BYU football: Riley Nelson, Cody Hoffman injured in BYU loss to San Jose Stae

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    Nov. 21, 2012 1:40 a.m.

    SlopJ30, severe: critical or dangerous; "a severe illness" (World English Dictionary)

    It's not a lesson on semantics, it's an example of why athletes shouldn't try and talk about other peoples' injuries/bumps/bruises when they don't really anything about it. a) It's unethical b) It can make them look silly.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:08 p.m.

    Riley's hurt. When he plays hurt, the team suffers. Insisting on playing when he's only 60% is not leadership, but selfishness. He's only hurting the team. The coaching staff is basically saying that a 50% Nelson is way better than a 100% Lark.

  • truebluecougar Orem, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    Cougars need a new Offensive Line Coach and a real Offensive Coordinator. Time for Ty Detmer to emerge. Get us back to a real quarterback that can throw the ball and not serve double-duty as a running back.

    Hill can fill that void if used properly. Come bail us out Ty. We need you now.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    Ya know, it is wonderful that Riley is so tuff he will go back out with a rib injury...but he should keep in mind his rib might hurt, but the entire team, school, fans and Cougar nation are the ones who are really getting hurt...this program is on the skids and I am afraid it will not recover...

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Nov. 20, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    Thank you for the lesson in semantics, StGtoSLC. I had no idea there was a technical medical definition for the word "severe."

  • TBAnnounced9 Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 12:01 a.m.

    Wow. Unbelievable. Rib injury and still playing. Is Riley the Head Coach and makes the decision when he plays? I've never seen such an obvious situation of coaching ineptitude. And allowing Nelson to play with such an injury? One more hit...Can you say pierced lung? lawsuit? wow.

    Slow start, not ready to play, not caring about the game, overlooking SJS....coaching fail. Epic fail. I read the newspaper reports because I live in Utah County and am surrounded by alumni, people who work there, people with kids there, etc. but it has gotten too painful to watch. I do feel bad for the fine young men on the team.

    Nov. 19, 2012 11:28 p.m.

    "Cody played with a separated shoulder, a severe injury"

    Riley, stick with football for now instead of playing orthapaedist.

    1) It is either the head coach's or the injured player's right to make a statement on an injury.

    2) A "separated shoulder," as an AC sprain is commonly called, is not a "severe injury." It can be very painful, especially raising the arms over the head, but is easily managed with small chance of complication. The only position this injury typically really adversely affects is QB, because the pain can alter the throwing motion. Dozens of notable players of the years have played, and played well, with this injury, but it is painful and requires toughness, but is not "severe."

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:18 p.m.

    *sigh*....if only excuses were points. We'd be undefeated and have a Heisman candidate at QB.

  • Dr Rush Saint George, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    After James Lark came back from his mission he had an opportunity to go to UCLA,Arizona and Utah but he chose BYU because of his family and a promise made to him by the BYU coaching staff that he would get a chance to be the starter. After doing more that what he asked to do and tearing it up in spring practices he has been passed over for Nelson,Heaps and Hill even after being assured over and over that he would get a chance. Now we have seen what the other OB's have done and they will play an injured Nelson over him.Now I want this to be posted so I won't say what I think of the BYU coaching staff but a thinking person can see what kind of coaches and people they are, enough said.

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    You know Riley says he's a team player but I don't see it. Never once thought about coming out of the game, I can see that if you have no one else and if you can make the plays, but once again he was NOT able to make the plays, once he saw that he should have said something if he was really a team player. Especially after costing us 3 games early on in the season, it's like he could care less whether they win or not, as long as he gets his. I'll be so excited for this team when this season is over, I'm sure he's a great guy but it's amazing how selfish he is being right now. He's an ok qb when he's healthy but a mistake prone lousy one when he's hurt! I'm very disappointed in Bronco too for allowing this too happen. I'm sure he could see he wasn't himself. The fact that they were in the blue zone that many times and came away empty, hurt or not he should've yanked him.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    James Lark must be horrible. So horrible they keep him on the team....but don't play him.


  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    People that say were were one step away, we almost had it, we're better than our record are in total denial. BYU has earned their record. They are not better than they're record. They're players and coaches are performing to their potential.

