President Obama has splintered U.S. into many out of one

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  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:19 p.m.

    The re election of the president is the most hopeful sign of the existence of 'out of many, one'. The grapes are a little sour if you think you still deserve 'out of many, the one we want'. We've grown up since then.

  • boxerdog915 Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    I am taking the next 4 years in stride and sitting back with a smile on my face to see how Obama voters (and our current government really) handle what they has in store and what their agendas really are. This country is extremely divided and whether people like it or not, leadership everything to do with that.

    I think the next 4 years will be a lot of "I told you so"....

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    I am not really sure how old the author of this letter is.... but really? We don't remember people chaining themselves to the fences of the White House during the Bush Administration? Were those just really bad collective dreams we had watching the hearings about open coke cans or Monica Lewinski? Do we just pretend we don't remember how divided Carter made the nation with pulling out of the olympics or the "I can't drive 55" generation. Surely does the author think Obama has divided the nation more than during the Johnson and Nixon Vietnam era? Can we even recall Watergate, Iran Contra, Travelgate... or the numerous other "...gates".

    If we really want to jump back into the way-back machine, how about the Teapot Dome scandal.

    It is this type of over the top rhetoric - saying that this nation is more divided then it ever has been - even considering abolition, makes one wonder. I get you see what you want to see, but really, has our national memory become that bad?

    Its either that or people really don't know our own history very well. I am afraid to pick either answer.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 17, 2012 5:20 a.m.

    "he Supreme court of the land tells us that the federal Constitution does not permit the federal governmnet to require healthcare insurance."

    The Supreme court ruling that I saw was that the Insurance Mandate WAS constitutional.

    Did you miss that.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 17, 2012 5:17 a.m.

    "The Supreme court of the land tells us that the federal Constitution does not permit the federal governmnet to require healthcare insurance."

    You may have missed it, but the Supreme court ruled that the health insurance mandate was constitutional.

  • wrz Ogden, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:31 p.m.


    "Obama did champion a Republican Health Care Idea and put it into law (much as Mitt Romney did for Mass)"

    Obama put government healthcare into federal law... Romney put it into state law. The Supreme court of the land tells us that the federal Constitution does not permit the federal governmnet to require healthcare insurance. The Constitution also tells us that the power and authority of the federal government is listed and limited and that all other power and authority not listed belongs to the state. Obama did wrong. Romney did right.

    "And Yes Don, Obama has used "executive orders". (however, at a slower clip that any of his recent Republican counterparts.)"

    Obama didn't even bother to use Executive Orders to give amnesty to illegal immigrants, which, buy the way, is a felony. He granted amnesty by simply sending a memo to the Department of Homeland Security.

    "Consistency Don, that's all I ask for."

    A president loyal to his oath of office is all we ask for.

  • Way of the Warrior ANACORTES, WA
    Nov. 16, 2012 7:31 p.m.

    If the Republican Party continues on the course they are on, they will self destruct in only a matter of a few years.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    To Counter Intelligence 9:38 a.m. Nov. 16, 2012

    Did Democrats not want to make Bush a one term president also? So how is it that you are more of a victim of Republicans now?


    The difference is that the Democrats didn't try to do everything they could to make Bush fail (he did that all for himself). The Democrats tried to work with Bush for the good of the country. That's why we got the unfunded tax cuts, the unfunded invasion and occupation of Iraq, etc., etc., etc. The country would have been better off if they had worked harder to block Bush's excesses, but they went along with him instead.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 16, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    What would happen in America if the President used a vulgarisms that was so offensive that no father in America would ever utter that vulgarisms in front of his family? What would happen if that vulgarisms was addressed to a six year old girl who was the daughter of a nationally known reporter? Would the news media in a moderate sized market cover things up because that vulgarisms was too strong for their "market", or would that news media report that the President had used crass comments unbecoming a President of the United States.

    Apparently, the news media in that moderate sized market would cover up the President's vulgarisms, even though that vulgarisms was printed world wide, rather than reporting the facts.

    What happens when the news media abdicates its responsibility? We have a President who returns to power who never would have been elected if the news media did their job to accurately and completely inform its customers of the President's words.

    The President has splintered us into a divided nation. His vulgarisms, if foreknown, would have prevented his reelection. The Deseret News failed to report his words.

    What a shame.

  • Ali'ikai 'A'amakualenalena Provo, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT

    "Ok liberals, so far you claim that Obama is not a divider.

