Soften the political rhetoric in the GOP

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    To "Truthseeker" yet even with all that he gave, he still does not do as LDS liberal claims. Soros is still worth $19 billion, and does not share all of his wealth with others. That is the point, it isn't that he doesn't give any, but that LDS liberal claims that liberals want to "have all things in common". With Soros' net worth of $19 billion, he obviously doesn't want to share everything in common with the rest of us. The same can be said for Buffett or Bill Gates.

    If they want to share everything in common, why do they retain so much of their wealth. Just pledging to give it away once you are dead is not the same. Nor is giving it to charity because they are not sharing everything with everybody. Now, if they were to give all their money to the government, except what they need for basic living expenses, then I would say they want to "have all things in common" with the rest of us.

  • Paul in MD Montgomery Village, MD
    Nov. 14, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    Roland, TANF does not account for everything that people consider "welfare" spending. I don't have time to do the research again, but "welfare" spending is a much bigger piece of the Federal budget than 0.5%.

    Rhetoric, demagoguery, anger, distortion, etc, are rampant on both sides of the political spectrum, and have been for quite some time. The problems we face as a nation weren't created in just the last one or two presidential terms. They have been in the making for decades.

    The biggest problem we now face is too many voters want their representatives to be completely inflexible on particular issues. That leads to gridlock, meaning nothing gets done. Reagan said it's better to get 80% of what you want than 100% of nothing. Well, since voters are punishing representatives when they try to compromise to get something, most representatives are becoming hard-liners, which means we are all getting 100% of nothing.

    Want change? Write your representatives and tell them you'll support them if they get something done you like, then back that up with your vote. Otherwise, all we get is posturing and finger-pointing. From both sides.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Nov. 14, 2012 1:46 a.m.

    Well, some of these movement conservatives just like having their anger. If they didn't have Obama's victory to be angry about, they would not have meaning in their lives. The idea of commonality is foreign. They yearn for that world that existed only in their mind, that America than never was. It's as real to them as their memories of childhood untouched by reality.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 13, 2012 10:09 p.m.


    Between 1979 and 2011, Soros gave away over $8 billion to human rights, public health, and education causes.

    Warren Buffett is continuing to make good on his promise to donate most of his $44.1 billion to charity.

    The third richest person in the world gave about 18.4 million of his company’s Class B shares, valued at $1.52 billion, to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Bloomberg Businessweek reported Saturday, June 10, 2012.

    (Utah--with its low cost of living--ranks in the top 15 for personal bankruptcy filings).

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 9:00 p.m.

    J. Thompson, you've made a lot of claims with nothing to back them up.

    How about showing us some numbers?

    Some kind of solid data that will back up your foolish claims that the President spends his time playing instead of working.

    You can't. So isn't that lying?

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Nov. 13, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    So you're reduced to whining about Obama playing golf once a week. Sort of says it all, doesn't it?

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 6:23 p.m.

    Speaking as a liberal, let me offer my opinion about what Republicans should do in the next election:
    Don't change a thing.
    Really, that would be awesome.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 5:10 p.m.

    J Thompson

    Should I believe that you work 60+ hours a week when you've already shown you're comfortable lying about other stats in order to bolster your argument? Should anyone reading any of your posts attribute any truth to them going forward?

    When you can show an objective comparison across presidents regarding travel budgets, time spent on recreation, time spent working at a desk, etc, then you might convince someone that you truly care about those details. When you pontificate about those things only in the context of President Obama, and lie to inflate the impact, then it's just Rhetoric.

    I'd wager by your actions you work in Multi Level Marketing.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 4:32 p.m.


    You've proven nothing.

    How many hours do you work each week? I work 60+ hours with almost no time off for anything.

    How many hours does Obama work IN THE WHITE HOUSE each week? One hour? Two hours? Does anyone know? Where is that information located. We know that he flies around the country. We know that he talks to people who like "rock stars". We know that he plays golf. We know that he plays cards while he's flying around the country, but do you have an evidence that he works in the White House?

    Why is it so hard to find out exactly how many hours he has worked for us as our President while sitting behind the desk, doing the job that we elected him to do?

    Who is "filtering that information?

    Who is trying to tell us that a week on vacation is the same as a week working?

    Who is trying to tell us that spending $450,000 a year on salary has not been a total waste of tax payer money?

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    J Thompson

    3 strikes and your out.

    I tried to give you a chance to redeem yourself and recognize why your posts have no credibility with anyone but yourself. Even with examples, supported by facts and presented in a straight bullet list, you missed the point.

