Utah Utes football: Utes won't treat finale vs. Colorado as a bowl game

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  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 24, 2012 9:11 p.m.

    Utah 24 Final
    BYU 21

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Nov. 23, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    to Spokane Ute...

    You Sir keep telling it like it is.

    Re: KamUte

    Agreed. Riddle me this cougar fans... What would byu be w/o the Lavell years?

    @worf 9:14 p.m. Nov. 20

    "Leading most of the game, BYU loss by three to the number one team in the country."

    Darn those three point loses this yr.

    "Doesn't look like a time machine to me."

    Its in the past. Spin that.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 11:56 p.m.


    I distinctly remember Utah fans being proud of Utah for competing with the Trojans in the Coliseum and having a chance to win late in the game. I don't remember any celebrating or being satisfied with the loss.

    You are missing my point in regard to the history. It is a double standard to deny Utah's last decade, even if it is shorter than BYU's current run. Whatever else Utah did in its entire history before that is completely irrelevant in this context.

    Even more importantly, In the modern era Utah has shown the ability to get to, and win, on the next level. Even if BYU finished ranked more consistently, they have less hardware to show for it.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 21, 2012 2:11 p.m.


    I don't ever recall saying BYU was an "irrelevent" independent. Please don't mis-quote or put words in my mouth. Just pointing out that as far as the Utah-BYU debate goes, we beat you, this year, on the field, fair and square. That's where it counts in my book!

    Again, have a great Thanksgiving!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 21, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    The week of the big "rivalry" game with Colorado, and you're still fixated on a meaningless game against an "irrelevent" independent way back in early September?


    Welcome back to the 80's, when BYU was Utah's bowl game.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 21, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    Utah 24 Final
    BYU 21

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "Congrats BYU fans. You guys almost beat a good team. I've never seen a fan base so proud of a loss before."


    I distinctly remember Utah fans beating their chests last season for ALMOST BEATING USC, even though Utah never lead during the entire game and ended up losing by three times as many points to USC as BYU lost to Notre Dame.

    The selective memory and inconsistency of Utah fans is laughable.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 8:33 a.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "So BYU has finished in the top 25, 50% of the time since 1977. Why do you only credit Utah with two great seasons when they finished ranked 50% of the time in the past decade?"

    BYU's 50% is over a 35-year period.
    Utah's 50% is over a 10-year period.

    That's a HUGE difference, especially when you consider that Utah only has ONE other AP Top 25 finish in their entire history.

    A Top 25 finish isn't necessarily a "great" season, but it is a good season. And stringing 18 Top 25 finishes together over three and a half decades proves that BYU has had a good football program for a very long time.

    More importantly, BYU has shown the ability to string multiple Top 25 finishes together in three and four year stretches. Utah has never managed to string together more than two Top 25 finishes in both polls in their entire history - a couple of brilliant flashes in 2003/2004 and 2008/2009 and little else.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    We almost beat the irish....LOL!

    Purdue was just as close to beating them and Pitt was even closer. So I'll put the cougies on the same level as Purdue and worse than Pitt since this is how you judge your team. We lost to San Jose St. but hey the irish only beat us by 3 were Awesome...LOL!

    Jazz fans good news it's ok we didn't win the title we almost beat Michael Jordan that makes us good......LOL!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 12:40 a.m.

    Congrats BYU fans. You guys almost beat a good team. I've never seen a fan base so proud of a loss before.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    Leading most of the game, BYU loss by three to the number one team in the country.

    Doesn't look like a time machine to me.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:03 p.m.

    "The Utes have over a hundred-year history of clunkers (not a single AP Top 25 finish until 1994), with only an occasional break through since."

    Wow!---Someone did "mark it down".

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    Poor disappointed Spokane ute said...

    "When's the last time BYU made "a ripple" on the National scale?"

    Though BYU has had nothing recently on the radar as far as national rankings, Heisman watch and so forth I do seem to remember BYU almost pulling off an upset over ND just a few weeks ago.

