Frank Pignanelli & LaVarr Webb: Understanding the future of the Republican Party

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  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Nov. 21, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    “Mitt Romney didn't lose this election - America rejected capitalism and adopted socialism.”

    There is some truth in your view and Jefferson’s warning against voting ourselves the treasury should be heeded. But to believe that this is the whole story is to be stuck in a fiction that will keep you from understanding the facts and complexities of the real world.

    The fact is the Republicans lost votes because of their positions on a whole host of issues that deeply antagonize large groups of citizens – women’s issues, climate change, gay rights, immigration, science (that so many believe the Earth is 6K years old is a very disturbing mindset to many rational voters), the environment, sound business regulation, campaign finance, healthcare… just to name a few.

    Polls show the vast majority of Americans are fiscally conservative. But many are simply not willing to compromise their convictions on some of the issues noted above simply to balance the budget. If the Republicans could ever limit the influence of their nutty extremes, focus on the issues most people care about, and at a minimum ignore the divisive stuff (embrace their Libertarian side), they would quickly become the majority party again.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    Mitt Romney didn't lose this election - America rejected capitalism and adopted socialism. The Democrat party - the Santa Clause party - will forever simply buy votes and there is no competing with that unless you have a people of integrity who are the voters. America no longer has a majority of people with integrity and therein lies the sad truth. Over 50% of this country will vote for whom ever "gives them" the most. America used to be a place where the people simply asked for an opportunity to make it and capitalism provided that opportunity. Today people don't ask for an opportunity - they want a guarantee and not capitalism or any other ideology can guarantee success but that doesn't stop dishonest politicians from promising the moon to buy votes. Redistributing wealth isn't a solution - it is a death sentence for any economy and it simply isn't practical or possible nor is it FAIR to the producers. Wealth redistribution destroyed Greece as it will destroy America but again it takes a people of integrity and ambition to make capitalism work and those days are coming to an end.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    I repeat --

    Republican = Archie Bunker.

    Enough said.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    "Nothing is wrong with the basic mainstream conservative message of reasonable taxes, limited government, free enterprise and individual responsibility. We just need to do it better."

    This message was never remotely presented to the American people. Our country is running a huge debt and the mantra of "no new taxes" is extended of the temporary Bush tax cuts? That is reasonable?

    And quite bluntly, the Republican presidential nominees looked like a pair of reactionary clowns. Romney looked like he was acting the part, not living it. He came across as disingenuous.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Nov. 19, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    Like a know-it-all college freshman, the Republican Party is stuck in a Randian mindset where the world is a cartoon caricature almost totally out of sync with reality. Romney's comments about the 47% (and his latest "gifts" comments) and the fact that Paul Ryan passes out Atlas Shrugged like Halloween candy are case in point. It's time the dittoheads grow up.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 18, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    Best line was "Success will require a mainstream conservative Legislature focused on practical problem-solving and consensus-building, rather than far-right ideological adventures."

    The Republicans trying governing by being the Anti-Party. No to just about everything. The "conservative" side is NOT devoid of good ideas, lets see them. Do something.

    The leading legislation pushed forward in the house was against things. You have to have more than that to you to win on the national stage.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 18, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    "Could it be the political rights problem (from top to bottom) is... rigidity, inflexibility, & absolutism?"

    Of course it is..

    No flexibility for gays. No flexibility for immigrants. No flexibility for tax increases. No flexibility for abortion and the list goes on and on.

    Adherence to the above must be 100% pure or they are labeled a RINO and run out of the party.

    I probably would have voted for Jon Huntsman. I could and probably would vote for the Olympia Snow or Blanch Lincoln types. Heck, even Jeb Bush feels pressure.

    Yes, "rigidity, inflexibility, & absolutism?" is EXACTLY the issue.

  • GK Willington Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    at wigglwagon


    Clinton & Barry pandered to the far left while campaigning. Yet, easier for both to be moderate & pragmatic while governing.

    Could it be the political rights problem (from top to bottom) is... rigidity, inflexibility, & absolutism?

  • wigglwagon Mariion, Va
    Nov. 18, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    Mr. Webb says, "The Republican Party's biggest problem is that it forces candidates to run so far to the right to secure the nomination that moving to the center and winning a majority of general election votes is difficult. That's a tough problem to solve."

    How is that a bigger problem for Republicans than for Democrats? Could Obama have won his first Presidential nomination as a pro life, sanctity of marriage, anti union candidate?

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 1:35 p.m.

    per one vote 11:09 a.m. Nov. 18, 2012

    Interesting you should speculate the GOP splinters. Does the Limbaugh faction include evangelicals?

    Seriously, The US would benefit from 5 parties...

    1) GOP moderate republicans
    2) Democrats center-left
    3) Green (progressives, socialist leaning environmentalists (Gore, Kucinich))
    4) Libertarians (Ron Paul, Gary Johnson)
    5) Tea Party (Anti-government social conservatives & evangelical right)

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 11:09 a.m.

    There will be the Democrat party, an independent party and and a Limbaugh-hannity fox news crazy right extreme conservative southern party.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 18, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    Quite the conundrum. Quite the power struggle.

    Will they keep the small tent and lose or hold their nose and open the flaps?

    Will the far right maintain control or will the moderate right come out on top.
    The infighting will be entertaining to say the least.

    Gonna get my popcorn, sit back and watch.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    Whatever. But it sure is entertaining watching them turn themselves inside out.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    Here is the conservative magazine "National Review" discussing the Republican's central problem:

    "What they did not do is make the Republicans the party of middle-class economic interests. Most Americans associated the party with big business and the country club, and did not agree with its impulses on the minimum wage, entitlement programs, and other forms of government activism designed to protect ordinary people from cold markets. Americans came to be skeptical of government activism mainly when they thought it was undermining middle-class values (as they thought welfare undermined the work ethic). And even when voters thought Republicans were better managers of the economy in general, they thought the GOP looked out for the rich rather than the common man."

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 18, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    The nation is maturing, diversifying, and evolving. The republican party is not.