    So here's the cliff notes version.

    You exaggerated by quadruple the amount of golf played by obama in order to make some meaningless point. When you lie in a post to exaggerate your position, people question your credibility.

    You exaggerated by more than double the number of welfare recipients in order to make another meaningless point. When you lie twice in the same post to exaggerate your position, people realize you are comfortable lying when it suits your needs.

    When you refuse to acknowledge that you are exaggerating(lying), even when blatantly caught doing so, your credibility is completely vacated.

    Reasonable people want facts, you provide rhetoric. Your posts serve only for entertainment.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 4:02 p.m.

    Your hero Bush spent more time on his Texas ranch than he did in the White House.

  • L White Springville, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:45 p.m.


    We all love vacations. We look forward to our one-week vacation from work. We all look forward to going somewhere different and spoiling ourselves for a few days. Most of us don't mind spending a few dollars more than we spend at McDonalds for our meals on vacation.

    None of us get free transportation via Air Force One. None of us get a second airplane to fly us to our vacation spot because we can't wait for two hours to ride on Air Force One. None of us get a government paid meal of $150 for a salad while we're on vacation.

    That's what's wrong with this administration. They think that we're slaves who will pay for their "playing". They've listened to "Paster Wright" for too many years. They have no understanding of what it means to be an American.

  • L White Springville, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    Look at those who excuse a "President" who "plays" instead of working. We hired Obama to WORK. He "plays" golf or he bowls or he plays card games as he flies around the world. Those activities are well documented. He cares nothing about helping us. All he cares about is holding his office.

    America chose him to play golf and to bowl for four more years.

    What have we become?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" exactly. Just look at the damage that the liberals have caused.

    They started offensive wars throughout the world.

    The pride that comes out of the liberal cities is incredible. Just look at the pride of the Holloywood types or the NY liberals that look down on anybody who isn't just like them.

    Look at who cares about the costly apparel. It is the liberals who care. From the poor liberals in the urban areas paying $200 for a pair of shoes, to the uber wealthy that typically go to the the high end fashion events.

    Liberals are also the ones that worship money. They think money will solve our problems. Just look at how they handle anything. They think you can spend your way out of a problem.

    Liberals belive that everyone under them should have things in common. Just look at George Sorros or Warren Buffett, neither one of them is giving all they can to the poor.

    Look at the contention that Liberals spread. We been hearing for over 4 years now that the wealthy people have "stolen" money from the poor, and that the wealthy do not pay their "fair share". Liberas spread hate.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Nov. 13, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    J Thompson,

    Seriously, every president gets hammered from the other side for their vacation habits. From Ike and golf, to Carter and Camp David, to Reagan and brush clearing, they all catch flak. Had Romney gotten the nod, I am sure he would catch flak too.

    It's an incredibly tough job. No matter what you or I may think of the job any particular president is doing, having the guy who has his hand on the button well rested and clear minded is a worthy goal.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    Don't even start to excuse Obama from diverting his hours from the White House to "sports".

    You'll loose - and you'll lose big time.

    Between his "golf games", his "bowling", his "basketball", and his "card games", Obama has shown nothing but distain for America. He travels the world in search for "fun" while 23,000,000 Americans can't pay their mortgage. What a contradiction on what he "says" and what he "does".

    Look at his record.

    Look at his agenda.

    America hangs in the balance while he plays "golf".]

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT
    Lets remember what happened to those cities that put aside their traditional Christian values.
    •12:47 p.m. Nov. 13, 2012

    You mean like;
    shunning the poor and the needy, the sick the needy, the elderly, ect.
    starting OFFENSIVE wars,
    pridefully lifting themselves one above the other,
    worshipping gold, silver, and dressing in costly apparel,
    abandoning “having all things in common” in lieu of everyman for himself…
    reveling in war, arguments and daily contention – even amongst themselves?

    If you are referring to cities like that and Christian values like these then yes –
    That’s why I’m against what Republicans value.
    It’s also why you lost…

    Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck – they lost the election for the GOP.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 2:05 p.m.

    People. Look to see how many "likes" your posts get. If there is only one, you did it yourself.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 2:02 p.m.