    It was an event that certainly garnered more national media attention than your precious Utes vying for a proud piece of 10th place pie in the PAC 12 this weekend!

    You poor Utes sure know how to milk that victim part in the PAC12 drama department.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    Anti BCS

    So BYU has finished in the top 25, 50% of the time since 1977. Why do you only credit Utah with two great seasons when they finished ranked 50% of the time in the past decade? That is a double standard. Not only that but BYU won 12 bowl games in that 35 years while Utah won eight in the decade, including two BCS bowls. If you credit BYU with three great decades it would be dishonest to not credit Utah with a great decade these past ten years.

    Also, my point was not to compare BYU and Army. It was simply to illustrate that a great history is nice, but it means very little when comparing the current state of the programs.

    BTW, BYU's last top 10 finish was in '96. Utah has finished in the top 5 twice since then....

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 20, 2012 6:53 p.m.


    Overall undefeated seasons Utah 9

    Talk about losers.

    How does it feel to have 7 undefeated teams that didn't get a single vote in the polls, and 2 other undefeated teams that only got ONE 1st place vote between them (from their own coach)?

    How does it feel to have an undefeated team TIED 6-6, by a mediocre 4-3-2 BYU team or another undefeated team SHUT OUT 0-0, by an even more mediocre 3-3-1 BYU team?

    BYU, by comparison, is one for one on undefeated teams winning a National Championship!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 6:24 p.m.


    Utah's program has had two very strong seasons the last decade, and little else in their entire history.

    Your example of Army once being a strong football program MIGHT be relevant if there was any similarity to BYU.

    The HUGE difference that Utah fans conveniently overlook when offering such comparisons, is Army, unlike other teams that had great accomplishments back in the 40's, hasn't done much since.

    BYU, on the other hand, has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977, 18 Top 25 finishes in the last 35 years, including FOUR Top 10 finishes and TEN Top 15 finishes.

    In fact, Bronco has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes (four) as the Utes have in their entire history (five).

    Ancient history or modern history, on a national scale, BYU is still more accomplished, overall, than the Utes.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    Army has a very strong history in football. Anybody mind telling me how this is relevant today? Nobody has ever tried to claim Utah has a strong history in football. The program has been very strong the past decade and hopefully will continue to grow with the new advantages afforded by the PAC-12. This year wasn't great but that happens to every team once in a while.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    Everything you cling to is in the past as well. utah is not a bcs caliber team any longer, it's over. You utah "fans" cling to the ute's basketball finals appearance as if it just happened as well, please note it was 14 years ago, two decades and a century previous to this one.

    BYU won the football National Championship my sr year of HS, I was 18. I am now in my 40's. It does not seem long ago to me at all. We all judge "ancient history" by our own frame of reference. utah's fiesta bowl appearance was 8 years ago, their sugar bowl appearance 4 years ago. Time flies.

    But if you are so fixated on living in the present and truly believe that is all that matters, well today, right now, utah's football and basketball, frankly their entire athletic program, is abysmal. Just plain awful. That is the present. That is not "ancient history", that is not decades or centuries past, that is now, right now, currently, as we speak. They are truly bad. There you have it. That is the present. I know it is rough but it is today.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    History starts when BYU says it starts?

    If we are comparing; history starts when the programs start. If that is the case, BYU has a long way to go to catch up. Utah has their worst season since McBride was fired yet they still were good enough to beat BYU. What does that say about BYU? Awards are great but do they resonate to wins on the field? Nope.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    Jealous U

    The time machine slant again? I guess if that's all you got, that's all you got. Pounding on your chest about the season you didn't beat a single ranked team; and beat poor 6-6 Michigan in your huge Holiday Bowl game. Talk about embarassing.

