Brad Rock: The only real reasons for BYU football to rejoin the Mountain West Conference

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  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Brad: I can't picture BYU showing up, hat in hand, asking for readmission to a mid-major conference any more than America asking to rejoin the British Empire.

    Me: Now we get to the real issue and the ONLY rational thing you have said. Translation: it is about pride and ego…simple as that. BYU would rather shoot itself in the foot and cut off the arms of its sports and BB program before we return to ANY new MWC.

    Brad: At this point — and every other point until it's a done deal — this is all speculation.

    Me: Thank goodness, because if this is really the line of thinking with the athletic program in Provo and not just the ramblings of a journalist, then they all need to be replaced.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Brad: BYU would have little reason to return to the Mountain West.

    Me: Because competing in the best football conference outside the aq bid conferences and the second best BB conference in the nation is a bad thing? While at the same time keeping the lion’s share of your TV revenue? Ok, Brad. I guess scheduling New Mexico State, Idaho State and getting our fannies kicked at Camp Randall and South Bend next year is much better option?

    Brad: Been there, abandoned that.

    Me: Correction, been there, and prematurely abandoned that

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Brad: On the bright side, a return for BYU could mean a return to playing games in Hawaii and San Diego. Football road trips don't get any better than that. Balmy breezes, lapping waves, warm sun ...

    Me: Now you are just being delusional and saying nothing about competing annually against 4 football teams and 4 bb teams on an annual basis that are better than the state of BYU’s current programs. If the Y wants to join a powerconference so badly, then they first need to PROVE they are better than the likes of BSU, SDSU, SJSU, and USU, because right now we are not better than any of those programs, in both football and BB.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    Brad: The thinking is that as long as both the Big East and MWC have the same (minor) access to the national playoffs, why travel halfway to France to compete?

    Me: Wrong and this is irrational thinking, Brad. The CORRECT line of thinking is that the MWC WITHOUT BYU had just as many teams in the top 25 this year as the PAC. The CORRECT line of thinking is that the MWC is already now the second or third best conference in the nation for basketball. The CORRECT line of thinking is that the MWC is shaping to be the ONLY relevant conference in the group of 5 and, 3 years from now, will be the last of the aq bid conferences.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    Brad: After a relatively quiet autumn, an alarm sounded on Monday when it was reported that Maryland and Rutgers were moving to the Big Ten. Looks like more realignment. Meanwhile, the battered Big East has been relegated to one of five conferences that will vie for a single-access bowl slot. According to an ESPN story, San Diego State, Boise State and BYU have talked with the Mountain West about a reunion, since that league is also in the "Group of Five" conferences.

    Me: Exactly, and the alignment is going EAST not WEST. Indeed, both BSU an SDSU are ABOVE BYU on every aq bid conference short list. It is wishful thinking that more realignment will bring an invite for the Y if it already hasn’t brought one for BSU, SDSU, SMU, or Houston yet. Besides, the “group of five” is just lingo for the “best team from the best conference of the group of five,” and that conference is solidly the MWC at this point.

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Brad: How much could that have changed in two seasons since BYU became an independent?
    Me: Considering that the MWC had just as many ranked teams this year as the PAC – and four teams ranked higher than the Y…a lot has changed.
    Brad: BYU gets four times as much money, and at least that much more exposure from its contract with ESPN.
    Me: Correction…DID get four times the money and exposure. In the new MWC, BYU would be having their cake and eating it too as far as both money and exposure are concerned. Plus, they would have the stability of a good conference.
    Brad: Tough as life is as an independent, rejoining the MWC isn't a measurable upgrade.
    Me: Because a sure-fire losing season next year is an upgrade as an independent? Come on...have you looked at the 2013 schedule?

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    This is crazy talk, Brad. I seriously think most of the Y fans out there have gone nuts.
    Brad: I can think of just two reasons why BYU should consider going back to the Mountain West Conference: Hawaii and San Diego.
    Me: Really, because BSU and a top 16 USU program or a top 22 SJSU is worthless as opponents? Because the MWC had just as many teams in the top 25 as the PAC this year?
    Brad: Otherwise, they should treat their old league like a pair of high school pants: something they outgrew.
    Me: But outgrowing your old pants isn’t exactly a good thing, especially if it means you have gotten lazy.
    Brad: The impetus behind leaving the MWC was money and exposure.
    Me: And...taking a shot at getting into a aq bid conference, which invite is not coming.

  • iNKSpot Wilsonville, OR
    Nov. 22, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    BYU could not really be blamed for not going back to the Mountain West Conference after the short shrift they got from the Mountain West Sports Network during their last season in the MWC. The mtn. did previews of all new recruits except BYU's and they played post-season football reruns instead of live BYU basketball, including one game against a nationally ranked team.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 8:17 p.m.


    I agree with you that I am being pathetic for focusing on Utah being in a bowl game if they played more creampuffs. I also think it's pathetic BYU played so many creampuffs on their schedule, only to see some of their fans gloat about their Mickey Mousse bowl game they have. Why mock Utah when you kust lost to San Jose State?

    Read all of my posts. I often defend my Utes from attackers, but NEVER demean BYU or make fun of them like so many of you do towards Utah. It's these same posters that are offended by my opinions. i represent the BYU way more than you do.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 7:58 p.m.

    Make that third and fourth paragraph that is.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 7:50 p.m.

    @ Sports Fan

    Your second and third paragraphs are correct. That is reality.

    I am not jealous though (paragraph four). I just am defending the Utes from unfair criticism. I respect BYU and certainly don't have jealousy wrapped into their program. Read my comments on your BYU sections. I often give compliments where I see them.

    My beef has been with the bottom four on BYU's schedule, and some Cougar fans saying Utah could lose one of those games. NO WAY! Do you think Utah would lose to Idaho, Weber State, Hawaii, and New Mexico State? If you haven't already, look at those teams schedules and records. Honestly, any MWC team would cream these guys. Their only wins were against teams that are lucky to have football programs. Those four teams have 5 wins total with a WAC and Big Sky schedule. Hopefully Utah will have that same total (five wins) on their own with a PAC 12 schedule, if they beat Colorado that is. If Utah loses to the Buffs then I will be embarrassed, and you can gloat in Utah's sufferings. You know, the Christian way.