    I would suggest a few more. Stop calling patriotic Democrats, "Socialists," "Communists" or "Fascists." Discontinue claiming there are "death panels" and that Obama-Romney Care is "socialized medicine" (It is NOT. It is still to be run through private insurance companies. It is our special brand and much different than health care in Canada, Great Britain or France.). Drop the use of phrases like, "the gay agenda," "activist judges" and "federal overreach." It seems the Republican Party has become a sound-bite machine, with constant repeating of cliches. They should still express opposition, but do it with rational arguments instead always playing the fear card with scary words and phrases.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 1:49 p.m.

    J Thompson

    Two swings, two misses. Perhaps 3's a charm?

    Your hyperbole..."They don't want 100 or more days on the golf course per year."

    The facts...Obama has golfed about 100 times over his entire 4 year term, or 25 per year, or one weekend a month. No one except your ilk sees that as unacceptable, especially in comparison to the days off take by his predecessors.

    Your hyperbole..."Maybe he'll find a way to get the 110,000,000 Americans off welfare"

    The facts...from the US HHS statistics dated Oct 12th, 2012. Total on welfare = 4.6Mil, Total on food stamps 46.7Mil. Yes, those numbers should be addressed, but they are not unreasonable considering the economy's decline. Reasonable people get that, and they don't have to inflate the numbers by double in their posts in order to justify their false outrage.

    Rhetoric vs facts? Here's two prime examples of the difference. Sadly these examples run rampant in your posts and in the GOP talking points. Exactly the point of the original letter.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 12:47 p.m.

    When I read articles like this, where liberals are telling conservatives how to act or what they should have done if they wanted to win, it reminds me of the following scripture in 3 Nephi 3:5-8 "5 Therefore I have written this epistle, sealing it with mine own hand, feeling for your welfare, because of your firmness in that which ye believe to be right, and your noble spirit in the field of battle.

    6 Therefore I write unto you, desiring that ye would yield up unto this my people, your cities, your lands, and your possessions, rather than that they should visit you with the sword and that destruction should come upon you.

    7 Or in other words, yield yourselves up unto us, and unite with us and become acquainted with our secret works, and become our brethren that ye may be like unto us—not our slaves, but our brethren and partners of all our substance."

    We have the conservatives wanting to promote traditional Christian values, and the liberals telling us to put aside those values and join them. Lets remember what happened to those cities that put aside their traditional Christian values.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    Official duties for the First Lady to travel to her vacation spot two hour before the President travels to that same spot, and they use TWO AIRPLANES for that trip?

    Get a grip. The Obamas have shown us nothing but contempt for the money that we pay them for their "vacations".

    No President has shown such utter contempt for the people and for the funds paid by the people than Obama. He spends his time on the golf course or bowling to perfect "his game" at the expense of Americans who are out of work.

    You can try to hide the "facts", but the FACTS tell us that Obama played while America suffered. Obama's family ate $150 lunches while America starved. Obama promised jobs to Americans. Where are those jobs? Are we all to serve as Obama's caddy?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    The hate-based left slandered anyone who disagreed with Obama (or used words like Chicago or food stamp, or thought George Zimmerman deserved a fair trail) as being racist
    Obama excused some from obeying immigration law, to pander for votes
    Obama bought the promiscuous co-ed contingent by promising free abortion pills paid for by the local diocese
    Obama claimed that taxing the rich, who already dis-proportionally pay more taxes, will solve the problems of the %49 of the population that doesn't pay taxes

    The GOP doesn't need to soften their rhetoric; they need to confront - head-on - the race, gender and class warfare of the intolerant left even more vigorously; because hate is still hate - especially when it is trendy hate

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    @ Mike Richards 8:18 a.m. Nov. 13, 2012

    So? The conservative right should have a monopoly on the "do as I say not as I do" mentality?

    Isn't that their MO already?

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 12:13 p.m.

    J Thompson,
    You are getting your party's message confused, aren't you? 110 million on some kind of government assistance and "all they want is to be able to pay their bills"? Your own presidential candidate said these people "believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives".

    So which is it? These are honest Americans trying to find work in an economy Obama messed up for them, or these are moochers who Obama has enabled to live parasitically off the rest of us? Keep it straight, man. If you are going to ignorantly blame someone for all our ills you need to keep your message consistent.

    Your attack of Obama traveling in government jets and using vacation time shows how thin your position is. Every president travels for official duties and campaigning. If Romney had won, he would too, so don't delude yourself. And GW Bush still holds the record for vacation time in office. He spent 1020 days on vacation, nearly 3 of his 8 years!