    I wonder how many of these folks are posting under several differn't screen names? The debate is always the same and always refers to the good old days.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:53 p.m.


    post after post from jealous, embarrassed Utah fans, who still haven't figured out that the Utes have never won a single national award in their entire history.

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    National Individual Award Winners
    BYU 15
    Utah 0

    National College Football Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6
    Utah 0

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 18
    Utah 7

    Best Finishes EVER
    BYU #1/#1
    Utah #2/#4

    The Utes hold parades for finishing 2nd

    BYU holds parades for winning a National Championship


    How embarrassing it must be for U to finish a season "undefeated" and not get a single vote in the national polls.

    Even more embarrassing, to have one of your "undefeated" leather-helmet era teams TIED by a mediocre BYU team.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:47 p.m.


    Yes, it seem like the same little group just can't leave Utah thread(s) alone. Your Screen name really says it all when discussing Utah Football. Now Thesportsauthority is bragging about a loss. Notice how he didn't mention the Utah - BYU game "during this down year"? They always seem to leave that tid bit out. Maybe Thesportauthority can call us when BYU makes a BCS bowl game. He might as well have his phone service disconnected.


  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:31 p.m.

    LOL! post after post from jealous cougie fan's. Cougies worry about actually winning a game against Utah and San Jose St. then come back and talk....LOL!

    Ducky/Pheniox you are correct Utah has done twice as much over the last decade then the cougies have in their entire history. Undefeated seasons Utah 2 (last 8 Years)...Cougies 1 (ever) Overall undefeated seasons Utah 9....Cougies 1....LOL!

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "When's the last time BYU made "a ripple" on the National scale?"

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Notre Dame 17
    BYU 14

    Even in a down year, with a miserable offense, BYU was still only one decent throw from Riley to Hoffman away from beating the #1-ranked team in the country on their home field.

    It's not BYU's fault if Utah's best is only 2nd best, #2/#4.

    Call us when U reach the pinnacle; ancient or not, we've been where you can only dreaming of being someday.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:26 p.m.


    Who has won on the field between BYU the last three years, and 8 of the last 11?


    There's your cue to jump in the BYU time machine. Tell us all about the great Fiesta Bowl loss, from 38 years ago.


  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    @ Ducky & anymous

    Where to start? First off, don't assume my age, because you haven't a clue. Utah has done well over the last 10 - 12 years. Of course BYU fans get in their time machine because Utah has rolled them as of late. I've noticed it's basically your only defense. Keep living in the past, and trolling the Utah threads. I will continue to deal with recent history and pull for my team. You can continue to discuss ancient history. Oh, don't recall ever saying Utah had a great program prior to the 90's? No, just Phoenix putting words in my mouth. When's the last time BYU made "a ripple" on the National scale? It's been a while; don't kid your self! It's not my fault if no conference wants your team and you can't run the table to a BCS game. Live with it!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    "Utah has been to a bowl game 11 of the last 12 years, and 14 of the last 18. They have won 10 of their last 11 bowls..."

    How many times did one of those amazing Utah bowl-winning teams manage to finish in the Top 25?

    How many times did the Utes play in a bowl as "insigificant" as the Las Vegas (remember when Utah fans were claiming that the Poinsettia Bowl was just as "presitigious" as the Las Vegas Bowl?), Poinsettia, Armed Forces, Kraft Fight Hunger or Liberty Bowl?

    How many times did the Utes play a ranked team in one of those bowls?

    How many of those bowl-winning Utah teams were also conference champions?


    The truth is, alot of mediocre Utah teams played in alot of meaningless bowls against alot of mediocre opponents, and this season, the "mighty" Utes weren't even good enough to reach that low standard.

    At least U have basketball to look forward to...

    or not.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    The truth is, the Utes never even made a ripple in the national college football landscape until 2004.

    Without the proliferation of bowls starting in the early 90's, the Utes wouldn't have even been considered for a bowl during most of the last 15 seasons.