  • Aggie Steve Draper, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 7:16 p.m.

    The problem with BYU has always been an ego problem and that will never change. Pride cometh before the fall.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 4:42 p.m.


    You just don't get it do you?

    You haven't proven ANYTHING will all of your schedule comparisons and weak analysis based on nothing but your own biased opinion of what would have happened IF...

    The ONLY thing the Utes have proven this year is that they aren't competitive in the PAC 12 and they aren't good enough to qualify for a bowl playing a PAC 12 schedule.

    BYU and Utah State will be bowling.
    Utah will not.

    Cry us a river, and then stop your jealous whining!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    @Truth machine

    I do my research every time. We may have different views But my opinions are not just to justify Utah. I admit when Utah is on the short end. I just get tired of BYU fans saying Utah only finds joy in BYU's failures when these posts show the same attitudes on your end.

    California is bad. You could argue GT is better. My main beef is with any BYU fan who thinks that Utah could lose to Idaho, New Mexico State, Weber State, and Hawaii. AGAIN look at these teams and their schedules and records. BYU couldn't have played any easier teams in the country.

    Bottom line, regardless of BYU's tough opponents (and they have them/storied programs), they still have 4 penciled in wins. That is the difference in Utah going bowling or not. Utah has one penciled in win and that was Northern Colorado. The other Colorado (Buffs) should be an easy win (like Washington State) but an upset there is always possible.

    With the amount of patsies between Utah and BYU, are you telling me Utah wouldn't be bowling with the reverse schedule? Don't be biased.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    Utah and BYU would have identical records with the same schedule this year. Utah has lost to many teams they shouldn't in Whitt's tenure. But UNLV, Wyoming and Colorado, as embarrasing as those losses were, are still teams who are far superior to Idaho, Idaho State, Weber State, and New Mexico State.

    BYU's 4 weakest teams played this year are 5-37 against the WAC and BIG Sky. Utah and BYU both beat these teams every time regardless of who is the QB or anything else. Utah beat BYU head to head (AGAIN) and would be bowling with BYU's schedule. It's that simple. To say otherwise is just not realistic.

    Is it possible Utah and BYU could lose to the bottom 4 on the Cougars schedule? Yes. Is it reality? No. BYU could lose to New Mexico State, BUT they won't. I could win the lottery, but I won't (I don't gamble anyway) and for good reason. Gamblers never win.

    Look at Weber State, Idaho, New Mexico State, and Hawaii's web sites. Their records and opponents are so bad that Bingham high school might win 1 out of 5 against these colleges.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 3:34 p.m.


    Maybe this makes more sense to those threatened by my statements of record swapping with schedule. Look at the bottom 5 opponents in Utah and BYU's schedule.

    BYU's bottom five:

    New Mexico State
    Weber State
    Washington State

    Utah's bottom five:

    Northern Colorado
    Washington State

    Get it finally? There is no way anyone reasonable can dispute the bottom five. Look at both schedules. BYU is in Utah's bottom five. Who else would be there? Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, UCLA, USC and Oregon State have better records and schedules than BYU. On the flip side, there is no way you could put Utah is BYU's bottom five. Utah beat Washington State (like BYU did). Then you have the 4 patsies listed over and over.

    Utah, as bad as they are, would NOT lose to Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho, and New Mexico State. Those 4 teams are 5-37 against a WAC and Big Sky schedule. Hawaii's only win was against Lamar (Who?). Idaho's only win was against New Mexico State. New Mexico State's only win was against Sacramento State. And Weber State's only win was against Southern Utah. This is reality.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 3:05 p.m.


    "Utah beat a bad California team, but Georgia Tech is no better."

    Do a little research instead of just spouting off.

    California(3-9) just fired their coach after finishing the season on a 5-game losing streak.

    Georgia Tech(6-5) will be playing Florida State in the ACC championship game.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 21, 2012 2:54 p.m.


    You obviously don't understand the concept of "common opponents".

    BYU and Utah State will be bowling this year. Utah will not.

    Spin away if that helps you sleep at night, but nobody besides jealous Utah fans cares.

    Bottom Line: The "mighty" Utes, who only a few short months ago were beating their chests about being able to compete with anybody in the PAC 12, are now whining that they too would be bowling if only they had played enough creampuffs.


  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 2:05 p.m.


    Wrong again with common opponents.

    Yes Utah was 0-2 vs. Oregon State and USU and BYU was 1-1 there. But those are not the only common opponents. BYU and Utah played each other. Who won that one. And both blew out Washington State. Common opponents = 2-2 for Utah and BYU. Does head to head ever carry weight for the BYU fan who uses inductive logic to justify them being superior.

    Bottom line, BYU and Utah are both down. Why talk smack on Utah when the only difference in record is the schedule. I am not talking about the good teams BYU played. Don't forget all those games were losses. Utah lost to their solid opponents as well. Neither school beat anybody of consequence except Utah beat BYU and BYU beat USU. I am not sure that is all that impressive either way. USU is having a great year. But they would have more than two losses with BYU or Utah's schedule.

    Who did BYU beat? Outside of USU, Georgia Tech is the only other win outside the patsies. Utah beat a bad California team, but Georgia Tech is no better.

  • 2Cents Los Angeles, CA
    Nov. 21, 2012 1:49 p.m.

    This, or replace Fresno St. and Nv with SMU and Houston as Fresno St. stabbed BYU in the back a couple of years ago and the ability to play in Texas every year and possibly get a bigger tv contract make it more viable.

    The ability to play 3-4 name brand out of conference teams each year, play for a conference championship and then in the Cotton, Fiesta, Peach, etc bowls every year, and if lightning strikes in a bottle end up in the playoffs is a no-brainer vs independent.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 21, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    It makes you wonder who Mark Schlabach's "sources" were (the guy who broke the "story"), now that San Diego State and Boise State have both denied having any recent contact with the MWC, and BYU's only statement concerning the rumor was to characterize it as "speculation", which BYU has always refused to comment on.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Boise State
    Utah State
    Air Force
    San Diego State
    New Mexico
    Fresno State

    Would be a good conference for both football and basketball.

