BYU football: Nelson, Hoffman nursing injuries

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  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    Y Grad/Y Dad,

    Although I am frustrated with how Bronco has handled the QB situation this year, I don't want him gone. I certainly don't want him gone, as he is fantastic with the defense. I am guessing you have not read many of my comments throughout the season, because I wanted Riley Nelson to be a great QB. However, the verdict is out, and he is not a great QB.

    As for Heaps playing injured, he played the 2010 Utah game with a broken rib and played fine. I know Heaps made a lot of mistakes last year, but he certainly has good QB skills. It is true that I cannot prove that he would have made those throws, but I have a hard time believing that most Div I QBs would miss as many of those easy throws that Riley missed. Likewise, no one can prove that Heaps would be worse than Riley. Anyway, Heaps is gone and not an issue anymore.

    And I'm happy with independence. The Big 12 would be nice, but I like our position. I cheer for BYU and Bronco and I want them to succeed.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:27 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    Alright already, I know that sometimes I'm too much of an apologist for Riley, but your comment about Heaps is just plain pickin daisies. You have no evidence that Heaps would have made "half the passes Riley missed." In fact the evidence is to the contrary.

    Now if you were to say that Jake never woulda had to play hurt because he never woulda risked taking the shot...

    For some of you, this has really become a miserable life! We aren't in the Big 12, someone says we MAY be THINKING about going back to the MWC and Riley Nelson hasn't been publicly tarred and feathered for blowing the presidential election. Take a breath! Bronco IS the one you want coaching at BYU, and if you think differently, he's not the wrong coach.

    Your cheering for the wrong team.

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:31 p.m.

    Riley should set the rest of the year then he can use his grit to walk the gaduation line. what is wrong with the coaches to not see this. Hello, is any body home! Riley is hurt and his play further hurts the team.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 7:08 p.m.

    I agree with the comments about Riley Nelson. He has clearly done poorly this year. I was all for Heaps over Nelson and people called me crazy. Now I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Heaps would have made at least half of some of the easy throws that Nelson has missed. With Heaps we might have even been undefeated. But instead we have Riley Nelson and will finish 7-5.

    I'm looking forward to next year when we will not have Riley Nelson, although with Bronco Mendenhall's comments made this year, I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to sneak Nelson in at some point next year anyway. Apparently Bronco is more of a fan of Riley than a fan of winning.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 20, 2012 6:03 p.m.

    Starting Nelson has been incomprehensible to me from the Utah game. Last year he actually could throw well enough to hit a 30-yard pass now and then. Not this year.

    If he can't throw he should not go.

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:44 p.m.

    Methinks that Doman is an inadequate OC, but Bronco owns this kettle of fish. Holmoe needs to stay in touch with Andy Reid and give Bronco the option of staying on as the defensive coordinator. Bronco's formula of playing mediocre players, who have paid their dues and earned it, does not win games.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    To C Smith 4 Utah

    Playing Nelson no matter what is all Mendenhall's call. . . NOT Doman's. That is very evident in Bronco's media statements.
    (and I have some inside sources).

    Starting Lark this next game is an absolute no brainer. And it is not because I think Lark is particularly any better. Riley is hurt, and his play hurts the team. Lark deserves the start. Not only because he is healthy, but also because Nelson's lackluster performance over the year would dictate that Lark deserves a shot. Why not against a miserable team in a meaningless game? Bronco's stubborn statements that he is still holding out for Riley to get the start defies all logic and leads me to the inescapable conclusion that Bronco has a fear that Lark might actually do well, thus calling question to his judgment.

  • golsen7 Bonneville, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    He is hurt what do you expect. He said at the first of the season when the media asked him about his play that the coaches try to get him to avoid hits and he said that was not his style. Why would the coaches let him play he does not listen to them. His reckless careless play has hurt the team. I don't know how they can watch the film afterward and not see how ineffective he was on his throws. They must have their heads in the sand. The fans and commentators can see it.