    The WAC, renamed the MWC when the real WAC split from the bloated 16-team WAC, rarily had more than the conference champion and, occassionally, one other very good team, invited to a bowl.

    The real reason Utah fans whine about BYU fans getting into their time machine is because when jealous Utah fans get into their time machine it only goes back to 2004; Utah has no football history on a national scale prior to 2004.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:27 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    Yes it is trolling but that doesn't mean Phoenix is incorrect, to the contrary he is completely correct. utah does not have much of a history and this sort of season is far more the norm than not. Yes they have been respectable for about 8 years and I'm guessing most youngsters like yourself with a limited time frame for reference think that is an eternity and the totality of recorded history, sadly it isn't.

    The truth is this is what utah is with a less than a decade long exception that now appears to have ended. While I do not expect any fan of any team to be satisfied with a season like utah has had it would probably be in your best interest to become accustomed to it as this will be far and away more common than 9-3 or 10-2. Those years, and there were very few of them to begin with, are over. Accept it. It will be much easier on your psyche.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 12:52 p.m.


    You are completely clueless. The Pac 12 is not rethinking, nor can they. It was a unanimous decision by all Presidents of the conferences. I looked all over the internet for anything you say. It simply is not true. Site papers and dates.

    Sounds like jealousy!

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    Good to see the commitments coming in. Hopefully, they will be able to help with next years schedule.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    Wow, it really hurts when reality smacks you right in the face...Oh, Utah will show the big boys in the PAC 10 how to play...Ouch, this must really smart. Utah better be careful, Colorado thumped them last year as the 'Battle of the Bottoms' go at it again this year...this is a rival so to speak...between those wishing not to be the complete bottom of the conference.

    According to a recent LA newspaper, the PAC twelve is re-thinking the additions of Utah and Colorado and are looking at inacting article 23 of the conference contract that the conference can release any team which does not play up to a certain level of performance...Hello WAC!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:49 a.m.


    Nice job of getting in your time machine, as usual. Utah has been to a bowl game 11 of the last 12 years, and 14 of the last 18. They have won 10 of their last 11 bowls, and beat BYU 8 times over that same time span. Why do you contantly troll Utah threads, trying to pick an arguement? It tends me to beleive that you are not a BYU fan, just a Utah Hater. Kind of sad, but true, when you think about it.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    The Utes have over a hundred-year history of clunkers (not a single AP Top 25 finish until 1994), with only an occassional break through since.

    2012 isn't an isolated case, it's been the norm for Utah football for the last half century.

    If you don't believe that, review how many bowl games Utah played in from 1962 to 1992.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    It's been a dissapointing season to say the least. Every program has a clunker year every now and then. Let's hope it's an isolated case.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Recruiting has taken a hit, Ammon Barker 6'4 210, runs a 4.4, led the state in receiving yards, grew up a huge Ute fan, will be playing at UCLA.
    The Utes need to figure some things out, and one is they need to keep the top level Utah kids here.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 10:27 a.m.


    "The student section was weak during the last game. I believe student tickets should not be free. Free means there is no value to the game."

    Agreed. Now that the newness of being in the PAC 12 is starting to wear off, all it would take is a couple more losing seasons with no bowls, and its very likely that the MUSS would desert the football team just like they have the basketball team.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    As a huge fan, I have come to realize that we are still just a good MWC caliber team as the talent we are recruiting won't pay off for a year or two. Coaching needs to be on the same caliber as the talent coming in. We love Brian Johnson, Shareef Shaw and Dan Finn but they are not ready for their respected positions. That worked in MWC but you see what happens. Very few times were the players on the field better than Utah. The penalties, missed blocks, poor qb preparation has nothing to do with the players.

