National anthem in need of changes

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  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 11:46 p.m.


    Your post exemplifies what is so dangerously wrong with the left. You vilify the right with a fantasy caricature of how you WANT the right perceived, i.e. we think those on welfare are "lazy", while carefully ignoring what the right ACTUALLY believes, i.e. that of course the poor are not inherently "lazy" but welfare is far too widespread...this is simply empirical fact. Where in my post did I say the poor are "lazy"? Oh, wait...I actually said welfare is IMPORTANT, not a refuge for the "lazy". Saying that those on welfare are an economic drag on society is NOT the same as saying they are "lazy" or even their fault. Too many of the poor are there because of leftist policies that have made it more difficult to rise out of poverty and increasingly easier to remain as government dependents.

    And exhibit No. 2 on why leftist governance inevitably leads to economic malaise: you stubbornly insist on equating gainful employment with unproductive if they were both federal "handouts". How many states want more unemployed welfare recipients instead of an AFB? Exactly. Liberal states simply have more welfare recipients than conservative states.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    And Let's forget to factor in the Food Stamps that Wal-Mart workers recieve.

    Try kept afloat and one week away from starving by America's tax-payers because of the greed and under-payment and exploitation from Corporate BILLIOAIRES.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    Voice, you miss the point: the money used for those jobs come from taxpayers in other states subsidizing Utah's economy. Hill provides a strong economic stimulus for this state. But a higher percentage of tax money that goes into Hill comes from blue states then from Utahns. We, ultimately are takers in this state, we are on the "welfare" conservatives get up in arms about. We, in this state, are the takers. We take more then we give. We have that economic benifit from Hill AFB because blue states pay for it, "liberal" states pay for it. That is the hypocrisy of the right.

    Oh, and as far as those people that you see as a drain on society, those on welfare (like Utah), the vast majority of those people are hard workers. Most people, other then the infirm and the elderly, on public assistance are workers. That is another despicable lie of the right, that the poor are lazy. Menial labor is hard work and low pay. The people picking your fruits and vegetables are not paid living wages, though it is, indeed, hard, hard work.

  • raybies Layton, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    Must start singing...

    Oh say can you see? By the doctor's copay.
    What so proudly we hailed, was the Twilight's last movie.
    Whose broad streets and bright cars emit less carbon than cows,
    O'er our ipads we watched angry birds that are screaming?
    And the rockets red glare of the russian-contracted space program,
    Gave proof through the night that our brains went overseas.
    Oh, say does that tax-laden rich guy still breathe?
    O'er the land of free stuff that we tax from the grave!

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    Nov. 21, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    mark - The point is, of course, that federal employees are actually employed and so contribute economically in a sustainable way. Nobody in Utah thinks Hill AFB is a drag on the economy. The size of the welfare state, on the other hand, is a HUGE drag on the economy because it is evidence of, and an enabler of, people who are economically dependent and NOT gainfully employed, or at least underemployed. Surely you understand why it's more relevant to look at the relative size of the welfare rolls in different states than on the gainfully employed who sustainably contribute to economic growth.

    UtahBlueDevil - Actually, there was a "Utah" long before there was a USA here, as evidenced by your own post. When the Mormon pioneers arrived in the SL Valley it was nominally Mexico, not the USA, although realistically it was a sort of no-man's land between Native American tribes without any sort of organized Mexican presence. We Mormons were here long before the USA ever arrived...escaping persecution in the US was the entire reason we LEFT the country! Trying to say that the federal govt. was here "before Utah" just betrays ignorance of history.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 20, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    @ WRX.... you said "The author once had a country where not only the anthem was to his liking but so was the country. Much of that has disappeared and, with Obama at the helm,

    Ok... lets really have your list of how this nation has changed so radically since Obama became president. Please, a list - we need to know.