    It would be especially intriguing for BYU, if the new conference could sign a contract with ESPN that would allow BYU to retain television rights to home games not televised by ESPN, and to allow BYUtv to rebroadcast BYU games televised by ESPN.

    Other than that specific scenario, BYU is better off remaining an Independent, playing Boise State and Utah State every year, and scheduling a couple of those other teams home-and-home every year.


    Notre Dame is already voicing concerns about the long-term stability of the ACC. The ACC better act quickly to stabilize their conference, or we could see the ACC ripped apart just like the Big East was - the SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten are already casting ravenous eyes on the ACC as the next target to decimate.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    We are to assume that what ESPN said is actually true. According to official sources at SDSU, they have had no talks with the MWC. If anything is to be assumed, it is that BYU hasn't talked with the MWC except to say, "Don;t call us, we'll call you-not!"

  • BSU BRONCO!! Rigby, ID
    Nov. 21, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    Take some No doz for the San Jose state game? Didnt SanJose just beat BYU?

    I would like to see BYU and BSU in the same conferance. It would become a great rilvary. However I wish it wasnt between the Mountain West or Big East conferance. Maybe these 2 schools could break out on their own and start a new conferance. If BYU and BSU were to do that others would surley follow.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 21, 2012 10:02 a.m.


    Are you seriously arguing with well-known Utah troll, ETB, about the validity of another one of his random posts?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    For BYU football, it's either put up or shut up.

    I'd rather see BYU put up (schedule tough opponents as an independent and learn to win those games) than shut up (fade into a fetal position in the MWC and pretend to be good).

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    "With all our exposure and $4,000,000 to $6,000,000 per game payout from ESPN, other leagues should ask to join us."

    Ernie my dear boy, your comment about byu receiving money from espn is exactly why byu is currently a team without a league. They want to keep all of the money from the world wide leader and do not intend to share with any member of a conference should they be invited.

    So, while you want other conferences to come courting, unless they learn "to share and play well with others", it wont' happen anytime soon.
    Oh, and that Sunday play thing might have a bearing on an invitation, as well.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    Why would BYU want to hurt its SOS by rejoining a subpar conference?

    Do these teams put the fear of losing into you:

    Air Force
    Boise St
    Colorado St
    Fresno St
    New Mexico
    San Diego St
    San Jose St
    Utah St

    How 'bout these teams (scheduled next two years):

    Utah (yup)
    Boise State (still haven't beat'em)
    Georgia Tech
    Notre Dame

    Independence is MUCH better than the MWC, even with Boise St back in it. We get them every year for awhile, anyway. Same with Hawaii & Utah St.

    MOST IMPORTANTLY, it'd take the same number of wins/losses in a year to make a big-time bowl game with either scenario, with the higher independence-scheduled SOS doing a better job of elevating BYU's ranking.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    Well said, Brad!

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    I guess the news coverage in Fillmore is different than what we get along the Wasatch Front. I must have missed the reports listing all of the conferences wanting byu to join, but the cougs decided to remain independent.

  • Tequila Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    Hey Brad, after last Saturday, tell us again how boring San Jose is! And Buffet music is for dreamers and wanta bes not doers, so yeah that would be the perfect music. However BYU is in about as good a situation as they could possibly be in until such time as a conference of religious schools could be established. That could be the number one conference in the country.
    BYU should go to work trying to make that happen. They darned sure wouldn,t have a problem with finding competition in that conference. Do a series of articles and get it some exposure.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 8:15 a.m.

    Cowboy Dude

    The flaw in your logic is BYU is already scheduled to play Boise State for the next 10 years, and BYU could easily add Air Force and San Diego State to its future schedule without ever having to play another game in Laramie.

    btw, BYU's November schedule in 2013 includes Wisconsin and Notre Dame.

    Regardless of whether BYU is in the MWC or Independent, BYU would likely still have to run the table or at worst finish with 1 loss to another very good team, in order to finish as the best of the "other 5".

    If the only advantage to rejoining the MWC is a slightly better chance of getting into one of the "bcs access" bowls, then there's really no reason to sacrifice ESPN and BYUtv and more television revenue, to be stuck with whatever lousy television contract Craig Thompson has agreed to since BYU left the MWC.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    With all our exposure and $4,000,000 to $6,000,000 per game payout from ESPN, other leagues should ask to join us.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 8:04 a.m.


    BYU and Utah played two common foes this season, Utah State and Oregon State.

    BYU finished 1-1 against them.
    Utah finished 0-2 against them.

    Best case scenario for Utah playing BYU's schedule would have been a 6-6 finish.
    Most likely scenario, with Kyle's propensity for dropping games he should have won, would have been 5-7, with a loss to a team like Hawaii.



    "Would you rather watch the Y play Arizona or Idaho at home? USC or Weber State?"

    I would rather watch BYU play Texas rather than UCLA at home. Boise State rather than Oregon State. Georgia Tech vs Arizona State would be a toss up. Virginia rather than Colorado or Weber State. And Utah rather than Washington.

    Idaho, Idaho State, Weber State and New Mexico State don't appear on ANY future BYU schedules so you can drop those irrelevant comparisons. Instead you can substitue Notre Dame and Wisconsin, for now, with many other similar teams to be added to future BYU schedules.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Brad Rock Des News "boredom: New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State and San Jose State in the middle of BYU's schedule? Please, get me some No Doz and a Mountain Dew."

    Really? That is worse than our current November? Two other reasons to re-join the MWC...1. It's fun to fight for conference position even if you can't go undefeated. 2. Boise State

    If the MWC gets back San Diego State and Boise State, I say get BYU too.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2012 3:52 a.m.

    @MUSSing with U

    You are right in the first paragraph. From there, slow down.

    Yes, Utah and Whittingham have lost to the teams you mentioned above. That has long been an issue for me. But even Wyoming, CSU and UNLV who are traditionally bad, still are far superior to Idaho, Idaho State, Weber State, and New Mexico State. Have you looked at these teams sites and schedules?

