Moral consciousness is becoming more and more scarce

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  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2012 5:41 p.m.

    What values are most important in a home? Do we teach our children to be popular or do we teach them of their true worth? What is the real cost of "popularity"? What is paid? What is lost.

    What happens if someone gains the whole world but loses his soul?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Nov. 23, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    "Is it moral for a 21st century society that prizes respect for the rights of the individual and fairness to embrace Bronze Age mythology as the source of its guiding principles . . . " Re-read your post, your prejudices are poking through.

    You said that we like the clocks to move forward? I agree. But which way is forward? When Europeans got into slavery in a big way in the 1500's they felt that it was economic progress to bring order to the New World. When Southern legislatures created Jim Crow laws in the 1890's they probably felt that it was progress to create their view of an ordered, civilized society.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Nov. 23, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    @Blue: "We live in the real world, where our clocks run only in one direction, forward, and we like it that way." Absolutely. But which way is forward? I presume that when Europeans really got into slavery in a big way that they viewed economic progress as moving forward. When legislature in the South created Jim Crow laws in the 1890's did they believe that segregation was part of a civilized progress?

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 7:58 p.m.

    "We must turn back the clock and demand a moral society."

    I've just got to respond to this kind of chest thumping about morality.

    Turn back the clock? What, you miss the Dark Ages?

    Is it moral for a 21st century society that prizes respect for the rights of the individual and fairness to embrace Bronze Age mythology as the source of its guiding principles - even when there is zero objective evidence to support the moral utility of these myths, and abundant objective evidence to the contrary?

    I would argue that the answer is a resounding "no."

    Or do you seriously believe that the cruelty, misogyny and demonstrable nonsense that saturates the foundations of most world religions have anything useful to contribute to a sane and just society?

    I had a joy-filled Thanksgiving with my family today. We didn't pray, but we did share with each other the things in our lives for which we are most grateful. High on that list was the accelerating decline of religiosity in the civilized world.

    We live in the real world, where our clocks run only in one direction, forward, and we like it that way.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 22, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    "We must turn back the clock and demand a moral society."

    What does a "moral society" even mean? You seem to think that it existed in the past.

    I think we could easily agree on much. Murder and stealing are wrong.

    But, how about drinking coffee? How about golfing on Sunday?

    There are a lot of things that you JCS would find immoral, and I see nothing wrong with.

    Where to draw the line? Your line is totally unacceptable to me (as I am confident that mine is to you.)

    However, you want to "demand a moral society". You want me to live by your rules.

    As far as I am concerned, you can do what you want. I have no desire to impart my morals on you.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    It is realized that some of these ills I spoke about above still exist. But in this case it is not SANCTIONED by the government. It is viewed as so uncivilized that it is outlawed. Sex slavery exists certainly but the vast, vast majority abhor it so much that it is completely underground. Could we say that in the days of the Roman Empire where people were bought and sold like cattle? But there was a time when our own government allowed by law slavery and the slave trade. Our nation by law didn't allow women to vote. Sexual discrimination and harassment in the work place was rampant and women had no recourse. Are things perfect? Heavens NO!

    But we don't live in the world of Charles Dickens where children worked in the factories for pennies, where women were locked in a skyscrapers to work in textile factories and the building burns down killing hundreds of workers. We have laws that prevent that sort of thing and our society has changed for the better. And in many cases young people have taken the lead in making this progress happen in both action and attitude.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    Just because people have different morals than you, does not mean they are amoral or immoral.

    Parents who involve their children in beauty pageants and sports and such do not do it to take advantage of their children or exploit them - they do it so they can offer their children a better life or the path to a better life.

    (If anyone is exploiting the children it is those who give any notice to the pageants and the TV shows - including the producers of the shows who encourage the negative behaviors.)

    There are a great many behaviors that are moral, immoral, and amoral all at the same time - it depends on the perspectives of the actors and the observers. It can be argued that this letter is every bit as immoral as the negative behaviors it points out. But it is not my job to make that determination.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    Another sign of the times. The Apocalypse will occur any day now, just like the last 2,000 years....any day now.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Nov. 22, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    "We try to feed our homeless, we don't have Slavery, . . . and rampant sexism has decreased" We have homeless when before the 1980's we didn't have homeless and we still have slavery and a lot of it is sex slavery so rampant sexism has increased. There are paradoxes in our society about sexism. References to legitimiate rape are condemned but I read the week after the election that the costumes for some NBA cheerleaders are becoming skimpier. Maybe it was in that particular market, but women are increasingly objectified as sex objects and that is what this letter is objecting too.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    For someone who uses Charity as a middle name, there seems to be very little of it in his writings.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    I think we have made progress. We try to feed our homeless, we don't have Slavery, we have made efforts to integrate our schools, women have the vote and rampant sexism has decreased. Our young people are more tolerant, giving and civic minded then past generations. Sorry JCS, we have moved forward, just maybe not your direction...

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    C'mon, Elmary, these kids are learning grace. If you wait until 16 or even 12 you're too late.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 22, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    Let's salute JCS for, though still throwing out gratuitous insults, finding someone to dis OTHER than "liberals". In addition, he declined to call for changes to the Constitution. ON the other hand, it's still morning.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    This letter is absolutely correct. We live in an amoral society in which the majority of the public behaves with no more decorum or restraint than a bunch of excited rabbits on a Spring day.

    The primary cause of this disgusting degeneration of morals is the modern entertainment industry. Indeed, modern Hollywood portrays sex as a purely recreational activity that can and should be engaged in at any time with any person.

    As noted above, the secondary cause is the complete abdication of parental duties by younger parents. These so-called parents have failed to impose restraint or discipline, and as a result, the children are no different in morality than a pack of feral cats.

    We must turn back the clock and demand a moral society. We cannot afford to maintain the current course.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 8:08 a.m.

    We have access to more information, so it may appear there is less moral consciousness. But you will find what you look for. Seek after good things. Set the example. I see ample moral consciousness, and it gives me hope for my children.
    If I choose to find depravity and evil, I'm sure its right around the corner if I want to seek it out.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    I agree, the past two generations of parents have been less than stellar pushing their kids to sick levels in youth sports and beauty contests. And that is the parents that show some interests in their children as thousands don't. So I don't know which is worse.

    But don't fret, much of our youth is civic minded, more tolerant of others than the most recent generations ahead of them. Provo HS, for example, gathered around 40,000 cans and donated them to a food bank. If you look closely, much of our youth isn't lazy or stupid or other labels castigated by those of the older generation, many of them post here on a regular basis. Instead our youth are doing amazing things.

    Why I bring this up is that in many cases our children are leading the way in spite of the upbringing they receive. And it seems we live in extremes of hyper parenting overall neglect.

    And by the way, read the story on youth sports, it is a different side of the same coin perhaps...