    The fans are still behind the team as most of us are patient. The crowds were over capacity at every single game this year. The people that paid, all showed up. The student section was weak during the last game. I believe student tickets should not be free. I bought two tickets in the MUSS as a student guest. Free means there is no value to the game. Administration should either sell tickets to the students or put the student section down to 6,000 tickets so people wanting to buy tickets can purchase them. Be there next year as well.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    Why would the Utes even consider enduring the ridicule and embarrassment of becoming a prime example of how meaningless bowl games have become when a team with a losing record is allowed to play in a bowl?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    If not for a hike over the QB's head, and an easy Northern Colorado/Washington State game, the Utes would be 1-8.

    Actually, they're a better team then that.

    Utes 42
    Buffs 10

    Nov. 20, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    Eddie, he's an NFL pedigree Texas high school star who can run 400 meters in under 47 seconds. Very telling of someone's character when they choose to belittle an athlete's accomplishments simply because of the school they chose to attend.

  • That's A Good One Meridian, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    It'll get better next year Ute fans. Wait, Oregon and Stanford are on the schedule right?

    I don't blame Utah for jumping at the chance to be the PAC-10's backup option with Colorado. Who wouldn't have jumped at the chance? Kudo's to them for being 1)In a position to capitalize on the opportunity and 2)Not being discriminated against because of religious affiliation. But I can't help think what might have been if the MWC had been able to hang on to Utah, BYU, TCU, and Boise State. Sure, the money wouldn't have been as good as it one day will be for Utah, but those 4 teams would have made some noise every year in the national playoff. As it stands now none of them, with the possible exception of Boise State, will make any regular noise.

    What a disappointing year for both BYU and Utah fans. Neither in a position to rub the other's nose in anything (except for Utah's now annual habit of being able to say they won their 'real' (and this year literally only) bowl game against the true rival).

    Congratulations to Utah State though. Nice job Aggies.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:28 a.m.

    Of course this last game could never be considered as a bowl game. The Utes already had one bowl game this year back in September. Can't have two bowl games in one year.

    And if the NCAA allows any team with a losing record to participate in a bowl game then the integrity of that game is nil. If it takes using teams with losing records just to put on a bowl game then such bowls are worthless and/or meaningless.

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    "Absolutely not. This is not a bowl game. It's a regular-season game," Whittingham said while noting that it isn't his philosophy or belief to pretend or make something up. "It's another chance, another opportunity in the regular season to win a game."

    My, my, my how the tune has changed.

    Colorado was supposed to be our new PAC 12 rival, the Rumble in the Rockies, the end-all-be-all of late November rivalry games, but the way Whittingham and the Utes are talking about it, there's absolutely nothing "special" about this game, just another regular season game with a chance for one more win...

    Utah(4-7) at Colorado(1-10), the rubble in the Rockies, appropriately played on Black Friday

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    "Dre'Vian Young, a 5-foot-9, 170-pound running back out of Nimitz High School in Texas, originally committed to Kansas State."

    Sounds like a brusing guy! Did they find this guy at a pee-wee league?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:13 a.m.

    Uh huh... (wink, wink)

    It's the 'Golden Chip Bowl'.

    And you can bet the Utes will be fighting for their very lives to win this one. LOL

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:14 a.m.

    Kyle went to Travis Wilson way too early in the year. It's one thing to develop the future and another to give up on the present.

    John Hays had come a long way. With Utah's O line getting things straightened up after their September woes, and White IV finally getting healthy, Hays was booted when Utah was only 0-2 in conference and ready to turn the corner.

    Whittingham starts the freshman at UCLA (bad timing). Anyone who saw the two road games @UCLA and Oregon State saw a Ute team that played well enough to win in both game except for Wilson's awful performances.

    Utah was 11-0 the last two years when White IV rushed for over 100 yards. Then they lose two straight when White IV shined big because Wilson was inept. Utah has had some skilled WRs the last 3 years but Whittingham has wasted them on Wynn and now Wilson. I am not even sure Wilson is the future at the QB position.

    Two seasons wasted to start PAC 12 play. There was a chance to shine, build momentum in the new league, avoid Stanford and Oregon and increase recruiting. Chance now lost.