    Why would an elite level recruit risk a promising future by going to BYU when they see so many get run out of town because it's impossible to live up to the unrealistic expectations of the fans and coaching staff (Jake Heaps)or they get caught violating the honor code. BYU gets the quality of recruits that they want. It's unfair to place such unrealistic expectations on them. Especially when you don't have an elite level coaching staff.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    A lot of Riley and Doman bashing is well deserved. That being said, it took the defense 30 min to figure out how to stop a team on 3rd down. Plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the ball. Lastly, SJSU is not as bad as they typically are. They are allowed to have a winning season in 1 out of 10 years...I guess this was their year so good job to them.

  • MizzouBlue Carthage, MO
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    It's been a frustrating year for all Cougar fans. The one receiver Riley has been able to find consistently is Cody. Does his separated shoulder mean he's out for the rest of the season? If so, and if Bronco stays with Nelson, the future looks worse.

    I admire Nelson's grit, but he lacks skills, a feel for pressure, and too often good judgement. In a word-change. It's time to let Lark sing!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    Is James Lark really that bad? I would think he would be a better choice than someone with a serious injury. At least give him a shot at it.

  • RileyReally? Alexandria, VA
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    Note to Bronco: QB is a SKILL position. It is the ultimate skill position. It is great to have some gritty overachievers on any football team, guys that give their all and aren't afraid to mix it up. The whole team will love those guys. And there are many positions where guys like that can excel.

    But QB, particularly at a school with a tradition and brand like BYU, is primarily for guys that use their heads to think, not as a battering ram. It is for guys with strong arms, as much as strong wills, for guys that can throw a ball accurately on a consistent basis.

    You and Holmoe say that you still expect the QB you sent packing to play in the NFL someday, but somehow it is OK to play, even when injured, a QB that in the glory days would have been lucky to make the scout team to prepare for Air Force.

    You say BYU will be different, not like those other schools only interested in money. Newsflash: ESPN is underwriting your salary. As good as your defenses are, the BYU brand is suffering, and that doesn't bode well for your future.

  • VA-Cougar ROUND HILL, VA
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:14 p.m.

    ....and the problem is, who else is out there that can lead this team???? That is the big question. I do think that Bronco deserves another season. You gotta see if he can turn this car around...

    (please do not say Andy Reid or Mike Holmgren). Both would get a half dozen or more calls from NFL teams as soon as they place their resumes on the open market.
    Who else can we get???

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    You might check my earlier post, but this is Riley's call. It's up to Riley whether he plays or not, just as it was against Utah & Boise State.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    Give Riley his diploma and send him on his way...I could hear heaps laughing all the way from Kansas...what a joke!

  • Coug420 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    Couple comments. One- I can't believe the excuses laid out in this article. Blaming refs and talking in so much detail about injuries. He doesn't use injuries as an excuse but if he was really tough as he thinks he is, he'd opt not to talk about them.
    Two- James Lark must be the worst recruited QB in BYU history for him to not play over the worst full year starter in BYU history.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:44 p.m.

    I'm not sure Niners understands the meaning of the words "rational discussion." Otherwise, he wouldn't be making stuff up for every post. First there's random digs at Riley Nelson's and BYU's sportsmanship, which you don't hear from neutral parties; you only hear it consistently from people who actively root against BYU. The only people I read/her talking national championship are kids like you who do it to mock the delusions of the BYU Straw Man Fan.

    The BYU Straw Man Fan is that guy who was seriously touting Riley for Heisman before the season, who thinks John Beck is one opportunity away from being an All-Pro, and who believes BYU and Notre Dame are on the same plane in D1 football. You know; he's that guy who doesn't exist among fans actually paying attention and who have some baseline understanding of football.

    I'm not disagreeing with the Y posters because they're making true (if obvious) points: Riley is mediocre, the coaching staff is questionable and the 2012 team is mediocre. See the difference? I fear not.

  • Robert Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:37 p.m.

    Hopefully Nelson is injured enough that the coaches will FINALLY keep him out of the remaining games. Riley Nelson is the primary reason for 4 of BYU's losses -- replace him!

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    Doman and Riley have to go. We should be 10-1 right now and would be if not for poor play calling by Doman and foolish mistakes by Nelson.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    Love BYU football, but in all honesty, I'm just ready for this frustrating season to be over with. If BYU plays like this next year, they'll get their doors blown off with that schedule.