    This over the top whinny complaining some on the right is tiring. I don't know if their parents didn't hold them enough, or perhaps they got used to winning at everything they did.... or that when they played with other kids, they always had it their way.... but Mr. Obama, despite what the talk show radio heads and conservative commentators preach has changed very little.

    You still worship where you like, you still work where you like, you buy homes and live where you like, you still get to go do what ever "fun" activities you like, and you get to complain all you want - and you all have been doing superb job of that by the way.

    Freedom of speech, religion, to bear arms is alive and well.... but couldn't tell the way you all cary on.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:25 a.m.

    LDS Liberal,

    What? No you don't! Do you really? That is VERY cool! Driving on used vegetable oil, geothermal pump! Love it!

    Go Progressives!

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Nov. 20, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    I kinda like the song the way it is already, thanks.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:56 a.m.

    "Then turn massive amounts of confiscated public lands, over to private (tax paying)ownership, and the "net tax taker" issue become zero!"

    Again, really? Confiscated public lands? Who were the lands confiscated from? Utah wasn't a state when these lands were "confiscated", so it wasn't Utah's land that was taken. Perhaps you need to brush up on your western US history, but the territories were taken from Mexico.... so if they would be returned to anyone.... it would be Mexico.

    Is that what you want?

    Utah was carved out of federal lands.... they were federal lands way before there was a Utah. Brigham Young, nor any Governor of the time had any rights to the land. Technically when Brigham Young and company landed in Salt Lake Valley, these were Mexican territories. Mexico granted the lands to the US to end a conflict between the two nations... they didn't grant the lands to the State of Utah - because it didn't exist.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:14 p.m.

    Well Voice of "Reason", I guess if you only want to look at one area of Federal spending. . . Not very reasonable though. Just a rightist mistake, though.

    When you talk about Federal spending coming into a state you look at the whole thing, whether Social Security spending, or spending on Federal workers, which, of course, creates jobs, local spending, and tax revenues paid for Utahns by the blue states that pay more money then they receive so we get more money then we pay. It is not reason to think otherwise.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    Ogden, UT

    Without the oil you mentioned, you'd be in a heap-a pain and anguish... trying to heat your home burning buffalo dung and riding your horse to work.


    I have solar panels installed on our home,
    All my light are now either CFL or LED,
    I'm designing a new alternative energy systym, a sort of Hybrid => wind tubine/Hydro-eletric storage system to be installed soon,
    I currently heat my home using a geo-thermal heat pump,
    I grow most of my own vegatables, year round in a green house,
    I drive 2 vehicles (Mercedes Benz) using my own receipe of disgarded straight vegatable oil from resturants that i get for free.

    I don't need to kill for oil - God made me smarter than that.

    You're the one in trouble my friend.

    I'm Progressive,
    and you are not.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:56 p.m.

    Northboundzax, America the Beautiful, is a good choice. And Mr. Gronberg, you are quite right, that beautiful song you print the lyrics of needs no change at all.

    If I had to pick a new Anthem it would be This Land is Your Land This Land is My Land

    This land is your land This land is my land
    From California to the New York island;
    From the red wood forest to the Gulf Stream waters
    This land was made for you and Me.

    As I was walking that ribbon of highway,
    I saw above me that endless skyway:
    I saw below me that golden valley:
    This land was made for you and me.

    I've roamed and rambled and I followed my footsteps
    To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts;
    And all around me a voice was sounding:
    This land was made for you and me.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:45 p.m.

    @Mike in Sandy:
    "Maybe the author should move to somewhere where there is an anthem to his liking."

    The author once had a country where not only the anthem was to his liking but so was the country. Much of that has disappeared and, with Obama at the helm, it will likely all disappear soon. As Thatcher once said: 'welfare (giveaway) is fine until you run outta other peoples' money.' We have arrived.

    @LDS Liberal:
    "For 8 long years I watched in absolute horror as GW Bush and Dick Cheney single-handedly wiped out 4 generations of American prosperity..."

    Obama wiped out more than Dubya & Cheney did in just over three years.

