Utah football notebook: The two Pac-12 newcomers have struggled

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  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2012 3:02 p.m.


    Wake me up when Utah starts recruiting on the scale of all 4 and 5 star recruits like USC.

    Until that day comes expect more of the same... a do or die situation at the 'Rumble in the Rockies'. Some wins, some losses, nothing along the likes of the wild imaginations of going to the Rose Bowl on a regular basis and playing BCS bowl games.

    How a fan base imagines that their performance in the MWC somehow converts to instantaneous success in the PAC12 is beyond comprehension and that is what the several of us have been pointing out since day one.

    After two years in the PAC12 I would say that we're spot on.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 23, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    utah has far to many disadvantages to ever be more than a mid tier pac 12 program. They may have occasional, very occasional, years where they are in the top 4-5 teams in the conference, but most will be middle to bottom. They simply cannot overcome the built in disadvantages they carry. It's a shame but it is what it is.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    Utah will be okay. I still fully believe that Utah will be competitive in the PAC more years than not. But this program clearly has some more growing to do, and it won't happen overnight. I'm going to enjoy to process though.

    Go Utes!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2012 9:35 a.m.


    "What you need to keep in mind, is this team in its current form was built to win and compete against MWC teams. They were not built to compete with this level of competition year in and year out."

    A nice, selective rewriting of history, but that decidedly was not what Kyle and Utah fans were saying just a few short months ago. In fact, these blogs were inundated with Utah fans (and Utah coaches) predictions of Utah being the main challenger to USC for the PAC 12 South.

    Utah's defense was supposed to have been one of the best in the conference and fully capable of making up for whatever short-comings Utah's offense had.

    Obviously, none of those "Rosey" predictions ever came close to reality and Utah fans are now having to accept, however grudgingly, that the predictions of the non-crimson-glasses wearing fans was far more accurate and realistic - that Utah would, at best, be a middle-of-the-PAC team, but more likely, a PAC 12 bottom dweller, with only occassional break through years in which the Utes would finish in the upper half of the conference, but no conference championships.

  • GoldenGrizz86 West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    What you need to keep in mind, is this team in its current form was built to win and compete against MWC teams. They were not built to compete with this level of competition year in and year out. You have a 3 star quarterback throwing to 2 and 3 star receivers, being covered by 5 star DBs who will be drafted in rounds 1 and 2. What do you think is going to happen?

    The Utes need at least 3 more years of Pac 12 recruiting and then I think they'll be okay. They are not going to be permanent bottom feeders.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 23, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    In the old days, teams like Nebraska, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Penn State, etc, would win most games, and by big scores.

    It seems parity has caught up, and there are many good teams. Both BYU, and Utah may have better teams today then twenty years ago, but so have other schools.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Nov. 23, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    I wasn't expecting the Utes to come into the pac 12 and dominate but I was expecting them to be at least competitive. The top 2 or 3 of the pac 12 are leaps and bounds above the rest of the league. It will take a miracle season like 2004 or 2008 before the Utes are competitive in this league. I guess it show what the MWC really was. A league where one or two teams get a good season and make some national noise. It is going to be a long time before the bottom of the pac evens the playing field with the top teams. I won't even begin to talk about basketball....

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    The Buffs may only be 3 - 14, but they have a win over the 6 - 12 Utes. These two teams were invited simply because they needed 12 teams to have a PAC 12 Championship game every year. After inviting Colorado and having the BIG 12 refuse Larry's overatures, they needed to invite someone else and it happened to be Utah. Now they can take their place with Washington State and Arizona. The top tier teams are still wondering why these two bottom feeders were invited to share in the pie because they don't bring muct to the table, if anything at all. If Utah loses tomorrow it may well take them more than 3 seasons to accumulate 10 conference victories and it would take at least 4 seasons to break even at .500 against their new rival...Colorado. Of course if they win, then .500 has been reached but not 10 conference wins...that still requires 3 seasons at least.

    That's the PAC 10.2 for you.....(can we get a few thousand more PAC 12 Banners to hang in SLC this next season? I'm sure that would help.)