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    J Thompson

    You post a pile of GOP rhetoric in the comments section of an article about reducing GOP rhetoric? If you ever venture into a spot where you're curious why Obama was re-elected, look no further than yourself.

    If your arguments against Obama can't stand on their own without hyperbole...If they can't legitimately show Obama deficiencies versus predecessors...then your arguments are the output of opinion and are completely baseless. Instead, these message boards for you are nothing more than another place to forward the chain emails you receive. Emails you receive, consume as fact, and forward without ever bothering to research whether they contain facts.

    Whether you want to hear it or not, the common thread in all your problems is you.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    As far as rhetoric from the GOP goes I can only quote the last words of Rhet Butler from "Gone with the Wind". It's not the rhetoric I'm concerned with since we all know a wackadoodle when we see one, it's the obstruction by hypocrites, that put us down this pathway, that has me concerned.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    @Mike Richards
    "How will he create jobs? "

    Well he's got a jobs bill that he gave an evening speech about in 2011. I think it's residing in Boehner's trash can. (Not sure why nobody has emptied that can yet).

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:36 a.m.

    Finally, yes turn off and down Hannity and Limbaugh who lead the last two debacles.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    Over 110,000,000 Americans are now receiving some form of government welfare, according to Senator Sessions. Spending on food stamps will reach $800 billion within a decade. Medicaid increased from 34 million to 54 million from 2000 to 2010.

    Millions of Americans are hurting. They are looking to Obama for jobs. All they want is to be able to pay their bills. They don't want exotic vacations with two government paid jets flying two hours apart to take them somewhere. They don't want 100 or more days on the golf course per year. They just want to be able to pay their bills.

    Obama has had four years and all he has done during that four years was to campaign. Well, he can't run for President again, so maybe he'll find a day or two to spend in the White House to work at the temp job that we gave him. Maybe he'll find a way to help the 23,000,000 who are out of work. Maybe he'll find a way to get the 110,000,000 Americans off welfare - without throwing them under the bus.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:03 a.m.


    To claim victory, the Democrats wisely appealed to the unlearned idealism of the young, the self-interest and ignorance of the immigrant, a fictitious war on women, the dependency of those who rely on government for their daily subsistence, and those whose ideals and priorities lie in social issues rather than economic issues.

    It is, and will continue to be the classes of people that the Democratic party will continue to pander to. As their numbers increase, which they will (except for the millennials, they will soon be working for a living and paying for what they voted for. Nothing changes a person's mind faster than having to actually pay for their choices!) there will always be the division between the makers and the takers.

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    Barack Obama - 62,281,602 Popular Votes (51.4%)

    Mitt Romney - 58,900,448 Popular Votes (48.6%)

    TOTALS VOTES - 12,118050 for the two of them

    A 3 point spread. I would not call that a landslide for President Obama.

    So for those of you that believe you have to change the GOP's message I would disagree.

    The GOP needs to do a better job of educating and informing. The GOP needs to do a better job of teaching our American Heritage.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    Americans obviously don't want things fixed. They re-elected Obama. They apparently want more of the same.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    Mike Richards: The budget for welfare today is exactly the same as it was when Obama entered office. I'm sure you won't believe me so look it up. The official name of welfare is TANF (Temporary Aid for Needy Families). The budget for TANF is 16.5 billion, the same as it was when Obama entered office, not even an increase for inflation or population growth. Whoever told you that "Obama put millions on welfare" lied to you.

    Also, the TANF budget only accounts for about 1/2 of 1% of federal spending.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    What was said : "Soften the Political Rhetoric in the GOP"
    What was NOT said: "but KEEP the Political Rhetoric in the GOP".

    Prepare to loose even more elections...

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 9:13 a.m.

    As I compare two posters here, Twin Lights and Mike Richards, both conservative. One is willing to make progress, the other stands steadfast, not budging.
    I find myself agreeing with Twin Lights. I'm not fully conservative, but I'm not fully liberal either. I need moderation. I needed a 3rd party to chime in and keep the other two straight.
    Most of us dont' want to be angry all the time. And we don't want to be led by extremists. Looks like most of the country agreed with that by the results of last election.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    @ Mav...

    What the Democrats are doing is being IN clusive, not EX clusive.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    When appealing to the lowest common denominator, you need to get pretty low. Hence faux news and AM radio exists. A certain percentage of people need to believe in a boogy man and conspiracy theories, otherwise they won't know what to be afraid of.
    Meanwhile life goes on for the rest of us and their fears never actually become reality.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    This letter brought up some great points.

