Spirit of Thanksgiving: Freedom, liberty and the nation's collective well-being

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  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 24, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    To one old man 8:50 p.m. Nov. 22, 2012

    Your description of your activities also describes my husband and me (we are both in our 60s).

    You said:

    "But what passes for conservatism now is beyond sensibility. Instead, people who post as "conservatives" here spend a lot of words condemning others who disagree with them, often in seemingly hateful ways. Instead of honoring work and honesty, they rationalize the kind of treatment handed to workers by executives in places like Hostess Brands.

    Perhaps all those things are part of the new conservative values we hear about but no one seems able to define."

    I absoluely agree. That is why I am infinitely grateful that this country didn't have Romney inflicted on it - by his own words on several instances, he agrees with the attitude you described. For the most part (and yes there are exceptions) the 47% vilified by so many "conservatives" are honest, honorable, moral, hardworking people who for no fault of their own are not in better circumstances. For the most part (and yes there are exceptions) they do not deserve the condemnation they receive. And it's sad that they unjustly receive the condemnation.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 8:50 p.m.

    Actually, Clarissa, if you knew me I think you'd see that I'm really a very basically conservative person. I am very pro-life. I do believe in taxing citizens as lightly as possible and spending our money very cautiously and wisely.

    But I'm afraid that my kind of conservatism is almost dead. I'm one of the old fashioned ones who still believes in honesty and fair play. I believe that when someone gives his word, he is bound by it. I do believe in hard work. I've worked all my life beginning at about age twelve. I volunteer at several organizations. I donate as much as I possibly can to charities like Primary Children's Hospital and several others.

    But what passes for conservatism now is beyond sensibility. Instead, people who post as "conservatives" here spend a lot of words condemning others who disagree with them, often in seemingly hateful ways. Instead of honoring work and honesty, they rationalize the kind of treatment handed to workers by executives in places like Hostess Brands.

    Perhaps all those things are part of the new conservative values we hear about but no one seems able to define.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 6:33 p.m.

    re: Mike Richards 10:18 a.m. Nov. 22

    MR mentioning his parents and their 'attitude of gratitude' is a great mind set. Too many people IMO are far to self-absorbed and need split-second instant gratification

    Granted my raison d'etre & MO (sarcasm) is flawed but I'm only human. I am no better or worse than anyone and my goal is to do better today than I did yesterday.

    Happy Thansgiving all

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 5:10 p.m.

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    Even those who believe those principles have been distorted must acknowledge the basic framework that continues to guide all political subdivisions and that protects basic freedoms and rights.


    This statement bothers me; it seems to suggest that it is an extreme position to see distortion of founding principles in the way we have been persuaded to view the Constitution. With a truly great patriot I would agree that America has:

    "apostatized in various degrees from different Constitutional principles".. Ezra Taft Benson,In Conference Report October 1987.

    Sometimes the Constitution has been blatantly disregarded. The murder of Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum by an armed mob, and the failure of the government to either prevent, acknowledge its criminality, or punish it has been referenced thus:

    "innocent blood on the banner of liberty, and on the magna charta of the United States"...

    (Doctrine and Covenants 135: 7)

    What else is the "magna charta of the United States", if it is not the Constitution thereof?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    There is no longer any freedom and liberty. I've lost every freedom and liberty I've ever had since Nov 2008.

  • L White Springville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    Today is a day for giving thanks. Today is a day to look at the world through rose colored glasses. Today is the day to enjoy being with family and friends. Our dinner table will be surrounded with thirty people, some are family and some have no family. Today, we adopted them.

    Good people are good all the time. They don't ignore the hungry, the poor, the homeless just because some people think that government should handle those tasks. They open their hearts and their homes whenever their is a need and they don't count the dollars.

    I personally know one of the posters. He's beginning to get old. He walks with a cane or a walker. None of that stops him from helping others. I seen him work for hours without being paid and then slip a $100 bill in the purse of someone who was down and out. He could get medical help, but he doesn't want to abuse his insurance.

    I'm truly thankful for people like him who make a difference in the world. I hope there are many more like him who quietly go about doing good.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    Patriot is right when he writes: "This country was not created by cowards or by selfish "what I can get for free" type people."