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    The loss to the Spartans clearly rests on the shoulders of the defense. You ask, how could that be? Well it's real simple, the defense should have scored at least two touchdowns and that would have been sufficient to make up for a sub par offense.

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    I listened to 97.5 after Saturday's games and Riley Jensen, Steve Tate et al were discussing the games. One of them stated he thought Riley Nelson leading the Cougars to their comeback victory against the Aggies LAST YEAR won Bronco over and Bronco became committed to Riley regardless of how good or how bad he played. Riley isn't the only problem the Cougars have, but he is the main problem, followed closely by Doman.

  • runsrealfast POCATELLO, ID
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    For those of you calling for a coaches head, you need to see the tweet from Holme this morning. Nothing on the staff is likely to change.

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    No words....

    How many games do we have to lose because Bronco continues to play an injured QB. I'm sick of losing. Riley is good when he is healthy but he isn't himself when he is injured. Put in Lark Coach! Geeeshhh!!!!

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    @BlueHusky, I would rate you as an F level fan.

  • FreeToFly SomewhereIn, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    Ahhhh, back to the good ole days - when the Sunday morning hangovers of Uta fans were tied more directly to a BYU loss than to a Utah win!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    Clearly, Doman has to go. Bronco probably has a short lease.

    But it's a lot easier to pick a poor HC than a good one. I'd give Bronco a B overall as HC/DC, recruiter. But we have to get a B-level OC, at least.

  • oleblu Ogden, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:56 a.m.

    This tells me A LOT about both the coaches and Nelson, he is thinking about himself rather than the team...multiple times player were wide open and he could not get the ball to them...if he is not up to "helping" his team win he should not be in the game. Lark has spent 4 years working and waiting..he should be given the chance since Nelson can't do the job

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:50 a.m.

    I see one of two things being the case:

    1) Bronco is just such a Riley fan that he will play Riley until Riley himself or a doctor tells him that Riley cannot play.

    2) Bronco (or whoever) realizes that he has been wrong about Riley being the right man for the job, but doesn't want to admit it. So instead he plays Riley Nelson for fear that if Lark ever played, he would prove to be better than Riley and Bronco would be embarrassed for having made such a blunder.

    There might be other possibilities, but these seem the most likely. Any thoughts?

  • Jazzledazzle Provo, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    I am sorry but when you lose to San Jose State you have hit rock bottom. They are a joke. I dont' care what their record is. Utah State smoked them just as they should have. All you have to do is look at their uniforms. Enough said. They don't even look the part. I will be happy when the Riley Nelson saga ends. He is not a good qb period.

  • Lux et Veritas Draper, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    Not only is playing a severely injured quarterback strange from a game and personnel management standpoint, it's also highly irresponsible to put an athlete at risk for long-term, lifelong injuries.

    Yes, Riley wants to play. He's a competitor. Still, a good coach knows when they must protect an athlete from him or herself.

    What's the point? All for San Jose State? So silly.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    @ troll police:
    I know, Utah hasn't beaten a good team in several years.
    And we all know that BYU would have absolutely dominated the PAC12.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    Kind of sad that we byu fans hated Norm Chow & Robert Anae. Both fine OCs.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    Bottom line is this: BYU has 6 wins over a combined record of 21-44. Two of those 6 are over teams with winning records (Utah State 9-2 and Ga Tech at 6-5). BYU has 5 losses against teams with a combined record of 41-13. BYU struggles mightily against good teams from any conference. With no offense, the only thing keeping BYU in this season is a very good defense. Would that we had an AVERAGE offense. Our offense is offensive to Cougar Nation. I put that on Doman. Love the guy but he's not an OC. Hate to say that, but the numbers show it. Nelson is the most gutsy, well liked player, perhaps ever.....amongst the players. But he does not deliver against winners. The proof is in the numbers.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    Amateur athletes going to college and dating girls. No need to pile on Riley Nelson. He isn't getting paid. He isn't holding a gun to people's heads. He's just playing his rear end off and doing what he can do. If it isn't enough, it's not his fault. Like all of us, he's just doing what he can do.

    Gotta look to the coaches. They are the paid professionals.

  • 1984! SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:37 a.m.