    Idaho is 1-10 with a laughable schedule . They lost to Eastern Washington and Texas-San Antonio, and Texas State beat them 38-7. Moving on, New Mexico State is 1-9 with the same soft schedule. Hawaii is 1-9. Their only win was against Lamar (didn't know they had a football team). Weber State is 2-9 with losses to McNeese State, Eastern Washington, UC Davis, Cal Poly, Sacramento State, and Northern Colorado (who Utah beat 41-0). Idaho State (2011 opponent) is 1-10. Their only win came against Black Hills State. Who?

    Overall, BYU's four patsies have a combined record of 5-37, and that is with a Big Sky and WAC schedule. If you and Pac Man think Utah could lose these games you lose all credibility.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:32 p.m.

    Makes no sense for BYU to consider the MWC. Less exposure, less money, more Laramie, more Fort Collins, etc. Isn't Craig Thompson still running the MWC show? Enough said.

    I've been impressed with the future scheduling Holmoe has lined up, so I give credit where credit is due. I think a lot of people overreacted about the WAC teams on the schedule in the first two years of the independent schedule, not understanding how difficult it is to build a schedule on short notice. BYU's schedules for the next couple of years are full of quality programs.

    Still wish the Utes and Cougs were in the PAC-12, but returning to the MWC is not the answer for BYU in my opinion.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:12 p.m.

    Two comments. Is there really a Chris B? I believe he is a DN ploy to generate comments. Why, because he continually tries to trash BYU and build up Utah but fails so miserably with his predictions.

    Comment 2. There is no MWC anymore, at least as we knew it. There is a a group of leftovers from previous versions of the old MWC and WAC who have married with very little fanfare and very little TV money. Perhaps a good basketball conference will emerge from this marriage. Maybe even as good as the old MWC with exciting battles between SDS, UNLV, NM and BYU on the hardwoods.

    If a new football conference could emerge with the likes of Boise State, BYU, LVille, Cincy, and others, that would be interesting.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    Someone got it wrong:

    BYU will be IN a bowl game this year!

    Utes are definitely OUT. No bowl game for all their big talk and no show!

    So much for the bottom of the PAC 12. That's where the U will always be. Get used to it~

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 20, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    Old ball coach

    "First off I am not hating on the cougars, so back off paranoid Cougar fan."

    Who do you think you're kidding?

    Hating on BYU is exactly what you're doing with your doomsday predictions of failure before the first kickoff next season. It's what Utah fans love to do. Predict undefeated, Rose Bowl winning seasons for Utah every year, and season-ending losses for BYU in September every year.

    It may help you sleep at night thinking Utah is still relevant after suffering an early season loss to USC every year, but the truth is, the Utes haven't been anymore relevant in the PAC 12 than BYU has been as an Independent. In fact, it could be easily argued that with no Top 25 finishes and no bowl game this season, Utah has been significantly less relevant than BYU that last two years.

    btw, have you actually looked at the television mess CT has created for the MWC.

    BYU's partnership with ESPN and BYUtv is head and shoulders better than anything the MWC could offer, both in nationwide coverage and in revenue.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 20, 2012 10:31 p.m.


    Utah, and more especially Whittingham, has a history of losing to teams the Utes have no business losing to - see New Mexico, Colorado State, Wyoming - but even uglier, 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado.

    To say that Utah is capable of losing to ANYBODY is not just speculation, it's a proven FACT!

    You're the one who claimed that if Utah and BYU had switched schedules, that the final records would also have been reversed, yet when you were called to task to prove your pure speculation, you whine that none of us have any proof when "speculating". Then, you launch into a fresh diatribe expecting us to still accept carte blanche that Utah would have finished with the same record as BYU IF Utah had played BYU's schedule.

    Sorry, but the only thing you've really proven is that Utah is no longer good enough to qualify for a bowl even with a Big Sky, a WAC, an irrelevant independent, and a couple of 10-loss PAC 12 teams built into the schedule.

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 10:16 p.m.

    Deep blue

    First off I am not hating on the cougars, so back off paranoid Cougar fan....

    Looking at your schedule next year, your season will be over in the second week of the year. Texas beats you in Provo, and BYU becomes irrelevant for the rest of the year. Because the best you can do is finish the season in San Diego....even if you win 9 games after, upset Wisconsin and the Irish you still end up in San Diego.

    If your fan base is happy watching games on Friday nights at 8pm, competing with high school football, or playing meaningless games in late November with 8pm starts in 25 degree weather. That's fine by me.

    I am just saying , stay independent and watch Fresno, Nevada, and San Jose get to places you will only dream Pasadena, Dallas, or Phoenix.....then ask yourself was BYUTV worth it when your 6-6 looking up at the other schools.

    By the way....enjoy Las Cruces this weekend!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    @Pac man

    Washington State is bad. Both Utah and BYU spanked them. Oregon State was another common opponent. Both lost by the same margin (one a shoot out, the other a defensive game). Other common opponents; BYU beat USU (Utah did not). But that is evened out if not more by Utah when they beat BYU head to head. All three instate games were decided by a fraction anyway. Utah beat a bad Cal team. BYU beat a bad Georgia Tech team. The comparisons all tell me that these two (Utah and BYU are bad and mostly equal). Utah's weakest opponents are Northern Colorado and Colorado. Those two are bottom of the barrel. BYU has not two, but four of those (Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho, and New Mexico. You say I have no proof Utah would beat those teams. Of course not. It's not proven unless on the field. But if you think Utah loses any of those games (the difference between 5-7 and 7-5), then you are off. Losing to Colorado last year is not the same thing as Idaho dude.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:48 p.m.

    @PAC man

    You say "I have no proof". None of us do when dealing with speculations on these posts. I am dealing with was reality. You lack proof for your inductions as well.

    Use common sense. To say that because Utah lost to Colorado last year that "they could lose to anybody on BYU's schedule" is extreme. Utah and BYU would beat Colorado 8 times out of 10 in my opinion. But as bad as Colorado is, they are not Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho or New Mexico State. Realistically, Utah and BYU beat those teams every time.