    "Focus on the problems and find solutions."

    Exactly! We've all been waiting for years for the GOP to finally do this. Instead, they're too busy talking about rape, Libya, birth certificates, and Big Bird. How many economic plans could have been created with just half the time and energy spent ranting about Obama's birth certificate or college transcribes?

    Yet, the GOP hasn't changed yet. They are still merely posting rhetoric and not offering solutions.

    "Americans are sick of old and tired rhetoric. They want things fixed."

    Which is exactly why Obama was reelected.

    "Isn't it interesting that the liberal left wants to dictate to the conservative right how the right should think and how the right should present itself."

    Isn't it interesting that the wacky right for years has been describing what the left thinks? Despite never actually doing research?

    Here's a tip, the Democrats are winning politically. It might be worth it to research what they're doing right.

    Jeez, no wonder why the GOP is so out of touch with this country!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 8:29 a.m.

    Mike Richards said: "The Democrats won the White House. Let's see them put Americans back to work."

    Romney Said he would need 10 years, so how many days are you going to give Obama?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    Isn't it interesting that the liberal left wants to dictate to the conservative right how the right should think and how the right should present itself.

    The liberal left has enough to worry about. Now they have to explain how the most liberal President ever elected will provide jobs for 23,000,000 Americans. He put millions on welfare during his first term. What will he do differently this time? How will he create jobs? What will he change about his policies?

    The Democrats won the White House. Let's see them put Americans back to work.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 8:05 a.m.

    So...essentially you want the GOP to lie to voters? That is the nucleus of your argument. Don't change what you believe, just don't tell other people what that is. Or at least sugar-coat it so it sounds far less offensive. And then put those beliefs into legislation once you are elected and it is too late for the voters to do anything about it.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Nov. 13, 2012 7:48 a.m.

    I think it will require more than just a change in tone but a tonal shift would be helpful. The concept of "all anger all the time" is not working (and shouldn't work). Cool thoughtfulness and a spirit of at least some bipartisanship should rule the day.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    The GOP needs to re-tool floor-to-ceiling, wall-to-wall.
    If they don't, they wont see a Republican president for eons.
    Romney's campaign was very poorly handled.

    He tried to appeal solely to your grandfather's GOP demographic, and not only did he ignore, but ticked off women, retirees, gays, straights, students, immigrants, auto workers, small businesses, medium-sized businesses, the businesses he crumbled, his home state, his other home state, his veep's home state, lots of other states, unions, civil unions, the elderly, the young, single parents, teachers......A very comprehensive botching of the business of a campaign.
    Romney has no business anywhere near the White House, and the intelligent voters of this nation saw through his smokescreens and salesmanship.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 7:33 a.m.

    To thine own self be true...

    If you are a duck, you should walk and quack like a duck. That way, people who want to vote for a goose know that you're a duck and won't inadvertently vote for a duck.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    Right. The GOP just needs to learn to lie even more sneakily.

  • Christian 24-7 Murray, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 7:27 a.m.


    Talk about picking carefully what evidence you present!

    "Both sides are partisan, but Rachel, and Chris, have their charts and graphs, the AM crowd have their over the top fear,..."

    So exactly how does one show a chart on the radio? Seems like a very unfair comparison.

    If you like charts so much, how about one showing 23 million unemployed? I can make a chart to say anything you like, or don't like.

    By the way, referring to the radio shows as AM is demagogic, inferring it is cheap and low quality. I guess the left does it too. (It is on FM also, by the way)

    Hooray for all those who prove daily in these comments that Obamaphones are alive and well in Utah!

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 7:12 a.m.

    Jon Huntsman's positions on the issues were generally quite conservative. The reason he didn't catch on with the Republican primary electorate was because he sounded too reasonable and to nice. They wanted anger.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Nov. 13, 2012 6:57 a.m.

    Ben, you just don't get it. Hyperbole is what conservatives have become! Do a simple test, watch MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, or Chris Hayes, for 10 minutes, and then turn on ANY of the AM radio conservatives for 10 minutes, and see what you find.

    Both sides are partisan, but Rachel, and Chris, have their charts and graphs, the AM crowd have their over the top fear, and hysteria.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2012 6:17 a.m.

    Call a spade a spade. Rhetoric is the effective use of language. Demogoguery is the use of language to inflamce passions and prejudices. I think politicians (both sides) are prone to demogoguery rather than rhetoric. Voters need to be aware of the difference and not be influenced by demogoguery.