    Sorry, but saying its the refs fault for overthrowing a receiver by 10 yards is not giving the other team full credibility for beating us...It may not be unsportsmanlike but it is not very classy either.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Sorry BYU fans I forgot there is no such thing as a rational discussion with some of you. By the way many realistic BYU fans are saying the same thing as me in different words, why not disagree with them? Anyways ignore me, go get excited about your national championship run next year with the amazing depth and amazing athletes on that BYU squad. I hope it works out for you:)

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    Niners has a selective reading comprehension disability. I'm pretty sure that Nelson did give SJSU for making the plays necessary to win. It's there in plain English. Stating that you have a rib injury when you actually DO have a rib injury is unsportsmanlike . . how, exactly? Complimenting a receiver for continuing to play hard and play well with an injury is unsportsmanlike . . how, exactly?

    And if stating that you "started slow" when you did start slow, or stating that you didn't play your best after a loss makes BYU . . exactly like every other team. I still fail to see how that's got jack to do with sportsmanship. If a team is completely outclassed, that would sound silly. If you lose by one or two scores, of course you're going to look at mistakes made and tell yourself you can do better.

    But nevermind; I forgot that we aren't applying logic to our analysis; we're just pulling random lazy anti-BYU myths out of the air after a loss. YAWN.

    Nov. 19, 2012 11:00 a.m.

    Paging Tom Holmoe: please fix our program. Thanks!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:57 a.m.


    Stronger schedule means NOTHING if you don't win.

    It's hilarious that U haven't beaten a decent PAC 12 team in two years, yet you're whining about another team beating up on weaker opponents.

    What happened to the program that was billing themselves as national championship contender USC's main PAC 12 south challenger just a few months ago?

    Beat somebody, then you can whine about other teams not beating anybody.

    btw, as it turns out, BYU did beat a Top 25 team this year. Who did U beat, a 6-5 team that handed U the game?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    I didn't get to see all the game, but from what I did see in the second half I kept thinking that if BYU wins it will be despite Riley Nelson, not because of him.

    Seriously, coaches! Is James Lark really SO BAD that an injured Riley Nelson that makes bad throws, interceptions, and fumbles is STILL better than him? Give him a chance! He can't do any worse than Nelson has been.

    I wanted Riley to succeed this season. I did want Heaps over Nelson and people thought I was crazy, but when Heaps transferred and Nelson became the starter, I wanted Nelson to prove me wrong and be an awesome QB. However, we now see that Riley is not a good QB. Period. I love his grit and his athleticism. I really do. But he is NOT good at throwing the ball, which is vital for BYU's offense. Put him in at another position. Just not QB.

    I'm not a football expert, but I honestly don't think that my evaluation is that far-fetched. After all, how many times did we have an opportunity to win that Nelson failed to deliver?

  • SportsRUs Happy Valley, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    This game was rather symbolic of the whole season. Poor blocking by the offensive line; loose ball security, a few poor decisions, and gritty play by Nelson; unimaginative play calling by Doman on two crucial 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 plays; defensive lapses in the first half that put them in a hole; a brilliant special teams play on the onside kick; and, of course, coming up short. This has indeed been a season of might have beens. The only game they should have lost was the Oregon State affair.

    I think two things will stay with me from this season: losing again to a mediocre Utah squad and wondering how good James Lark is. The one positive for next year is that we won't have to watch the heart-stopping adventures and misadventures of Riley Nelson. But at least he was instrumental in getting Jake Heaps to transfer.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    They just don't learn.. after losing games earlier in the season because of playing Riley while injured, they continue to let him play hurt only to lose again.

    I have fully supported Bronco as the head coach but I'm beginning to think the entire coaching staff is incapible of making even the easy decisions like this one. Take Riley out and put Lark in.. it's as simple as that and could have resulted in a win rather than an ugly loss.

    I can't wait for Riley to graduate and leave the team.

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    While America may be able to avert its "fiscal cliff" BYU will not avert the "Bronco Doman Cliff" Imminent and Inevitable. All because of favortism over talent and winning games. I am hopeful from Holmoe's last interview when he hinted at some major(?) changes coming next year. Let's start from the top! I have stopped watching/going to BYU games since Nelson came back as starter. At this point, a HS or Little League play caller has a better chance of winning games for BYU - oh, and also for $50 or for free! Fans, please let's "rise and shout" the ineptness in BYU coaching!

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:36 a.m.