    "Utah has already proven that they aren't good enough to beat Utah State". What? They lost to USU in overtime in Logan (first time in 15 years). USU beat BYU two years ago and BYU barely beat them at home the last two times. As for this year, Utah lost in overtime and BYU beat USU at home 6-3 (9th inning). Does that make BYU better? Utah beat BYU head to head.

    I never said Utah would beat the teams BYU lost to. I said they would beat the teams BYU beat. Exception, Utah beat BYU and BYU beat USU.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:36 p.m.


    Would you rather watch the Y play Arizona or Idaho at home? USC or Weber State? I could go on but you get the point I hope. Playing an entire season of big time opponents at home is light years ahead of playing cup cakes like Idaho and Idaho State - win or lose. I would a thousand time rather watch my team lose a competitive and close game to a USC at home than blow out a Idaho. Before going independent - the Y used to have at least 2 great home games such as Florida State or Texas A M. No more. As far as the bowl games go... the Armed Forces Bowl is bottom of the barrel. Even the Vegas Bowl was a big step up. Being content with mediocrity is no fun and to be honest the U vs Y game will never be the same going forward unless the Y gets into the Big12 someday.

    Nov. 20, 2012 9:12 p.m.

    I would love to throw out some insults about the Y joining the MWC but frankly don't believe there is any truth to the story. Sure there is a report that the MWC has interest in BYU but have a hard time thinking the Y would go down that road. I will save up all the trash talk until it actually happens. I think Rock did a good job putting the correct spin on this rumor.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:05 p.m.

    @Y ask Y - "But now, who knows who will be on BYU's schedule, much less in enough advance to be able to schedule trips like we used to do?"

    BYU's schedule for 2013 is announced; only one game remaining. Start your planning. P.S. Virginia, Indiana, Texas, etc. are more interesting places to visit than the Super 8 in Laramie. Next years schedule is exactly what I hoped indepence would bring. Now it's time to start winning.

    08/31/13 at Virginia Cavaliers
    Scott Stadium, Charlottesville, VA

    09/07/13 Texas Longhorns
    LaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo, UT

    09/21/13 Utah Utes
    LaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo, UT

    10/04/13 at Utah State Aggies
    Romney Stadium, Logan, UT

    10/12/13 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
    LaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo, UT

    10/19/13 at Houston Cougars
    Site TBA, Houston, TX

    10/26/13 Boise State Broncos
    LaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo, UT

    11/09/13 at Wisconsin Badgers
    Camp Randall Stadium, Madison, WI

    11/16/13 Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders
    LaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo, UT

    11/23/13 at Notre Dame Fighting Irish
    Notre Dame Stadium, Notre Dame, IN

    12/07/13 at Hawaii Warriors
    Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, HI

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    If it goes to four 16 team super conferences BYU will get invited to the b10, b12 or pac

  • VAggie Bristow, United States
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    When you lose to San Jose, who will be in the MWC next year, I guess it's convenient to think you're better than the MWC.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 7:55 p.m.

    These "what if" articles are great. They allow fans to think about future years and to be hopeful that glory days could return under the right circumstance. We don't have to focus on the present failures and embarrassing results of the current regime.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 7:35 p.m.

    Don't go back to the MWC. I'd miss all those 8:40 p.m. kickoffs!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 6:29 p.m.

    I like independence. In the WAC you knew that BYU would beat Wyo, CSU, UNM, UNLV, SDSU, and AFA every year, usually by blowouts. Those were not good games and did not help BYU get respect, even with very good seasons.

    I traveled to Ole Miss last year. Great fun. Woud have gone to ND this year but had a conflict.

    I also like the WCC for hoops. Plenty challenging for the Cougs and I can get to all SoCal games with ease.

    What's not to like?

    Nov. 20, 2012 6:08 p.m.

    Y ask Y: It's really not that difficult to plan trips in June for the coming Fall. High school kids also like the idea of playing other national recruits on ESPN. I, for one, was able to plan a trip to Atlanta in October (planned it that week) and took my kids to watch BYU beat Georgia Tech. I wouldn't mind seeing BYU in the Big 12 but until then the Independent thing isn't all bad.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 6:07 p.m.


    "BYU will finish 7-5 and Utah 5-7. The difference in those records would be the opposite if schedules were reversed."

    Frankly, you have no proof that would be the case. A team that lost to Colorado last season, could easily lose to anybody on BYU's schedule this season, and Utah has already proven that they aren't good enough to beat Utah State, which makes your claim that Utah could have beaten Boise State, Oregon State (oops, we know you couldn't beat them), Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, and San Jose State highly suspect. Best case scenario is Utah would have finished 6-6 with BYU's schedule, and it's highly likely, given Utah's penchant for losing games to much inferior teams, that the Utes would have suffered another unexpected loss, leaving the Utes at 5-7, exactly where they're expected to finish IF they manage to get past the Buffs.

    Final rankings tell me that, overall, Bronco has been more successful during the last 8 years, than Kyle - three Top 15 finishes for Bronco, versus only one for Kyle; five Top 25 finishes for Bronco, versus only three for Kyle.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:51 p.m.

    @ 54-10

    "They'll stay independent where they would have to compete one"

    You obviously haven't looked at BYU's 2013 schedule.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    I hope BYU can get into a major conference. It will make recruiting tougher for the red and blue, but it would show BYU that losing seasons would be relatively normal as well. Despite the tough opponents, BYU had four easy wins, which without them, BYU would have the same losing record as Utah.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:20 p.m.


    You don't like sound like "too smart for you" or anyone when BYU fans do the same bashing and are every bit as weak as Utah is this year. Records are not comparable with different schedules. In the years from 2005 t0 2010 when Utah and BYU played comparable schedules, Utah and Whittingham finished with one more win overall in that span.