    "For 8 long years - as a VETERAN - I was trash talked as being un-patriotic and un-America because I did not support 2 OFFENSIVE, and un-Funded foreign wars for oil..."

    Without the oil you mentioned, you'd be in a heap-a pain and anguish... trying to heat your home burning buffalo dung and riding your horse to work.

    "...tell themselves Obama is destroying America..."

    Obama isn't doing it alone. He is merely the instigator, the catalyst.

  • Voice of Reason Layton, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    Kent D.,

    Actually, Utah is a net BENEFACTOR on federal transfer payments. You're probably making the leftist mistake of counting all federal spending...including spending for wages & services rendered to the federal government, which are not welfare. If you limit it to actual welfare-type payments, i.e. where the federal government actually takes $ from some taxpayers and simply gives it to other taxpayers without being earned, then Utah gets $0.99 back for every dollar it pays in taxes. Welfare programs are needed, but it's important to clarify Utah's actual position.

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    Pledge of Allegiance

    I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.

    The Pledge of Allegiance has changed about 4 times. The last time was about 1954 when the "under God" phrase was added.

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
    That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
    A home and a country should leave us no more!
    Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
    No refuge could save the hireling and slave
    From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

    Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
    Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
    Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
    Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
    Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
    And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
    And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
    O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
    Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
    Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
    What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
    As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
    Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
    In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
    'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

  • Buford Buckley Provo, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    Utah should secede from the USA and write its own national anthem. We don't need Obama and his socialist friends.

  • SG in SLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 4:02 p.m.

    Perhaps Mr. Wilson would prefer "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles"?

    Or maybe he would like some cheese with his "whine" (pressed from the finest sour grapes in the land!) . . .

  • Steve Cottrell Centerville, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    The recommended changes in wording do not conform to the musical phrases.

    By the way, the last comment about "In God We Trust" is not part of the national anthem.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    Let's hope the Deseret News never gives space to this aspiring satirist to show us what kind of wit he has to for parodying the Lord's Prayer.

  • aComment Centerville, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:05 p.m.


    No, that isn't the agreement when Utah became a State. The agreement was that they would do the same here as in every other State to that point. The Federal government would manage the land temporarily while trying to sell it off. They simply refused to do what they agreed to do. The entire basis for the current Utah law seeking the lands is "Breach of Contract."

    If you turned something over to another entity under a contract that they would sell it for you and forward the proceeds, but instead they held onto it and used if for their own purposes and eventually claimed it as their own simply because they had if for so long, wouldn't you consider that a form of "confiscation?"

  • Richard Larson Galt, CA
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    I want to know what john charity spring
    has to say about this!

  • NorthboundZax Makanda, IL
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    A bit off topic, I know, but for some time I have thought it might be a good idea to change the national anthem from the Star-Spangled Banner to America the Beautiful and move the Star Spangled Banner to our military anthem. The Star Spangled Banner hits some excellent sentiments, but is ultimately a war song and focuses more on the fight for freedom than on the concept of freedom itself. That it is about fighting for freedom necessarily engenders an 'us vs them' attitude. Who us and them are change through time, but to keep a fight alive means that there must be someone - even if other Americans - that must be countered. In contrast, America the Beautiful has no inherent divisiveness and just focuses on the notion that it is great to be an American - which it is.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:29 p.m.

    Ok Wonder dude lets say your right and I'm wrong, please go on and on some more telling us what confiscated means. Point being, Utah has massive amounts of public and even private land, that is locked off from development and tax generating enterprising, because of the do gooder know it all bureaucracies, and their laws, that control these things. And they are controlled by the inept, mind-numbed environuts or anti private enterprise crowd. That issue is a big factor in the "net taker" argument!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    Like I told my tantruming 2 year olds when they didn't get their way;

    ..."the only thing needs to 'Change' here is someone's bad attitude."