    What exaggeration? Playing "Idaho state"8 times in 2 years. Hmm Idaho state twice, Idaho, nmsu twice, weber state, Hawaii, 2011 version of sjsu and the almighty 2011 ole miss. That's 9 teams in the last 2 years that is a guaranteed win for any mediocre team. I'll ask again, what exaggeration?

  • Black&Blue St George, Utah
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:34 a.m.

    May Riley Nelson never throw another pass at BYU.

  • NWCougar Wilsonville, OR
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    "I threw it over JD (Falslev) because everyone thought the play was dead."

    What the heck? that's a great excuse for throwing the ball over someones's head. Did he think the play was dead on those other 20 passes he threw over receiver's heads?

    Do a google search on this article: "BYU Football 2012, The Movie: Great supporting cast spoiled by a drunk Russell Brand". It should have been on but is probably too negative!

  • BYUtah Fan Herriman, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    There is no question that the offense is terrible. I was considering attending the Poinsettia bowl. But I really don't want to watch, in person, the nation's worst offense sputter against a MWC number 2. I don't know who is to blame. But, is is obvious that the offense is just not cutting it. Something needs to change. It is also clear to me that a option style offense leads to quarterback injuries which we cannot afford. If the quarterback pulls it down and runs occasionally, OK. But consistently putting your quarterback in the line of fire has proven to be a losing strategy. Forget the option. Let's return to the BYU offenses of old. The ones that put up 30+ points per game. If we had a good or even OK offense this year, we would be playing for the national championship. If the present coaches/player(s) cannot execute that offense then let's find someone who can.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    @troll police

    Utah has no "excuse" they do not have enough depth to compete a full season in a strong conference. The same problem TCU, west Virginia and Utah have all experienced in moving to a better conference. Trust me buddy, next year it will happen to BYU. They are obviously not going to be an exception, they have 2 injured QBs while playing a relatively weak schedule. That's not even considering bronco is nearly winless when playing teams above .500. Not trying to troll just trying to get a unrealistic fan base to look at things realistically.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    AND NOW WE SEE what is really a problem. The Coaches and Riley Nelson DO NOT KNOW the rules! The play is alive until the official whistles it dead....period.

    Nelson should have hit Falslev with the pass, not thrown it away over his head, and BYU would have scored, forcing SJSU to accept the penalty. With the play being an incomplete pass on 4th down, all SJSU had to do was decline the penalty and they get the ball. What is SO HARD to understand about that? Haven't these guys been playing football since they were old enough to hold one? Why throw away the ball, Mr. Nelson??????

    With respect to the rib injury, all Nelson had to do to avoid it was to PROTECT the ball and not fumble it.

    Fundamentals, like knowing the rules and failing to fumble, make a big difference.

    Once again, we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, which is becoming too common of late.

  • bslack Draper, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    Niners, nice exageration. San Jose is a pretty good football team. BYU should still be expected to beat them, but their two losses are to Stanford and Utah State, two good teams.

    Bronco and Doman are train wrecks when it comes to making difficult decisions concerning their QB. Riley certainly has more heart than Heaps, but Riley has made more mistakes costing BYU games than Heaps did and yet Heaps was pulled twice. I also have a hard time believing that Riley over threw Falsev on purpose because of the whistle. This looked like Riley's normal throw.

  • BYU Deek Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:40 a.m.


    Reynolds isn't the O-line coach, he's the tightends coach. And, remarkably, the tightends haven't been an issue this year. Reynolds was the RB coach before that, but that was taken over by Dupaix, so he switched over to TE. Mark Weber is the O-Line coach, and the oline has consistently underwhelmed since he's been in charge. Grimes was a decent O-line coach during Bronco's first two years has HC, but left to go to Colorado with Dan Hawkins. Don't know what Grimes is doing now, but maybe he could come back?

  • EveryDave Provo, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    So. Much. Losing. Would be nice to see a new head coach and a rotation of the deep QB talent from the bench. BYU fans, as loyal as we are, want to see more wins and fewer excuses.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:36 a.m.


    One problem with your comment... Reynolds coaches the Tight Ends, not the O-line, that job goes to Webber....

    Sorry for ruining your rant on Reynolds.....

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    "I stood up and when I elongate the torso, it pops back in," he said

    No matter, you gotta love Nelson and his determination.

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    Trying to figure out why so many Ute fans are commenting on the BYU board, at least BYU has a winning record. Have fun little brothers as cellar dwellers in the Pac 10.2.

