe this scripture in the BoM, that would have to include politics as well.]

    FYI - Hitler, Stalin, Moa Tse Tung, and Kim Jong Il all enjoyed thier single-party systems.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    Re: "Utah Democrats must adapt to become a viable political party"

    It'll never happen.

    Utah Democrats are not free to adapt. We are held in vise-like thrall by party money and a national party organization composed entirely of leftist apparatchiks, whose primary function is to enforce a strict leftist orthodoxy on candidates and elected officials.

    The best illustration is the way Mr. Matheson acts when he's in Washington -- completely the opposite of the way he talks in Utah.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    This begs the question:

    Why do we need parties at all?

    Holding a public office should be about serving the people or your constituents.

    NOT about serving a party. Parties do not care about the people or the constituents, parties only care about power and their own political agendas.

    Parties have done more damage to our country and governance than any good.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Nov. 25, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    What a bunch of bulloney I have just read in above posts. No one has the right to tell Utah folks how to vote. No one has the right to call Utah folks lazy and ill-informed. Utah voters are every bit as well-informed as anywhere in the nation. Just because you don't like how the vote went, get real and accept the truth: Utah folks are strong in opposition to the Democrat position on gay marriage, abortion, entitlements, union clout etc. Truth may not be to YOUR liking. Deal with it!!

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    I have a hard time believing that this guy is a BYU Prof. His logic that Utah Dems become Republican Lite & follow LDS leaders, is akin to telling LDS members in non- LDS majority States(the other 49) to forgo their beliefs & follow the beliefs of the majority of the population of their States. I don't think either scenario is plausible.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 1:27 p.m.

    Utah Mormons for the most part lemmings,
    who think and feel only ONE party can be right, and all others are inherently wrong.

    That is a key flaw to societies who fall into Totalitarian systems of Government.

    Strip away political titles, and vote for the person and on the issues.

    That said - following my LDS beliefs...

    I look for candidates who are:

    Freedom (aka, Liberalism) 1st,
    Little Government decision in my choices as to who, what, where I decide to live,
    Pro-Life --
    - Anti-War,
    - Anti-Death Penalty,
    Equal rights,
    Tolerant of others,
    inclusive of others,
    Pro-Choice (Republicans strip away ALL choice - even in cases of rape, incest, and life/health of the woman)
    Allow others to worship who, where and what they may,
    Fair and equalitable wages,
    Re-Distribution of Wealth,
    The 99% are the majority - not the wealthy, above the law 1%,

    I'm not registered a Democrat - in fact I even voted for a Republican for President last election (I wrote in Jon Huntsman Jr.)

    But a REPUBLICAN I definetely am not!

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    As long as the LDS's owned newspaper, Deseret News, promotes the Republican Party and conservative agenda the Democratic Party doesn't have a chance in UT. There is no room on Deseret News pages for thoughtful examination and reporting of anything that doesn't further Republican ideas (except perhaps, immigration).

    That said, hang in there UT Democrats!

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    If the democrats become republicans, how does that make a two party system? If we have a two party system and both parties are the same people, how does that make a two party system?

    How about we do away with the misleading, imaginary, phony nomenclature of Republicans and Democrats. How about we give new names to the actual demographics of people and simply call the political parties by their real names, business and ordinary people.

    Or, how about we do away with political parties altogether. Maybe we could elect leaders by their merit rather than by their affiliation. There are many more desirable courses of action for our government than can be addressed by only two parties.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    Just as I don't think Republicans need to stop being Republicans to compete on the national stage, Democrats shouldn't stop being Democrats. The landslide election for Republicans in this state was driven more by the intense and irrational hatred conservatives hold for President Obama than by any specific policies embraced by Democrats. The tide will turn.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    No amount of adapting will change lazy voters and their straight party ticket voting.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Nov. 25, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    The problem for Utah democrats is simple. In Utah: Republicans...Republican RIGHT! Democrats ...Republican LIGHT! Utah Democrats will never be politically effective in Utah until they educate a Utah electorate that is woefully low information and misinformed by a pervasive monopolistic right wing media and a political lock step religiously oriented social contract. The first step for Utah Democrats is to act like Democrats and not just pander to the right wing biases of this state. If they fail to do this they will never be politically relevant.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    Utah Democrats are basically moderate Republicans. How much more "adapting" can they do. The only Utah Democrat that could really be called a liberal is Rocky Anderson. Utah went for FDR, the most radical president in history, in four consecutive elections. It appears that "Utah values" are the polar opposite of what they were 80 years ago.