    One win tells me that basically the teams are even except Utah beating BYU head to head more regularly. Since 2010 though, Bronco and BYU have gained 3 wins on Utah in the overall record. So Bronco and BYU are up in the overall record since Bronco and Kyle took over in 2005. that said, the difference there is that since 2010, BYU has played more automatic wins than Utah has despite some of the PAC 12 teams being below average. Remember Utah has beaten BYU head to head in that span and before as well. Utah has won 8 out of 11 and 13 out of 20 against the Cougars. That is the greatest barometer of all is it not BYU fans?

  • The A Game Sandy, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:13 p.m.

    San Jose is "boring?" You mean the same San Jose who just gave BYU the smackdown on Saturday?

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    Back when I was a BYU Football season ticket holder, and BYU was part of a Conference, I used to travel to as many away games as I could. It wasn't too difficult. I knew well in advance where they were playing because of the regular conference schedules, and it was easy to plan ahead for the trips. I enjoyed the conference competition, and BYU typically leading the conference, and receiving Conference honors. Young high school athletes I associated with also knew if they played for a team in the Conference, they would likely play against other athletes they played with and against in high school. There was a camaraderie there, and a pride in the Conference and the relationships it created.

    But now, who knows who will be on BYU's schedule, much less in enough advance to be able to schedule trips like we used to do? There are no Conference honors to be proud of. There are few relationships maintained and developed.

    Yes, BYU gets lots more money and "exposure" (although the "exposure" SDSU gave them was of the wrong variety), but I'm not convinced it was worth it.

    Get back into a Conference, Cougars.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:08 p.m.


    You wrote;

    "Chrissy B

    U should worry more about that bunch of misfits on the hill,

    especially when

    1) BYU 2012 bowl - IN
    2) Utah 2012 bowl - OUT"

    That is just silly. BYU will finish 7-5 and Utah 5-7. The difference in those records would be the opposite if schedules were reversed. BYU played some marquee teams as did Utah, and they lost those games. The wins from both sides came against weak teams. That is except Utah beating BYU and BYU beating Utah State. That is a triangle. Both Utah and BYU beat Washington State easy. Other than the common opponent (WSU), Utah has Northern Colorado and Colorado on their schedule (two awful teams). But BYU has four of those in Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho, and New Mexico State. Their is the difference in one school going bowling at 7-5 and the other missing out at 5-7.

    If BYU stays independent and somehow manages to schedule eight tough games, all they have to do is go 2-6 in those and finish 6-6 with four easy wins against BIG SKY and WAC teams. Trash talk when your team is bad is weak.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:00 p.m.

    @ the duce

    Do you think Norte Dame fell on hard times for a few years? Or Michigan or Ohio State? What about Florida or USC? Did they lose their fan base because of a few bad years? BYU will easily regain any fan losses as soon as they start winning again, which could easily be as soon as next season. One bad season does not break a program, even though you may think it should. If you want another example, look at once-proud and dominate Georgia. Or Auburn. BYU's brand may not have the luster right now that it had in former years, but the potential is there and once the victories start to roll again, look out. Many schools that have storied and national programs would want to schedule them.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 4:50 p.m.


    The MTN no longer exists. It went dark over the summer.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Nov. 20, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    It is only a matter of time before BYU gets into a major conferance as those conferances will continue to build their empires and BYU, although not one of the big boys on the block, is certainly more appealing than most of what is left.

    Big 12 and ACC are in a world of hurt right now and Lousiville is likely headed to the ACC as a Maryland replacement. That leaves the Big 12 to either raid the ACC for Florida and Clemson, making the ACC obsolete like the Big East, or grabbing BYU,possibly both. With the Big 10 at 14 and SEC at 14 and PAC 12 at 12 the Big 12 and ACC need to change their plans quickly or go the way of the Big East. PAC 12 could raid the Big 12, like they almost did a few years ago, making Utah even more obsolete, if that confeerance does not wake up! Big 10 may be after Kansas as well. Big 12 could add SDSU and BYU opening up the S CAl and Salt Lake markets.

    This is far from over and the MWC is not the anwer for BYU.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    It seems the only attraction that the MWC offers is security - but at what price. Sure, Fresno State is there, now, but so is Wyoming. Boise State was average this year (yes, they beat BYU - barely - but BYU was a bad team this year), and San Diego State has had one good season since Marshall Faulk graduated.

    The elephant in the room that has not been mentioned yet is the mountain network. That alone and in-and-of-itself should kill the deal right there.

  • cdchttrtn meridian, idaho
    Nov. 20, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    Can't beleive all you people thinking that being independent is the best for BYU. Why not have all the teams at BYU in the same conference. The MWC is a great conference and if Bose and SDSU would reunite it could end up being a great regional conference. A conference where fans could travel to easy.
    I bet the A.D. at BYU spends half of his time or more trying to come up with a schedule for just football. What a waist of time and engery, being in a conference would be so much better.

  • job Provo, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    As far as competition goes, if AFA, SDSU. and BSU were to stay, it would be very challenging for BYU. Add those teams to USU, Nevada, San Jose and the occasional strong seasons from the remaining teams, The Cougars would need a very good season to take the conference title.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    You've already posted that comment three times.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    TheSportsAuthority did you know that BYU is now 6-10 all time against San Jose St.
    Really its true.

    The Spartans own BYU!

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:40 p.m.

    Well, at least we agree on one thing here that BYU went independent for the money. The exposure thing is something different. After last year and then this year, independence has done nothing for their once great respect as a football program. Many non-LDS football fans that once were eager to watch BYU football, could care less now after the games they have seen this year. Do you really think that football fans want to watch games with Univ. of Idaho and New Mexico State? Until the AD makes some changes to this program we will see less and less exposure.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    no conference championships for U

    With conference expansion, and conferences like the ACC reducing their number of conference games from 9 to 8, and with more and more teams looking to schedule quality out of conference opponents to better position themselves to be included in the upcoming playoffs, BYU's scheduling difficulties could easily vanish. In fact, BYU could easily find itself in the position of having to turn down scheduling requests in a buyer's market.

    Of course, that would be really tough on Utah trolls like U, but at least U can console yourself with being a relevant punching bag in a big boy conference.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    Old ball coach

    "Have you not been watching the past few weeks of BYU football....ESPN has been!"