    I just wonder if he is referring to people like the overpaid executives who drove Hostess Brands into failure while trying to force workers to accept pay cuts? (A story is that is not unique to Hostess, but has played out in countless other places in our nation.)

  • Clarissa Layton, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    I can see that 'one old man' appears to have a strong bias against conservatives. Any political party can have compassionate people in it. Notice that I didn't even use the words liberal or conservative. It appears that 'one old man' demonizes others himself. Well, I hope he has a happy Thanksgiving regardless of his opinions.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    No question I love this country's past however I can't feel the same way about the present or future of America. The great founders of this country would be ashamed of what America has fallen to especially with the re-election of a socialist president and the abandonment of many of our founding principles...freedom, small government, hard work and personal responsibility. JFK said at his inauguration "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country". What a great statement from a great leader!! Too bad that statement has now been changed and re-phrased by a much lesser Obama to say "ask not what you can do for your country but what your government can give you for free".

    The future of this country is bleak especially if the people continue to follow socialism and atheism and abandon the principles of the constitution and capitalism that made us great.

    This country was not created by cowards or by selfish "what I can get for free" type people. I pray for America to succeed - but NOT for Barack Obama to succeed. The two are opposites.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    Miss Teaching -- I suggest you go back and read again what I wrote. I don't want us to go off the "fiscal cliff," but at the same time, I do believe that compassion is missing in too many people who fall into the "conservative" side of our political mess.

    We need to work together in a spirit of cooperation -- and compassion -- but the current mean-spirited rants of a few are preventing that from happening.

    There are some Americans -- but very few, really -- who may actually qualify as parasites. But for people to vilify all others for selfish reasons is simply wrong.

    Keep smiling and be safe.

  • MissTeaching Layton, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    How sad that 'one old man' believes that all people who are not in the 47% believe just unkind things about those people. As a person with Multiple Sclerosis, I am happy that we have such programs for people who truly need them. I was able to teach for 25 years with the disease, but it was extremely difficult. I know that God blessed me to do so. I do believe that if a person does truly need help that they should, if possible, work in some manner. There are so many volunteer activities. Why not help out at their local schools? They certainly need it. Now, I know that everyone can't do that particular activity, but I spend as much time as I have energy to help with children who are struggling with reading, volunteering to help people with their businesses, and other opportunities. I that God that I can do these things. People in this country to help each other, if possible, and try not to rely on the government so much before we eventually go off the 'fiscal cliff.'

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 22, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    After reading so many hateful and downright vicious comments here recently, I wonder how many of those writing the comments know what "Thankful" means?

    I would never wish ill upon another person, but think that if God were to slap some of them with a sudden calamity -- an illness for which an insurance company refuses to pay, a terrible accident that puts a loved one at death's door with not enough money to pay for treatment or long term disability, the loss of a once secure job along with its benefits and promised retirement, or any of thousands of other terrible things that have happened to so many people THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN -- we would suddenly see some very humble people apologizing to those they demonize.

    Perhaps, if those who post hateful things here about "parasites," could suddenly be forced by circumstance to become "parasites" themselves, their harsh lesson could benefit all of us if they suddenly became one of the hated 47%.

    I'm sure regular readers of DN will recognize by their screen names at least some of those to whom I refer here.

    Now, let's give thanks before we go shopping.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    As a former farmer, I watched as my parents started each day thanking God for the opportunity to work and then asked him to bless the efforts of their work, to send enough rain and enough sunshine and not too much wind so that the crops and the animals could grow. Each evening they spent twice as much time thanking God for the blessings they had received that day.

    They had the "attitude of gratitude". They knew that they were powerless to put life into a single blade of grass just as they knew that our herd of cattle would need to eat millions of blades of grass every day. They were not so proud or so arrogant that they supposed that they had created anything on their own.

    One day a year is not too much to give thanks to the giver of life and to appreciate his confidence in each of us that we will leave the world a better place than we found it.

    With his help, we will not let him down.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 22, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    Fact: It doesn't take a belief in God to have a thankful heart. It doesn't require belief in a higher power to understand that hard work and effort only go so far. Atheists, agnostics, and those who simply don't care one way or the other are just as likey to have a thankful heart on this day. Thankfullness is a wonerful and healing quality, it just doesn't require religious belief..it only requires humility.