  • AlanSutton Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    clearly, it's time for a new offensive coordinator.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    Other than the opponents, the comments here sound remarkably like those of Ute fans. It's been a tough season for all of us... well, not for the Aggies.

  • Runner Chandler, AZ
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:19 a.m.

    This is so insane. Doman's HS Offense has ended Hill's year and now has injured Nelson twice. And yet he either doesn't know about these injuries or doesn't have the guts to make the substitution. Either explanation is equally troubling. Furthermore, beyond the injury debacle, is the playcalling. On BYUs last offensive play of the game, they have a, "slowly developing" play called when they had to know that SJSU was coming with a blitz. What kind of play call and/or play design is that where there is not a release, "hot" receiver available?

    While I was watching this game I couldn't help but think that this is the game that seals it for Doman. Let him coach out against NMS and maybe even the bowl game and then he needs to either be re-assigned in some sort of recruiting role or just given a handshake and shown the door. It's clear that he is a great guy, blah, blah, blah, but he is just not able to do this job.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:18 a.m.


    What's Utah's excuse for not even being able to qualify for a bowl playing "Northern Colorado" twice a season?

    The Utes still haven't beaten a single PAC 12 team with a winning record.


  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    I wonder what Riley thinks causes the problems he mentioned?

  • Harry-T Davis, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    Still waiting for "Caption Chaos" (AKA R. Nelson, thanks to B. Poppinga) to save the day! No one can or has the guts to stop his madness. His madness not only destroys himself but also his allies. When will it end?

  • TallGuy1970 Syracuse, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    Riley has never been the right person to lead BYU. Sure, he makes an exciting play - usually running all over the field - once in a while, but he has never been a quarterback.

    But, I don't blame Riley. I blame the weak Offensive Coordinator who won't stand up and say to Bronco, "Riley isn't cutting it. Give me someone else!" I also blame Bronco. He is great a defense, but just doesn't have the talent or vision to see what has to happen on offense.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    We've all been tough on Doman and Bronco. What about Reynolds who has coached the offensive line for 30 years there and can't get his guys to open a decent hole for our runners or give pass protection to the QB's? The game is won in the trenches.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    Are there other colege teams in the country that play injured players so consistently? Would the coaches pull a player with a concussion? No, shake it off and just go back in!

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    I understand that playing "Idaho state" 8 times the last two years hasn't caused too many injuries for byu, but if that is the excuse already what's it going to be next year when 5 to 10 of your starters are down by the end of the season like teams in the SEC, PAC, big 10 and 12? I can't wait to hear it next year after BYu plays a real schedule, without 5 bye weeks per season which gives their starters time to rest/ less injuries.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    The fatal decision in a dismal season for BYU was choosing Riley instead of Lark as BYU's starting QB.

    That decision forced the second fatal decision, to install an option offense instead of a passing offense.

    I don't blame Riley, I blame Bronco for his misplaced loyalty to one player, over his obligation to the rest of the team. And I blame Doman for his poor choice of quarterbacks and his unimaginative offense that is little more than the offense he learned at Skyline HS.

  • Mash76 Provo, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    Anyone else tired of the same old comments week after week of woulda, coulda, shoulda. Also if someone is hurt do you keep playing them?

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    Another indictment of Brandon Doman? Is there any school in the nation who has chased away two # 1 rated QB's because of lack of a offensive coordinators?

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    BYU is rubbing off on Riley finally. His first two seasons he never had excuses after losses, which was very abnormal for a BYU QB. Now its...The refs made me over throw it, I'm injured, my receivers are injured, we just started slow. All these excuses trying to imply "BYU is better, we just didn't play our best". I knew Riley couldn't finish at byu with a good sportsman attitude, it's just not possible.

  • Tiberias Orem, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:26 a.m.

    Why are the coaches so stubborn? The only thing I can figure out is Riley is blackmailing them or they don't want James Lark to look good so they look bad. James should have played long ago! No wonder the team is flat when they come out.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    Is there anymore to say in this comment section? Why, continue to play with ribs (going in and out???) and just maybe Lark would have delivered for the win? Now Cody Hoffman got a shoulder injury, he will be better off to recover and come back 2013. So is Riley going to play at NM State? "Yep", Riley will tell Bronco and he will let him play?