    ESPN watches the ratings, not the games, and the bean counters at ESPN have said on numerous occassions that ESPN is thrilled to have BYU as a partner.

    Despite your BYU-hating predictions, BYU's contract with ESPN is rock solid, as evidenced by the fact that ESPN has picked up every available BYU game during the first two years of the contract, even though the Cougars had a less than stellar schedule.

    With much better schedules beginning next season, it's laughable that anyone would predict that ESPN is even considering not picking every available BYU game next year, and the year after that, and the year after that...

    btw, you should consider joining forces with Chris B on your predictions - you two would make a great team... comedy, that is.

  • estudiante GRAND RAPIDS, MI
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    BYU should stay independent and play this schedule:

    1) Utah State,
    2) Air Force,
    3) Army,
    4) Boston College/Harvard,
    5) Duke/Vanderbilt,
    6) Navy,
    7) Northwestern/Notre Dame,
    8) Southern California/Stanford,
    9) Utah,
    10) Hawaii

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    I can think of another reason to join the MWC - no other conference of significance will take us.
    Its going to be a rough road ahead for BYU. Without question their scheduling will be tough in the future. With conferences expanding, schools will drop more agreements to play BYU.

    And its not all bad in the MWC. And I think it would be good to have Boise St & SDSU again.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    No gain at all for BYU to join MWC. BYU is wise to wait this one out, until further expansion makes PAC12 and BIG12 need more teams.

    Look at what's available to the PAC for expansion to 16 teams, BYU will have to be in that mix. Would the PAC really look at someone like Idaho? No. Hawaii? Maybe. SDSU? Probably, but USC and UCLA wouldn't want a neighbor competing for recruits. BYU, Boise State would have to be two of their top targets.

    BIG12 to expand might limit BYU a little since they can go North, East, and West to expand. But BYU is a major player in more sports than just football.

    So BYU should stand pat for now and see what happens. It'll get to the point that BYU will be in demand. And by then BYU will attract better talent, with the schedules they'll play in the future who wouldn't want to play here?

  • Bluesmack south jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    It seems that some Utah fans comment so much on BYU articles, that they repeat the same comments from the last BYU article, hilarious! At least be original, and come up with something new to say. Since I have no interest in anything Ute, and know nothing about them, the very least a Ute fan who obsesses over BYU could do is at least share some kind of news about the Utes that anyone cares about. Nevermind, no one cares!

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    The cable and satellite companies are simply shooting themselves in the foot by not carrying channels like BYUtv HD. The channel is offered free of charge so there's no legitimate reason for DirectTV not to carry it.

    Streaming will eventually send these dinosaurs packing to the land of Blockbuster.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:44 p.m.


    "Utah moved on and up to the PAC 12."

    Yet here you are, three years later, still jealously trolling BYU articles, and trying figure out how BYU is still able to accomplish things that you no longer can, like finishing in the Top 25 and going to a bowl game every year.



    "The match up with SJSU "boring"? I guess it was kinda "boring" since BYU was never really in the game."

    At least not after Riley's final incomplete pass in the final minute of the game.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    BYUTV is HD. But DirecTV won't broadcast the channel in HD.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    Chris B

    "Apparently Utah may sneak into a bowl after all."

    That would more embarrassing than an accomplishment.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    The match up with SJSU "boring"? I guess it was kinda "boring" since byU was never really in the game.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    Independent is the place to be. More money. More exposure....but a few less wins. But more money for sure. and BYUTV isn't HD, so I'm dependent on ESPN coverage.

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    BYU, Boise and SDSU need the MWC...especially BYU. Have you not been watching the past few weeks of BYU football....ESPN has been! As soon as they realize this is not your fathers BYU teams, ESPN will buy out the constant 6-6 cougars from their contract. Mark that down!

    BYU should negotiate their rights, which is easy because The Mountain is gone, and sign with the MWC. If this happened I guarantee BYU would be in a major bowl before Utah! Which would be more embarrassing to Utah than BYU!

    The New C-USA with Cinnci, and South Florida will be weaker than the MWC in coming years....Uconn will replace Maryland in the ACC, Louisville will be in the BIG 12 soon!

    Go Back, win the MWC, and play in Phoenix, Dallas (New Game), or Pasadena! Its not that hard of a decision!

  • 2Cents Los Angeles, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    Uh, Rock, there would be a chance to go to a big bowl as a member of the MWC. The highest ranked of the "other 5" conferences gets an AQ bid to one of the big, but not playoff bowl games. Other than scheduling issues, it is the only reason BYU would go back to the MWC, and a fairly legitimate one since BYU would be in the hunt for this spot on a regular basis, which would give it exposure. If they went undefeated as a member of the MWC and scheduled 3-4 "BCS" teams, it would still have a shot at the playoffs. Case in point is this year, if BYU were undefeated, it would probably be top 5, and surely top 10.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    Rock this is old news now. BYU is remaining independent. Why do you use the Cougars to draw attention to yourself? Because the Utes lose all the time rather than most of the time like BYU?

  • sg newhall, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    After watching the San Jose State game (which I predicted would be a loss for BYU), I believe it is time to get rid of Doman as offensive coordinator (his whole scheme is offensive to watch, it is predictable and ugly). Why he thinks he needs to be on the sideline is ridiculous. If he has assistants upstairs, then frankly, he's not calling anything; he's the middle man. BYU needs a taller, stronger, in the pocket QB. Riley was good, but not good enough and definitely NOT a closer. It has been an ugly year. Bronco should step down as head coach and become the defensive coordinator; the pass defense has always been weak and it showed against San Jose. So basically, BYU has beaten patsies all season long. Until things change, we are wasting our time watching them play.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    I can imagine Utah fans are getting a good laugh out of this article. Going back to the MWC? That's like returning to high school three years after graduation. Utah moved on and up to the PAC 12. TCU moved on and up to the BIG 12. BYU tried independence and .... well... after watching Idaho and San Jose in the month of November every year a few hard core fans would rather just cancel November football and go on to basketball. I suspect BYU would fill up the stadium even if they joined up with Dixie State and Snow College ....most fans could care less about football nor do they watch it other than an occasional Saturday afternoon in Provo ...and for that they get a fun family outing and some good nacho's and caffeine free coke. BYU football is about as exciting anymore as 2 week old funeral casserole so maybe it's time to hang up the shoulder pads and enjoy the memories.