    Grow-up...for a change.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    I'm pretty sure the other guy was offering a shiny new 20% across the board tax cut.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    Taking poor loser and bitter sour grapes to epic heights! Whoever decides what is an "opinion letter" should screen letters for junior high school whining. This is equivalent of mooning the third period teacher. The disillusioned beyond sanity letters are entertaining and do show the extent that Utah people were hyped up about a guy in the predominate religion.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    @Hahahaha -- Those Utah lands weren't confiscated. They were never Utah's to begin with. Utah agreed that they would remain part of the land controlled by the federal government when they were granted statehood. Before that they belonged to the US government as a part of a territory. It's not like the federal government came in and took the land. You can't take something away from someone who never had it to begin with. Instead, Utah is trying to take the federal government's land. Bunch of takers trying to always take from the rest of us!

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    Actually the letter writer could just write and use his own version of the Star Spangled Banner, and make it work any way that fits his desires. After all, that's what the country and its activist judges have done to the constitution, reinvent and reinterpret it to make it something other then what it was written to be.
    As for Utah being a "net tax taker", that might be technically factual, but take away the unfunded government mandates, and union payoffs in government contracting requirements, the Issue changes a lot. Then turn massive amounts of confiscated public lands, over to private (tax paying)ownership, and the "net tax taker" issue become zero!

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    Secession is as American as George Washington and apple pie. it's what built the country.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    What pains me most are Hypocrites.

    I've listened to these bafoons and radio clowns go on and on, year after year about how
    They are the REAL Americans.
    How They are the TRUE Patriots,
    How only They can be right, and evyone else disagreeing otherwise are wrong,
    How THEY are the one trying to save this great nation of ours...

    For 8 long years I watched in absolute horror as GW Bush and Dick Cheney single-handedly wiped out 4 generations of American prosperity and didn't say ANYTHING negative about my country!
    For 8 long years - as a VETERAN - I was trash talked as being un-patriotic and un-America because I did not support 2 OFFENSIVE, and un-Funded foreign wars for oil and didn't not trash talk my country.

    Pres. Obama gets easily re-elected - and now those very same so-called, self-pronounced Patriots,
    who call themselves the only true Americans,
    are the ones trash talking America as a whole,
    tell themselves Obama is destroying America,
    that anyone who voted against them NOT an Aemrican,
    and NOW -
    They want to Seceed from the Union.

    Some PATRIOTS.

    Traitors is what I call them.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    I find it interesting that the Republicans complain so much about "free stuff." Utah, for the record, is a net "taker," receiving more money from the federal government than we pay in taxes. In fact, most of the "taker" states are red states. Only Texas, with its oil industry, is a significant exception. Utah and its red sisters rely on economically productive blue states like New York and Illinois to make all the "free stuff" they get available.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    America is becoming a welfare state thanks to the offshore megabanks that have almost all of our politicans in their pocket.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    Ridiculous letter.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    The anthem is fine whether you're in reality or not.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    I think the only "free" stuff John cares about is the free stuff going to the inner city poor. Of course it's great that the government gives free stuff to senior citizens and gives businesses subsidies. Those are the good people!

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    I wonder where John received his anti-American training. Perhaps John’s father was a businessman. In my school they taught the good things about America.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    What a ridiculous thing to say.
    Maybe the author should move to somewhere where there is an anthem to his liking.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:23 a.m.

    wah wah!

    And letters like these will surely win the GOP more votes in 2016!

    Keep it up repubs! You're heading further and further into political irrelevance day by day!

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Nov. 19, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    Sarcasm isn't that funny when mixed with sour grapes.

    Who gets all this free stuff anyway? All those "free" hover rounds going to seniors in the t-party? Free Dr visits to the same. Free checks from SS that pay most of the motor home mortgages in the country? That free stuff?

    Or are you upset about the $50 a week in food stamps some low income families get for their kids? Free crutches for wounded veterans? There is a lot of "free stuff' going on but you'll have to be more specific which of it you are upset about.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    Looks like we have another sour grape.