    "If Obama is so wonderful, and everything is the fault of the Republicans, explain the following articles that all point to Obama as the polarizing figure:

    "Obama: The most polarizing president. Ever. " Washington Post

    First let's get over the false doctrine that Democratic voters consider "everything is the fault of the Republicans". Such a statement is gross generalization and is insulting to any Democrat or Independent. Republicans can be blamed for a lot, particularly in the last four years, but to say "everything" is irrational.

    As for Obama as a polarizing element in today's political world, it can be concluded that he has been the focus of polarizing forces, primarily the efforts of movement conservatives and wingnut extremists to demonize and identifiy him as "the other" and "not one of us".

    Fox News and conservative radio had focused their efforts for the last four years solely on identifying Obama as the key figure around which they could develop sufficient opposition to defeat his presidency and keep him from winning a second term. In other words, they made him a "polarizing" individual.

  • Salsa Libre Provo, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:21 p.m.

    Christian 24-7 Murray, UT

    If you only understood politics. Partisan division is not new.

    " . . . divide and conquer has been effective, of course having the backing of most the media has helped."

    Ever listen to Fox News and conservative radio talking heads?

    The best strategy is to attack one's political opponent for the same things you are doing but frame it in such a way that they are the "bad ones". And if that doesn't work, make something up. Do you ever wonder why the comments you make here only resonate with like-minded believers? You say it's the "blind Obama worship", the 47% moocher class, and if anyone had half a brain they would accept your position. Do you not see the illogic in writing off half the population and then blaming the oppositon as dividers?

    We could have a discussion on the failings and faults of both sides in this political drama, but the rigid thinking of movement conservatives will not acknowledge that they may also be at fault. They prefer to simply block out any discussion with the self-rightous attitude that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    Enjoy the next 4 years Don!

    The world is a wonderful and beautiful place.

    I suggest you go outside and get rid of your cranky mood.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    Ok liberals, so far you claim that Obama is not a divider.

    If Obama is so wonderful, and everything is the fault of the Republicans, explain the following articles that all point to Obama as the polarizing figure:

    "Obama: The most polarizing president. Ever. " Washington Post

    "Gallup: Views of Obama are polarized" USA Today

    "Obama bemoans polarized politics, then adds to it" Washington Post

    "Obama Presidency Still Polarizing, Bipartisanship Still Dead" Outside the beltway

    "Obama's Approval Ratings More Polarized in Year 2 Than Year 1" Gallup

    If Obama is such a uniter, why do the polls all point to him being a polarizing figure?

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    Every election in the last few decades comes down to 10%. This is no different.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    I don't think Don and the rest of his ilk are recognizing the real problem.

    Stop ignoring the elephant in the room.

    Your ideals just aren't popular anymore.

    How many more elections do you folks need to lose?

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    Obviously, history all depends on where you are standing at the time, and the color of the lens in your glasses.

    Hate is like writing on a persons character with an indelible pencil. And it seems like it has always been the preferred political weapon of the conservative group. However since the best defense against hate is thought to be hate itself, it’s use is not confined to conservatives.

    President Obama’s policies are not much different than if he has been a republican president. Obamacare was mainly a republican creation. It and other policies favored business interests more than people. Faced with inadequate ammunition from his polices, republicans and conservatives had to fall back onto their main weapon of hate.

    So, President Obama was branded by such things as socialist, communist, tyrant, anti-god, and all sort of other terrible attributes of a boogie man. But underneath all the smoke, was the indelible writing from the previous times.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    "Obama has split the Nation"


    It is the talk show hosts who have done that, and his being black has made their efforts more successful.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    I thought speaking ill of a President during wartime was treasonous? At least, that's what folks like Don were telling me just a few years back. Ha ha ha!

    If unity was really Don's priority then Obama was clearly the best option! Mitt Romney lost the popular vote so even fewer people liked him!

    If unity was a priority for Don, why did he vote for Bush for 2 terms? I can't think of a more offensive and divisive President in recent times. So Bush was really defending us against Iraq? Because Iraq had such a great military and couldn't wait to bomb Pearl Harbor or something???

    How do you know that Obamacare isn't God-inspired?

    It was created by conservatives (Heritage Foundation), sponsored by repubs (Orrin Hatch), and implemented into law by a repub governor (Mitt Romney).