  • C Smith 4 Utah ,
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    Maybe it is Doman that needs to be let go, not Bronco. Maybe it is Doman's loyalty to a quarterback that he would like to be a mirror of his own style when he played at BYU. Problem is Doman could throw, Riley can't. A 60% Riley is about about a 0.6% _____. (Fill in the blank with name of almost any other former BYU QB)

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    Riley Nelson may well bring the end to Bronco's career as head coach. The poor judgment Bronco has shown this year and sickly loyalty to a mediocre player has caused a great rift between the coaches and fans that wont easily heal. I personally have grit in my ears, in my eyes and in my teeth. It's just too much.

    Why not try Munns, wont he be back next year? Between independence, Rily, Bronco and the OC fiasco, I for one have moved on to basketball. Anything else this football team does is just a footnote.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    @ Y Grad/Y Dad

    The point isn't that Lark is better than Nelson--it's that Nelson is INJURED--and played injured through the meat of the schedule. While his performance was certainly gutsy, Mendenhall didn't consider playing Alisa with a broken arm or any of the other players whose injuries inhibited their play. There is no irony in this assessment. I like Riley Nelson and in the right offense and/or completely healthy, he would have been very effective. I would not have played Lark over Nelson for any other reason than that Nelson's obviously painful back made him less effective. I place Mendenhall's decision to play an injured quarterback right up there with going for two at Boise State when his team had a decided advantage in overtime. Mendenhall's admiration for Nelson's courage adversely affected his judgment as a coach. Just sayin'.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    We all know that a 50% Nelson is better than a 100% Lark. Hopefully Nelson is in just enough pain to start the game. Then in just enough pain to not be able to throw. Then in just enough pain to retain his "grit" title. Then we can all say how important it is to be a tough kid, not so important to win a game. Then we can look at another loss. Then we can have Deseret News interview Nelson and he can tell us how he was 60% healthy, but really wanted to be out there with his team to "help." A 50% Nelson is better than a 100% Lark. I'm sarcastic today.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    Ah the irony is too beautiful. "should let Lark start and see what might have been--but, then, maybe that's the problem."

    Of course when Heaps was pulled in favor of Riley, many pointed out (correctly so) that Jake had the tough part of the schedule and Nelson got the WAC opponents. Are the same people really thinking that if Lark can shine against NMSU, somehow there is a cosmic message in that????

  • MizzouBlue Carthage, MO
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:20 a.m.

    Enough please. Play Lark. Afterall, what's in the rumor mill after two years of being independent? Not the PAC 12; not the Big 10, Big 12 or Big East. Boys we're possibly headed back to the Mountain West Conference. Who'd a thought?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 20, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    Play Lark against NMSU. Any of our QBs should be able to easily win this game.

    Get Nelson health for what should be a good game in the Poinsetta Bowl.

    @gchris - The New Mexico Bowl two years ago was "almost meaningless". Technically, all bowl games outside the NC are meaningless, but any bowl game in beautiful San Diego is not meaningless for fans.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Nov. 20, 2012 6:23 a.m.

    "Hopefully, he (Nelson) will be back for the New Mexico State game." Why? Lark has practiced with the team for four years, stood by as Nelson has "gutted" his way through three games that the Cougars should have won, and might have if they had had a healthy quarterback. New Mexico State isn't exactly Notre Dame and Nelson could rest up and heal up for BYU's almost meaningless bowl game. Mendenhall should let Lark start and see what might have been--but, then, maybe that's the problem.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 6:22 a.m.

    Why not just start Lark for the last game? There is no reason why he shouldn't.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 2:18 a.m.

    What an abysmal season for the the red and blue.

  • Why would I? Farmington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:32 p.m.

    They're nursing more than injuries: try a LOSS to go along with the bruises. Unfortunately, it was a loss that didn't have to occur. (There I go again, playing that broken record for this season.)