  • utahutesfanatic Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    I see no reason that BYU shouldn't be getting into the BIG 12 soon. But if that weren't an option then there would be one more reason to join the MWC, conference championships, conference rivalries, and full season motivation.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    Reasons for BYU re-joining the MWC:

    (I can't think of any)

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    If BYU wanted to win games as badly as Chris B wants to blog on BYU articles, we would be number 1. Undefeated.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    Honest assessment here:

    Your beloved Utes won't ever:
    1) Go to the Rose Bowl
    2) Win a National Championship
    3) Produce a Heisman Trophy winner
    4) Get over bashing BYU

    Utah will:
    1) Finish at the bottom third of the PAC 12 almost every year, or lower
    2) Follow Arizona and compete (?) for decades before going to your first Rose Bowl (they haven't gone yet)
    3) Go years before ever getting into another BCS Bowl---if there is such a thing then

    You will:
    1) Keep bashing BYU every chance you get
    2) Continually harp on belonging to the PAC 12 as being better than sliced bread
    3) Get older without ever growing up
    4) Always try and post first on BYU articles (see #3)

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    C'mon Rock, this is old news now. I didn't even read your story because you're just trying to stamp your brand on it. Stick with Chris B and the losing Utes.

    BYU will not join any conference. They like independence.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:45 p.m.


    Apparently Utah may sneak into a bowl after all.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:39 p.m.

    re;Chris B.

    I feel sorry for you. You have the first three posts on BYU and you are a...Utah fan. And somehow your digs always make it past the d-news board regulators...I don't know which is more confusing.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    Ah, Brad, why play New Mexico at all? They are as bad as Wyoming in the win-loss column. True, they are in a warmer area than UW in Laramie, but my gosh---New Mexico? If you were really into some good competition in the old MWC you'd want BYU to play Air Force occasionally. They have a better record than Utah in the MWC over the course of all the years everyone belonged. And if you've ever attend a game in Colorado Springs, they are a class act----unlike Fort Collins where they are just another state school, only wearing green instead of red. AFA needs some good competition, too, so I think they'd go for it. (There has to be a reason Whittingham said he was glad they would never play Air Force again...the cadets were just too good too often for the Utes.) And UNLV? You must want to frequent Vegas. While warmer there, too, their stadium isn't up to much----although it is covered with red paint so maybe that's why you want to go there.

    Interesting points of view that you expressed.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:34 p.m.

    BYU won't return to the MWC. They can't win that conference with USU, SDSU and Boise State in it.

    They'll stay independant where they have to compete with one.

  • Abeille West Haven, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    So . . . How's that 'In-ness' working out for you, Chris B? Remind me again - where is your team going 'bowling' this year?

    Never mind.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    Chris I'm being honest here. Why the hate? I really do just want to understand. I can be completely honest in saying I wish Utah the best. You guys are down this year and that's too bad. I don't care that you're "in" and we're ''out'' as you say. The PAC-12 is great for you guys! Really! I'm enjoying independence and have faith it will work out. So why can't we both just wish the other the best and let the other work towards their own personal goals?

  • Making Sense Herriman, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    Nice to know BYU is still relevant with you.

    And what exactly is utah in? They are in a rough rivalry with fellow basement dweller Colorado. They are in for a longer Christmas break. They are in with fellow non-bowlers like Wyoming, New Mexico, Idaho, etc., etc. They are in the pac10.2 like the Washington Generals are in games with the Harlem Globetrotters or how Angola was in the game with the '92 Dream Team. Oh, and utah was in two BCS games coming from the MWC, so basically you're biting the very hand that fed you.

    BYU is better served by maintaining independence unless provided an opportunity to join a stable situation like the BIG 12, which isn't a guarantee.

    Oh, and Chris B, the utes are in one more thing: last place in the nation for basketball!!

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    If realignment really does mean that four 16-team superconferences are inevitable, than the B12 needs 6 teams and the PAC needs 4. There simply aren't that many viable candidates within their current geographic footprints. The B12 will try for Florida State and Clemson, maybe Louisville and Cincinatti...then what? They would still need to find 2 more teams. Besides, the SEC can pick up FSU and Clemson any time they want. My point is, if it comes to that, BYU will find a home. They might not be full members, maybe just football-only additions. If it doesn't come to that, then there's really no reason to go away from independence.

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    I would rather continue as an indepedent with a "scheduling arrangement" with a few MWC institutions.

    @ Chris- Utah is what Rutgers will be in the Big 10 family. The akward, slightly ugly relative with poor hygeine everyone avoids speaking with at family reunions.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    Chrissy B

    U should worry more about that bunch of misfits on the hill,

    especially when

    1) BYU 2012 bowl - IN
    2) Utah 2012 bowl - OUT

    btw, your predictions of BYU never playing in a "significant" bowl (or never playing in a playoff game) are about as meaningless as your constant "mark it down" predictions; in fact, your prediction of "never" is practically a guarantee that it will be soon.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    Honest assessment here:
    Chris B has no life

    Independence is a tough schedule and I miss most (not all) traditional rivalries - but unless the entire national college football structure is rewritten to go back to traditional regional rivalries - there is no reason for BYU to go back to the MWC. It would be better to do what they did previously, when creating the MWC, band with others to start their own new conference.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:10 p.m.

    We have our choice of conferences because evryone wants us but will remain independant.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Confererence will continue to shift, but regardless of what happens, 2 things will be constants from here on out:

    1)Utah will be "IN"

    2) byu will be "OUT"

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    Honest assessment here:

    You guys won't go to a BCS(or "significant" bowl once the official BCS goes away) game as a member of the WAC, MWC, or independent.

    So why not stay independent and at least get more money from ESPN?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    Why not just join the Big 12

    Or the Pac 12?