    Sounds to me that repubs might need to come to the realization that their baby (Obamacare) might be God-inspired. They were the ones that came up with it. Obama just signed it into law. But it was repubs who created it.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    The spirit of divisiveness has come from the president and the democrats in congress. In the first 2 years of Obama's presidency, the republicans were not permitted to even attend the meetings crafting the unaffordable health care act, or much of any legislation. No republican input, no voice, no respect. Total divide, by Demos.

    Then there is the constant class warfare drumbeat, with a shadow racial implication, coming from the president himself. His unity speeches are purely hypocritical. He is the ultimate divider. All the blind Obama worship doesn't change the real facts. And while you are nodding your head at his every word, realize that uniting barely half the country is not unity. It is dividing the country in half.

    Divide and conquer has been the Democrat strategy, with the president leading the way. Just look at how inflammatory the comments of his followers. Rude, disrespectful, insulting beyond belief. It comes from the top down.

    Sadly, divide and conquer has been effective, of course having the backing of most the media has helped. All those who work, or wish to work, will pay the price for it.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    Are they going to deport me fo excercising my 1st amendment? Are they going to deport me for not wanting to live in slavery? Are they going to deport me for not wanting the Drug war? Are they going to deport me for wanting a non-partisan government? Do they want to deport me for not wantin to live under the NDAA? Do they want to deport me for not wanting to lived under the foreign special interest two-party authoritarian oligarchy?

    Of course this country is broke so when I think of deportation, I think of the nazi form of deportation. Let them do their worse? If they want to put me to death for being an intellectual revolutionary, let them. Like obi-wan kenobi says, "If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    Hey, when I was a kid, we made our annual visit to Utah to visit relatives, and stopped at the Truman library on the way. When my grandmother found out, she refused to feed us. She had this whole spread laid out on the table; it got packed up and put in the fridge, and we had to go to a local restaurant instead. So yeah, some people take politics real seriously.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    This election was not fair at all. If it was, the Green party candidate wouldn't have been arrested just for showing up wanting to excercise her right to debate these two corporate tyrants. She was arrested twice and detained for 8 hours each time for just wanting to debate Obama and Romney.

    I am so sick of the mass media playing their race card to stiffle dissent. Literally any form of dissent is considered "racist" just fill in the blank and it's considered "racist" You know, what, I'm totally fearless, They can bury me in their pathetic race card. Thats all these tyrants can do. I know plenty of black people that think Obama and Romney are full of it. When they play their race card they will have nothing else left. They can take me to their FEMA camps and do whatever they like, it will just make me and people like me a martyr.

    I laugh at those who compare wanting to be independent to being apostate. I don't want to be dependant on the government my entire life. I want a future and I don't want America to be Hitlers dreamland.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 10:05 a.m.


    Sure, Dems wanted Bush to be a one-term President. The difference though, is that they didn't sabotage every little thing that Bush tried to do. They actually cooperated with him. The Republicans made ousting Obama in 4 years their number one priority instead of working on an economic recovery.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 9:54 a.m.

    Every single bill, proposal, and step forward proposed by the dems the last 4 years was unanimously and unceremoniously dismissed out of hand by the GOP.

    "Party first, honor second" should be on the top of their letterhead.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 16, 2012 9:53 a.m.


    Of course both political parties want to win the presidency.

    There are however, different ways to go about it.

    If it becomes your NUMBER ONE GOAL, as stated by Mitch Mcconnell, then it is a greater priority than doing good work for the country. By definition, doing what is best for the county had to take a lesser priority.

    See the difference?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 9:38 a.m.

    Did Democrats not want to make Bush a one term president also? So how is it that you are more of a victim of Republicans now?

    You blame Republicans for not "getting the terrorists" while excusing Obama for obfuscating that it even was terrorists.

    That, sir, is NOT the arguments of a MODERATE; they are merely the apologist excuses of a left-wing partisan

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Nov. 16, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    Don's letter should somehow be preserved for future generations, but not because it was a great letter. What it shows us (and future historians) is the level of truculence that has been grafted by vampire AM radio and Tea Party know nothings onto what HAD been an admirable entity - The Republican Party.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    Gotta blame the Republicans on the division, who vowed to make sure Obama failed.

    Libya is an excellent example. Terrorists attacked American citizens. How do the Republicans react? Do they join the nation in getting the terrorists? No, they are working hard to get the administration. What have they come up with so far? Outrage (outrage!!) that the administration went public with the unclassified assessment (outrage over a film) instead of the classified assessment (terrorist attack).

    That's it? Republicans think the administration should release classified material in the press releases? Its just political bluster, and it emboldens the terrorists.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:39 a.m.

    FDR and Lincoln were both despised by a significant portion of the American population.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    Welcome to the new norm

    Further divisiveness as evidenced by BO's consistent class warfare and the first 8 comments.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    "The Election made me wonder how we could arrive at another four years of an Obama Administration."

    I'll explain.

    H was up against Mitt Romney.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 16, 2012 7:42 a.m.

    Oh my..should anyone wonder why the Republican brand has lost it's appeal nationaly, and hasn't been able to reach the 50% mark in 5 of the last 6 Presidential elections..I would suggest they read this bubble letter.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    Don, let's be honest and admit that your perception is that if your guy is in office things are always rosy because you look the other way. If it's the other guy then every pimple blows up under a microscope. I'm sorry but the divisiveness is caused intentionally by not the leader but by the followers, especially in this case.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 7:26 a.m.

    We are a nation of diverse ideas. There will never be 100% agreement on anything.

    Obama's re-election victory was achieved with a larger margin of the popular vote than Bush's re-election in 2004.

    Doesn't that mean that President Bush splintered the nation more than Obama?

    But this is silly.

    Obama won and had significantly more than 50% of the popular vote, and turnout was high. His election is based with an honest majority of voters, not a plurality. He is the president, and in spite of conservative fringe fantasies, he's politically very moderate.

    There's important work to be done. Quit whining and start helping.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Nov. 16, 2012 6:33 a.m.

    "Obama proceeded to fundamentally change America by forcing medical care upon U.S. citizens and overruled constitutional laws by his executive orders, etc."

    Yes Don. Obama did champion a Republican Health Care Idea and put it into law (much as Mitt Romney did for Mass)

    And Yes Don, Obama has used "executive orders". (however, at a slower clip that any of his recent Republican counterparts.)

    Consistency Don, that's all I ask for.

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 6:12 a.m.

    "Previous presidents strengthened the U.S. and united it..."

    Richard Nixon and Watergate did not. President Kennedy was very unpopular with many folks in 1961. The election of Abraham Lincoln, from the Southern slave state point of view, forced them to do what they did.

    "...the Constitution, the greatest God-inspired civil document;"

    Under the original Constitution Black Americans would only counted as 60% of a person today. Using the original Constitution and also the Bill of Rights, slavery existed for over 70 years. The Constitution allowed for drastically needed improvements through Amendments. That was indeed inspired.

    "Wilson and Roosevelt protected the U.S. from foreign aggressors;".

    But according to many unhappy citizens today, they started this whole “Socialist” mess we are in today.

    “Obama proceeded to fundamentally change America by forcing medical care upon U.S. Citizens...”

    Medicare was passed by the Congress and signed by President Johnson in 1965. In 1972 it expanded to cover youths with disabilities. In 2001 and 2003 Congress expanded Medicare further. 1965 was 47 years ago and the President was about 4 years old then.

    All citizens “...need to continue to abide by the Constitution...”.


  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 2:51 a.m.

    Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

    More noise from the wingnut fringe. We already know the drill. Must we put up with this nonsense for another four years?

    And who, pray tell, would bring us all together? That guy was defeated after writing off 47% of the population. But then, the conservative extremists never were very concerned about anyone remotely different from themselves. They talk of "moochers" and "illegals" and "women who can't remember their place" and young people who want "gifts from the government". Not very inclusive.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 16, 2012 1:53 a.m.

    While you're naming presidential accomplishments and unification, you may have forgotten some. How about Nixon leaving the White House in disgrace splintering the country with Vietnam and Watergate? What about Clinton balancing the federal budget? What about Thomas Jefferson acquiring the Louisiana Purchase and doubling the size of the country? What about Hoover overseing the greatest economic collapse in US history splintering the country into haves and have nots with 25% unemployment? What about Buchanan who was President when the rebels seceded at Ft. Sumter? What about Theodore Roosevelt who used the Antiquities Act to lock up vast tracts of land dividing the people of the west?

    You provided such a subjective list, that I thought I'd add to it.

    BTW, you look at the Bushes as squelching aggression. While maybe true for Bush I, Bush II was far from the benevolent liberator.